It ain't over, 'ti;; it's Over

[notin]

Cant take a thread serious when its misspelled with punctuation m@rk$!!!!!!!.

 

The guy who made those typos and punctuation errors is a 95yo half-blind World War II vet.

 

Pick on his ideas and what he says just as you would anyone else. But have some respect and understanding about the typing...

[moonslav59]

The guy who made those typos and punctuation errors is a 95yo half-blind World War II vet.

 

Pick on his ideas and what he says just as you would anyone else. But have some respect and understanding about the typing...

 

Ignore the bozo clown.

 

Maybe he'll just go away.

[S5Dewey]

Ignore the bozo clown.

 

Maybe he'll just go away.

 

Excellent suggestion. I'm in.

[OH FOY]

Losses happen, were Baseball Fans. Here's the problem, when your chasing you have to minimize losses, especially when you have the lead, and a pretty good one going into the 9th. Pretty much a wasted game for me, you got the good starting pitching, and the Offense was enough to win even if you surrendered a run, in this case 2 to win 3 to tie.

With the Yankees losing, you gave them a game. Didn't matter if they lost. When your chasing, you got to make them matter.

You cannot take the long season for granted, when your behind. Urgency matters, even now.

Edited May 31, 2019 by OH FOY!

[Slasher9]

the last 2 L's are a couple of the worst since game 1 of the 2018 season.

blowing a 3 run game in the 9th and then scoring 9 the next night and still lose by a handful is pretty bad....

[notin]

the last 2 L's are a couple of the worst since game 1 of the 2018 season.

blowing a 3 run game in the 9th and then scoring 9 the next night and still lose by a handful is pretty bad....

 

 

Agreed. Very disheartening.

 

Never liked this bullpen and don’t have the same faith in Brasier that Dombrowski and Cora clearly have. Or Ryan Weber.

 

But the prolonged stretch without off days and a couple of shortened starts can take a toll on a pitching staff that is using “bullpen days” as a planned strategy...

[moonslav59]

Agreed. Very disheartening.

 

Never liked this bullpen and don’t have the same faith in Brasier that Dombrowski and Cora clearly have. Or Ryan Weber.

 

But the prolonged stretch without off days and a couple of shortened starts can take a toll on a pitching staff that is using “bullpen days” as a planned strategy...

 

I don't disagree, but I don't see much else on the 40 man roster that I have more faith in than Brasier and Weber (before the last 2 days).

[Jasonbay44]

I never had faith in Weber. There is a reason he's bounced around and a team that can seem to make any pitcher look good (Rays) dumped him. He's AAAA player and won't solve anything. Sox definitely need to upgrade the bullpen. The only guys I trust at all are Barnes, Workman and Walden.. and even then, Barnes has blown quite a few leads already this year.

[mvp 78]

Cant take a thread serious when its misspelled with punctuation m@rk$!!!!!!!.

 

Mal gets a pass from me.

[notin]

Mal gets a pass from me.

 

Yes for typos. No for content.

 

With typos, it’s understandable. But when it comes to content, he gets the same treatment as everybody else. Positive and negative...

[bosoxmal]

As bad as we've been playing, we are currently tied for the last wild card slot with Oakland.

 

I guess, if you think our 29-27 record is what we will continue to be, then sure, we likely won't make it, but there's no way in hell I believe we will play .518 ball the rest of the way.

I am not the least bit concerned about the last playoff berth. The season 1 1/3 over. In spite of a losy bottom 3, we still can get enough runs to compete with anyone.

[Slasher9]

would be a very nice time to get on one of those 16-2 streaks.

why not us?

[Elktonnick]

I am not the least bit concerned about the last playoff berth. The season 1 1/3 over. In spite of a losy bottom 3, we still can get enough runs to compete with anyone.

I think Henry and Dombrowski took a very hard look at the salary cap restrictions and made a conscientious hard nosed business decision that worst case scenario they would win a playoff berth. This is the reason in my view that Dombrowski has not made a major move at spending money fixing the pen. I am sure he knows what the sox need to do but as they say "When they got you by the budget their hearts and minds will follow."

[harmony]

In May the Red Sox are 16-10 (.615) against teams that collectively have a weighted* .481 winning percentage so far this year.

