The Andrew Benintendi Performance Thread

[moonslav59]

Yes, that's a wee bit of an issue.

 

I'm thinking our offense can absorb his loss, and the return pitcher's benefit would outweigh his loss. If I don't think the return is worth it, then don't trade him.

 

[Bellhorn04]

I'm thinking our offense can absorb his loss, and the return pitcher's benefit would outweigh his loss. If I don't think the return is worth it, then don't trade him.

 

 

What return pitcher exactly?

[notin]

I think he may be the one guy valuable to bring back something of value and greater need.

 

My only issue with trading him is that we only have Holt & JD (maybe Pearce someday) to replace him.

 

Think Benintendi brings back more than Betts?

[TylerD]

I think he may be the one guy valuable to bring back something of value and greater need.

 

My only issue with trading him is that we only have Holt & JD (maybe Pearce someday) to replace him.

 

With a healthy Pearce (if it happens) isn’t too horrible though. Those 3 guys can get it done. Always risky making any trades. Same can be said if we let Porcello go in the rotation.

[moonslav59]

What return pitcher exactly?

 

My guess is we don't have enough to add with Beni to get Scherzer, Bumgarner or Syndergaard, but I'd think about Stroman (1.5 yrs of control), John Means (pre arb), Matthew Boys (3.5 yrs) or maybe Caleb Smith (4.5). I'm no expert on other team's players, but I'd give serious thought to these 4. I'm sure more are out there.

[moonslav59]

Think Benintendi brings back more than Betts?

 

Hard to know. Betts is way more expensive and has less control years.

[TylerD]

My guess is we don't have enough to add with Beni to get Scherzer, Bumgarner or Syndergaard, but I'd think about Stroman (1.5 yrs of control), John Means (pre arb), Matthew Boys (3.5 yrs) or maybe Caleb Smith (4.5). I'm no expert on other team's players, but I'd give serious thought to these 4. I'm sure more are out there.

 

Stroman has been very solid this year. I would love to have him.

[jung]

Think Benintendi brings back more than Betts?

 

Not sure what moon would think, but I don't think Beni brings back what Betts would bring back. Betts is the reigning MVP. There is PR value atop of everything else for bringing in the reigning MVP to play for your team whoever you are. I don't think the two would be comparable. Beni is two years younger and that would help the Sox in a trade involving Beni. By the same token betting on Mookie for at least the term of their control of him is not a terrible bet. Betting on Beni improving significantly from here is IMO a terrible bet as his overall game is simply too deficient. He is not Moncada for example. Not close.

 

I think we are entering a period that will require Sox Baseball Ops to think more like most teams have to think, not because we don't have money but because DD has spent it already and the farm system cupboard is pretty barren. DD has already used that up and I simply do not see Henry being forced to panic mode. He is running an entertainment enterprise now....not a baseball franchise and he has got that pretty well in hand. All Henry has to do is win one of these things once every 8-10 years and he is fine. Still hard to do by the way.

 

I think Henry will continue to allow DD to spend all the way up to the lux tax limit and even allow him to exceed it in selected years. But exceeding will be the exception not the norm.

 

Hence they have to optimize their payroll where and when they can and when glaring holes appear in rosters, if a player is not showing them the kind of advancement they need, if there is a deal out there, make that player not advancing sufficiently somebody else's job to fix.

 

As for Josh Riddick, Christ I probably morned the loss of Riddick more than anybody did and Beni is not Riddick either. This is the first I have heard of having any brothers that morned the loss of Josh Riddick. Are we saying Beni is Riddick's equal in the field or ever will be? Good luck with that one.

 

X and Beni are not comparable either. X is the best player on this team currently. He has been and is the most versatile hitter we have combined with above average fielding and he is now the infield coach on the field to boot. He is second now to only one player in ability to hit whatever is thrown at him and not because X has declined. If anything X has improved in that area. Devers is hitting everything that is thrown at him....breaking balls low and inside, breaking balls low and away, FB over the middle of the plate, FB's at the letters. You name it, he is hitting it.

 

So NOOOOOO, I don't think anybody will be recommending they trade X if he slumps next month. I certainly won't be.

