Let's Make a Sale!

[bosoxmal]

Is DD going ro put up with Chris Sale the rest of the year> How much more do we have to see?

 

Trade him, sell him. He'll keep drag us down otherwise. At his cery best, he's a 5 inning pitcher. We need better than that.

[jacksonianmarch]

He is not tradeable with 5 yrs and $145 mil coming up

[Jasonbay44]

Sale is still good, he's going through a rough patch, but overall, he's still be good this season. Not the elite Chris Sale were used too, but still solid. Selling low on him, especially in a pennant race, is dumb.

[a700hitter]

Sale is still good, he's going through a rough patch, but overall, he's still be good this season. Not the elite Chris Sale were used too, but still solid. Selling low on him, especially in a pennant race, is dumb.

It would be idiocy.

[iortiz]

Sell Sale?

 

Geez! Boy, are you f***ing serious? LOL!

 

Who do you going to replace with? I’ll wait.

 

While Sale has not been sharp this season, he’s been solid. He just need to make some adjustments ala Price to retake his form moving forward. He’s going to be oks.

[Noles_1335]

The s***** pitch sequence that Douchebag Leon is calling is killing him too... while I’m bitching here, JBJ is terrible. Yeah, he makes a good grab here and there but it’s not enough to call him all world and make it that we have to keep him in the lineup!

[bosoxmal]

Another 5 rn 5 inning game. What's his record now. What sense is there in carrying a liability on the roster? Try him in the pen, last resort, and maybe he''ll discover somethingwhile pitching in lost game

 

Marco is a major league player and belongs on a major league roster.

[fxkatt]

NO SALE: no buyer either. And you can't use a 150 million dollar pitcher in relief. We either assume that he'll adjust and be ok, or we're once again, in deep trouble with a bad contract... one that hasn't even begun yet.

[notin]

He is not tradeable with 5 yrs and $145 mil coming up

 

Oh please.

 

Only if you believe that this season is the beginning of the end, something many (me included) thought was true of Verlander back in 2015.

 

And even if it is, can you at least pretend you remember a few bigger contracts that were traded?

 

If Robinson Cano can be traded, who can’t be?

[notin]

This thread is sad.

 

10 days ago, the consensus was the Tampa and NY Series were “make or break” for the season. Anything less than 5-2 and it was time to scuttle and salvage.

 

The Sox went 5-2. Exactly as many felt they needed to.

 

But despite that success, it’s “Sale sucks!!” and “Bradley sucks!” And time to sell sell sell!

 

Even when people get what they want...

[iortiz]

Oh please.

 

Only if you believe that this season is the beginning of the end, something many (me included) thought was true of Verlander back in 2015.

 

And even if it is, can you at least pretend you remember a few bigger contracts that were traded?

 

If Robinson Cano can be traded, who can’t be?

 

The same happened with Price, Hammels, Lester, etc. in their mid-career.

 

He will make the adjustments and be oks.

[notin]

The same happened with Price, Hammels, Lester, etc. in their mid-career.

 

He will make the adjustments and be oks.

 

As long as he isn’t old or injured, he’ll be fine.

 

Maybe he won’t be as elite as he once was, but he’ll be fine...

[redsoxrules]

By his standards yes it's been a bad year for him but he's also been very unlucky this year in terms of ball batted in play.

[TylerD]

Knock it off with this thread. He is having one bad season...... that's the problem with fans now days, ready to give up on a guy after one single down season. Glad the Patriots didn't give up on Tom Brady after the 05 season where he had a bit of a down year. Chris Sale was very good his last 2 starts coming into lastnight and we knew the Yankees would bring everything they had to the table as it's nearly impossible to sweep a team that good. It's not like Chris Sale has an ERA of 5.50 or something. Coming into last night it just was a shade over 3.99. Has he been good this year?? No he hasn't but that doesn't mean you get rid of him. I wonder if Detroit fans thought this about Verlander in 2014 when he had an ERA of 4.65 or something. Calm down people, Sale will be fine. He has had some very good starts this year and some very bad starts. He will work his ass off to be better next season.