 

* the six games agains the 37-20 Houston Astros are weighted three times as much as the two games against the 28-27 Colorado Rockies. The weighted opponents' winning percentage without the Astros games would be .429, or a 70-win pace for a 162-game season

[Maxbialystock]

I think Henry and Dombrowski took a very hard look at the salary cap restrictions and made a conscientious hard nosed business decision that worst case scenario they would win a playoff berth. This is the reason in my view that Dombrowski has not made a major move at spending money fixing the pen. I am sure he knows what the sox need to do but as they say "When they got you by the budget their hearts and minds will follow."

 

Interesting. Based on what you said on that other thread, I would have thought you would go for the obvious remedy: fire Cora.

[Maxbialystock]

I think Henry and Dombrowski took a very hard look at the salary cap restrictions and made a conscientious hard nosed business decision that worst case scenario they would win a playoff berth. This is the reason in my view that Dombrowski has not made a major move at spending money fixing the pen. I am sure he knows what the sox need to do but as they say "When they got you by the budget their hearts and minds will follow."

 

Nothing hard-nosed about the decision. Just common sense. How else explain that nobody else in MLB has made an offer to Kimbrel? The other loss was Kelly, who has been a disaster for the Dodgers so far.

 

These last two games were horrible, granted, but they came at the tail end of a no-break 13 game streak that included one starter who lasted 1 out, another who lasted 2 outs, and a 13 inning game. If your a reliever, that gets old awfully fast. Earlier in the season, the bullpen was pretty good.

[Elktonnick]

Interesting. Based on what you said on that other thread, I would have thought you would go for the obvious remedy: fire Cora.

 

I always find interesting when people infer positions that are not explicitly stated. To be clear though, the current manager will be fired, one day. That is a truism in baseball.

[Elktonnick]

Nothing hard-nosed about the decision. Just common sense. How else explain that nobody else in MLB has made an offer to Kimbrel? The other loss was Kelly, who has been a disaster for the Dodgers so far.

 

These last two games were horrible, granted, but they came at the tail end of a no-break 13 game streak that included one starter who lasted 1 out, another who lasted 2 outs, and a 13 inning game. If your a reliever, that gets old awfully fast. Earlier in the season, the bullpen was pretty good.

 

Again I never said anything about Kimbrel or Kelly but there are other moves and acquisitions that could have been made. I just don't think they feel it is prudent from a business perspective to exceed the salary cap in the current situation especially when they look at their future requirements.

[Jasonbay44]

The reason no one has offered Kimbrel is due to the draft pick attached. It is fully expected both he and Keuchel will be signed after draft.

[S5Dewey]

Yes for typos. No for content.

 

With typos, it’s understandable. But when it comes to content, he gets the same treatment as everybody else. Positive and negative...

 

That's cold.

[Kimmi]

Wait ... it ain't over till it's over for the Seattle Mariners?

 

The Mariners are still alive.

[Kimmi]

Why are we all talking about the wildcard anyway?

 

No one has wrapped up the division yet!

[Kimmi]

I still like us to win the division

 

That's what I'm talking about. Thank you!

[CCZeke]

Wishful thinking. This team is not playing like a championship team. Bonehead mistakes: Nunez Bogarts on the bases. Benny below par at bat. Leon: just can't hit. If he is Sales personal catcher....what does 1-9 say.

I think this team is so hung up on analytics....they forgot to look inside the players heads. Computers are ruling baseball. (and IMO ruining it too)

Baseball is becoming one big video game. Sox have a different lineup everyday. Bullpen is mismanaged and who thinks 22-23 year old players need a day of rest in April and/or May.

 

Sure Cora won a Championship LAST YEAR but this is this year 2019. What have you done for us lately.

 

Thanks for letting me vent

 

Zeke

[moonslav59]

Wishful thinking. This team is not playing like a championship team. Bonehead mistakes: Nunez Bogarts on the bases. Benny below par at bat. Leon: just can't hit. If he is Sales personal catcher....what does 1-9 say.

I think this team is so hung up on analytics....they forgot to look inside the players heads. Computers are ruling baseball. (and IMO ruining it too)

Baseball is becoming one big video game. Sox have a different lineup everyday. Bullpen is mismanaged and who thinks 22-23 year old players need a day of rest in April and/or May.

 

Sure Cora won a Championship LAST YEAR but this is this year 2019. What have you done for us lately.

 

Thanks for letting me vent

 

Zeke

 

A few of Sale's losses were with Vaz, some were blown by the pen, and others were lost by no run support, but certainly Sale has not been Sale. We needed a lock down performance last night. He was well rested. He didn't give us what we needed, but with just one run scored, it's hard to blame just him.