[notin]

Hard to know. Betts is way more expensive and has less control years.

 

I think it’s easy to estimate.

 

Betts will bring back more from a contending team. But Benintendi, due to his salary and years of control, will appeal to every team. They may not give up what the Sox want, but the salary won’t scare them away either...

[moonslav59]

In defense of Beni, before his last 2 games (0-8), he was...

 

.901 in previous 11 games

 

.880 in his previous 19 games

 

.828 in his previous 43 games

 

Counting the last 2 games, he is at .796 the last 45 games and .806 the last 21 games.

 

[Bellhorn04]

In defense of Beni, before his last 2 games (0-8), he was...

 

.901 in previous 11 games

 

.880 in his previous 19 games

 

.828 in his previous 43 games

 

Counting the last 2 games, he is at .796 the last 45 games and .806 the last 21 games.

 

 

He's pretty consistent, actually, as his season-to-season numbers show. And of course he's a few days short of 25.

[a700hitter]

He's pretty consistent, actually, as his season-to-season numbers show. And of course he's a few days short of 25.

Trade him before he declines!

[illinoisredsox]

Stroman has been very solid this year. I would love to have him.

 

I've been listening to the radio play by play lately (Castiglione, etc.). Unlike the TV guys, they aren't sugarcoating things when they are suboptimal.

 

They were talking last night about how Strohman has about worn out his welcome in the Jays clubhouse with his antics (they apparently go well beyond the Eck incident). Talent wise I would want him, but if he's that bad in the clubhouse ...

 

OTOH, maybe he just wants out of a bad situation up in Toronto.

[TylerD]

I've been listening to the radio play by play lately (Castiglione, etc.). Unlike the TV guys, they aren't sugarcoating things when they are suboptimal.

 

They were talking last night about how Strohman has about worn out his welcome in the Jays clubhouse with his antics (they apparently go well beyond the Eck incident). Talent wise I would want him, but if he's that bad in the clubhouse ...

 

OTOH, maybe he just wants out of a bad situation up in Toronto.

 

Ya I would want inside details on what exactly he is doing that is so bad. He has been with that team for 6 seasons now and the Jays just keep going from bad to worse. Finally get things going and go to the playoffs two years in a row and now in full rebuild mode and look horrible. Also people forget the Jays aren't exactly a well known team to rebuild. Making playoffs twice in 25 friggin years doesn't exactly make fans feel all that confident they can do a proper rebuild. If Gurrero is the best they can do they are in a lot of trouble. So I don't blame Stroman what so ever for being upset and maybe wanting out of there. The Jays are a disaster right now even if they are "rebuilding"

[jung]

I've been listening to the radio play by play lately (Castiglione, etc.). Unlike the TV guys, they aren't sugarcoating things when they are suboptimal.

 

They were talking last night about how Strohman has about worn out his welcome in the Jays clubhouse with his antics (they apparently go well beyond the Eck incident). Talent wise I would want him, but if he's that bad in the clubhouse ...

 

OTOH, maybe he just wants out of a bad situation up in Toronto.

 

Stroman??? What do we have that could grab up Stroman from Toronto. I have just argued in the last 24 hours that we could not get Giles out of Toronto. The Jays will hold onto their top movable assets until there are multiple bidders for them. Giles is likely at the top of that list and if they want to move off Stroman he would be right behind him.

 

Worse than that we need pitching help like just about immediately and there is simply no way we have anything that will attract the Jays to move off their top movable assets right now.

[notin]

Stroman??? What do we have that could grab up Stroman from Toronto. I have just argued in the last 24 hours that we could not get Giles out of Toronto. The Jays will hold onto their top movable assets until there are multiple bidders for them. Giles is likely at the top of that list and if they want to move off Stroman he would be right behind him.

 

Worse than that we need pitching help like just about immediately and there is simply no way we have anything that will attract the Jays to move off their top movable assets right now.

 

The Sox aren’t going to be in play for Stroman or Wheeler or Bumgarner or any of the other highly sought after starters unless they do something drastic like trade Benintendi or Chavis...