[TylerD]

By his standards yes it's been a bad year for him but he's also been very unlucky this year in terms of ball batted in play.

 

The trouble is now that every bad start he has will be magnified. 2 quality starts before this and not much was said, but not a great game against the number 2 offense in baseball and some want him gone lmao. Comical. Chris Sale statistically has never done that well against the yankees (if I recall, going off my head here) so last night wasn't super unusual.

[dannycater]

The comment by him that he is glad his next start is v. the Yankees is met by this response...he might be glad, I sure as heck is not. Yes, he is having a bad season, but I'm sorry you can't defend him when the team is on a high with 3 big wins in a row and a chance to really make a dent in the standings by having your supposed best SP on the hill. Instead it's 2-0, then 4-0, and it's just a real Debbie Clemens Downer. Sale, Pearce, and Eavoldi--s*** show in bad salary. Sad....and Go Sox!!

[dannycater]

The trouble is now that every bad start he has will be magnified. 2 quality starts before this and not much was said, but not a great game against the number 2 offense in baseball and some want him gone lmao. Comical. Chris Sale statistically has never done that well against the yankees (if I recall, going off my head here) so last night wasn't super unusual.

 

Tyler and rules boy "unlucky"? Are you watching the balls hit off him? When it's in play, he has been giving up rockets. Absolute rockets, bombs. Not a lot of easy outs, certainly not fieldable baseballs.

[kenmeister]

Knock it off with this thread. He is having one bad season...... that's the problem with fans now days, ready to give up on a guy after one single down season. Glad the Patriots didn't give up on Tom Brady after the 05 season where he had a bit of a down year. Chris Sale was very good his last 2 starts coming into lastnight and we knew the Yankees would bring everything they had to the table as it's nearly impossible to sweep a team that good. It's not like Chris Sale has an ERA of 5.50 or something. Coming into last night it just was a shade over 3.99. Has he been good this year?? No he hasn't but that doesn't mean you get rid of him. I wonder if Detroit fans thought this about Verlander in 2014 when he had an ERA of 4.65 or something. Calm down people, Sale will be fine. He has had some very good starts this year and some very bad starts. He will work his ass off to be better next season.

 

Speculate all you want about Verlander comparisons, but I was very surprised the Sox extended him for big money given the half years he's given them to date. This year didn't come out of the blue. Ever since he went on the DL last year, he hasn't been the same.

[TylerD]

Tyler and rules boy "unlucky"? Are you watching the balls hit off him? When it's in play, he has been giving up rockets. Absolute rockets, bombs. Not a lot of easy outs, certainly not fieldable baseballs.

 

And he is still getting a lot of strike outs..... Whether they are "absolute rockets" or not he has still had some very quality starts this year. It's a different Chris Sale than what we are used to, he isn't relying on the super fastball that he once had and guess what.... He doesn't need to because he has a lot of good pitches that work outside of that. His fastball actually was pretty solid last night. his breaking and slider were the ugly ones. It all falls under a bad season. But it's natural for fans to freak out and say "he is past his prime" I had to listen to the same f***ing ******** on the Colts board when Luck wasn't very good in 2016 and then missed the entire 2017 season. When the Colts started 1-5 90 percent of the board wanted ?Luck traded, then they finished 10-6 and Luck is a hero again. Same will be with Sale. If he does this again next season I will be right back here agreeing that something needs to be done but not from ONE bad season. In which isn't even a horrible season. Just not Chris Sale like.

[TylerD]

Speculate all you want about Verlander comparisons, but I was very surprised the Sox extended him for big money given the half years he's given them to date. This year didn't come out of the blue. Ever since he went on the DL last year, he hasn't been the same.