 

I saw the stat last night on how Sale is like 82nd out of 87 starters when facing batters the second time around. He's been great the first time through a line-up, but batters are getting to him later.

 

We're seeing more bone-heads plays than 2018. It's like we're back to Farrell's 2017 squad again.

 

We need serious focus and a full team effort. It's not too late to turn things around, but I think a trade sooner rather than later might shake things up a little and break the malaise.

 

We could also use Eovaldi and Moreland back.

 

[notin]

That's cold.

 

 

It’s cold to treat him like everyone else (with the exception of his excusable typing)?

 

He comes out here for baseball discussion, not to be pushed aside under the guise of respect...

[jacksonianmarch]

The Sox were paper tigers in 2016 and 2017. They became juggernauts when a few guys peaked and JDM was added. Those guys have come back to earth and the same bone headed s*** that happened during the paper tiger years has reappeared. The only difference is the ALE is WAY better than it was then. The Sox are an above average team with a lot of talent. They happened to play Together for one season and they won it all. This season, from the games I’ve watched, it looks like the Sox team is playing in silos. Good individually but together a mess

[moonslav59]

The Sox were paper tigers in 2016 and 2017. They became juggernauts when a few guys peaked and JDM was added. Those guys have come back to earth and the same bone headed s*** that happened during the paper tiger years has reappeared. The only difference is the ALE is WAY better than it was then. The Sox are an above average team with a lot of talent. They happened to play Together for one season and they won it all. This season, from the games I’ve watched, it looks like the Sox team is playing in silos. Good individually but together a mess

 

Many players are still doing better than 2016-2017, so I'm not so sure you are right about "coming back to earth." Besides we did win the division those years playing like "silos".

[vegasbob]

A few of Sale's losses were with Vaz, some were blown by the pen, and others were lost by no run support, but certainly Sale has not been Sale. We needed a lock down performance last night. He was well rested. He didn't give us what we needed, but with just one run scored, it's hard to blame just him.

 

I saw the stat last night on how Sale is like 82nd out of 87 starters when facing batters the second time around. He's been great the first time through a line-up, but batters are getting to him later.

 

We're seeing more bone-heads plays than 2018. It's like we're back to Farrell's 2017 squad again.

 

We need serious focus and a full team effort. It's not too late to turn things around, but I think a trade sooner rather than later might shake things up a little and break the malaise.

 

We could also use Eovaldi and Moreland back.

 

 

I would like to see Sale's stats when pitching with 2 strikes . His K totals would indicate an excellent (low ) BA/OPS against. But also like to see #'s when pitching with 2 outs, and likewise with RISP . I'm beginning to think he may suffer from a syndrome sometimes seen with Buchholz , Bard and others . No need to be subtle---Does Chris Sale have problems when under pressure ?

 

I agree with most that W-L's are to a significant degree out of the pitcher's direct control. Over a large sample, allowing some of randomness to level out, you would expect a dominant "ACE" to win more times than lose. Sale in 2018 and 2019 does seem to get poor support, but how does his run support compare to other leading #1's or even the whole staff?

[moonslav59]

I would like to see Sale's stats when pitching with 2 strikes . His K totals would indicate an excellent (low ) BA/OPS against. But also like to see #'s when pitching with 2 outs, and likewise with RISP . I'm beginning to think he may suffer from a syndrome sometimes seen with Buchholz , Bard and others . No need to be subtle---Does Chris Sale have problems when under pressure ?

 

I agree with most that W-L's are to a significant degree out of the pitcher's direct control. Over a large sample, allowing some of randomness to level out, you would expect a dominant "ACE" to win more times than lose. Sale in 2018 and 2019 does seem to get poor support, but how does his run support compare to other leading #1's or even the whole staff?

 

RS per IP

2019

2.6 Price

2.9 Sale

3.9 Eovaldi

6.5 Porcello

7.7 ERod

 

2018

3.5 Eovaldi

3.7 Pomeranz

4.5 Sale

4.7 Price

5.3 ERod

5.9 Porcello

7.3 Johnson

 

2017

3.5 ERod

4.4 Sale

4.4 Porcello

4.9 Fister

5.1 Price

5.4 Pomeranz

 

It looks like Sale is always on the short side of the mean.

Edited June 1, 2019 by moonslav59