[dgalehouse]

The Blue Jays are in full tanking mode . They have no use for quality pitchers like Stroman and Giles . Those guys only get in the way of the tanking .

[jung]

The Sox aren’t going to be in play for Stroman or Wheeler or Bumgarner or any of the other highly sought after starters unless they do something drastic like trade Benintendi or Chavis...

 

And they can't trade both because both are playing (if you want to call it that). It would have to be Beni and a bucket of crap to go with him or Chavis and a bigger bucket of crap. Maybe Pearce will be healthy enough to be traded by the deadline. Trade him with Beni and buckets of crap. I didn't want Pearce signed for this year anyway. So get him outta' here. Fine with that. But frankly, I think they need pitching help before any teams will be looking to auction off their top trade prospects and that is what it is going to be, an auction.

[jung]

The Blue Jays are in full tanking mode . They have no use for quality pitchers like Stroman and Giles . Those guys only get in the way of the tanking .

 

 

They would be out of their minds not to wait for multiple offers to develop for those two players.

[moonslav59]

He's pretty consistent, actually, as his season-to-season numbers show. And of course he's a few days short of 25.

 

I'm not sure why I soured on him so quickly.

 

It's not like me.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not sure why I soured on him so quickly.

 

It's not like me.

 

Don't go over to the dark side, man.

[YastrzemskI]

Don't go over to the dark side, man.

 

All hitters have rough patches. It's just baseball. Did you watch the game last night though? He looks like he has just lost his

desire to play the game to me. I'm not saying that you should be jumping for joy after you K but he just looks depressed out there.

The coaching staff needs to get a hold of him and get him back on track mentally. Although, he could shorten up the swing just a tad.

We'll see if his approach changes at all tonight.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Only way you trade Benny is a package for Scherzer but it would cost Casas also .Then maybe you go after Puig or Renfroe ?

[jung]

Only way you trade Benny is a package for Scherzer but it would cost Casas also .Then maybe you go after Puig or Renfroe ?

 

Keep going up....not there yet for Scherzer. If DD thought he wanted Scherzer he should not have extended Sale for one thing.

Edited July 3, 2019 by jung

[Swiharts Ghost]

The Sox aren’t going to be in play for Stroman or Wheeler or Bumgarner or any of the other highly sought after starters unless they do something drastic like trade Benintendi or Chavis...

 

Notin ? Is it the money ? Or the pieces we can offer ? If it's not money we have plenty to get stroman or Scherzer if we wanted .

[vegasbob]

If you could trade Beni for a youngish quality second baseman, I would do it.

 

Yes to that one. Beni will get progressively more costly to the point of his Peter Principle level, as JBJr has. Jackie is on a tear right now but do you think the Sox are ready to pay JBJr $9 to $10MM next year for an unpredictable guy who for all his recent hitting success will be a 30 year old FA following 2020 ? Benintendi is on the same track , about 5 years behind Jackie. Upside, certainly, but actualization, who knows.

 

I'm sure DD will put him out on the trading block, but I will guess the team is reluctant to simply plug a bullpen hole with a short term pickup for Beni.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes to that one. Beni will get progressively more costly to the point of his Peter Principle level, as JBJr has. Jackie is on a tear right now but do you think the Sox are ready to pay JBJr $9 to $10MM next year for an unpredictable guy who for all his recent hitting success will be a 30 year old FA following 2020 ? Benintendi is on the same track , about 5 years behind Jackie. Upside, certainly, but actualization, who knows.

 

What I say is this: Beni and Jackie are not superstars, but they're good players. Are there really a whole pile of reasonably-priced, available outfielders who are as good as or better than Beni and Jackie floating around in MLB that we can get to replace them?

[Swiharts Ghost]

Ok YAZ and Moon broke me .Sell Benny NOW !!!!!!

[YastrzemskI]

Ok YAZ and Moon broke me .Sell Benny NOW !!!!!!

 

More of the same from the St Louis Blues fan tonight.. his “hitting” has now officially spilled over to the field. It’s going to be interesting how the Red Sox handle him.

[MADSTORK]

They will be lucky to win 80 never mind 86

 

Drop the dead weight and revamp the minor league system