 

not speculating what so ever. A player has one down season, fans overreact and think they know best and want the guy off the team. that's how sport fans are. I however think Sale will rebound. He looked fantastic against the Jays, and looked good against Tampa (granted he threw a lot of pitches) he still went 6 and gave up just the 2 runs. Then he struggles against one of the best offenses in the league and it got to his head so his command started to come undone, see how he does his next start.

[bosoxmal]

"He'll be fine" I've been hearing that since last September. He's a 4 inning pitcher! Rivera was a 2 inning pitcher, and used that way.

 

I've been sayimg it almost all year. TRY HIM AS A CLOSER! Right now we don't need 6-10 starters

[TylerD]

"He'll be fine" I've been hearing that since last September. He's a 4 inning pitcher! Rivera was a 2 inning pitcher, and used that way.

 

I've been sayimg it almost all year. TRY HIM AS A CLOSER! Right now we don't need 6-10 starters

 

No,Workman can close.... People think I am insane and that's fine but Workman is adjusting to the role and doing a damn good job. Give him the role until he messes it up and by that I don't mean he gets us 6 or 7 straight saves and has one bad game so we pull him and try someone else.

[Kimmi]

For those who like advanced stats, Sale's SIERA is 3.07 and his Deserved Run Average (DRA) is 2.65, good enough for 6th best out of all starters with at least 100 IP. Both of these stats are better predictors of future performance than ERA is.

 

As an aside, Matt Barnes ranks #2 in DRA (1.90) out of all pitchers with at least one IP.

[TylerD]

For those who like advanced stats, Sale's SIERA is 3.07 and his Deserved Run Average (DRA) is 2.65, good enough for 6th best out of all starters with at least 100 IP. Both of these stats are better predictors of future performance than ERA is.

 

As an aside, Matt Barnes ranks #2 in DRA (1.90) out of all pitchers with at least one IP.

 

Save your breath Kimmi. Those who want Sale gone want him gone. No stat will change their mind.

[mvp 78]

Some people on here are just plain crazy.

[TylerD]

Some people on here are just plain crazy.

 

I'm noticing that lol.

[Noles_1335]

Sale will be fine.... it's his s***** catcher that we need to get rid of!

[notin]

Save your breath Kimmi. Those who want Sale gone want him gone. No stat will change their mind.

 

But two good starts will.

 

Sometimes those who want a player gone are just venting frustration online. Hey, if an angry post here or there keeps them from kicking a puppy, I can accept it.

 

But the reality is, Sale or not, consensus has the Sox needing to go 5-2 vs TB and NY. We went 5-2. This is a good thing..,

[TylerD]

But two good starts will.

 

Sometimes those who want a player gone are just venting frustration online. Hey, if an angry post here or there keeps them from kicking a puppy, I can accept it.

 

But the reality is, Sale or not, consensus has the Sox needing to go 5-2 vs TB and NY. We went 5-2. This is a good thing..,

 

Well said!

[dannycater]

You guys are missing the point. First, I'm not advocating trade or anything, Sox are stuck with him or glad to have him, however you choose to look at it. But, the point I'm making is he is doing the opposite of what an ace should/could be doing. This game was typical of how he has not been a "Ace." He put the Sox behind and was outpitched by 13-2 German after the 3 previous SPs found a way to keep leads and not fall behind by too much early in the games. He is paid handsomely to help his team win or at least leave games after 6 or 7 IP with a chance to win. Instead, he's left his teams in binds, chasing the score. This has been going on now for way too long. He's a class act off the field (and on), but this is not about saying the right things, taking responsibility. This is about performance. If he performed to even acceptable standards for a high-priced, All-Star arm, the Sox could be 5 games ahead of where they are in the standings. Instead, he's s*** the bed to kill momentum way too often. He's the anti-stopper in this case (stopper means for you youngsters an ace who can stop a bad streak, be the ace of the staff and send the team in the right direction with sterling starts). Here was a chance for Sale to extend the momentum of the feel-good Sox return to playoff contender and instead he is back to being part of the "problem."