What are the chances of Porcello being offered a contract extension?

[Bellhorn04]

And hopefully, they are cheaper than $20 million/year and can pitch to an ERA under 5.

 

Well, Dave got us Eovaldi for only 17 million a year for 4 years. In Year One he's given us 62.2 innings and a 6.03 ERA.

[S5Dewey]

And hopefully, they are cheaper than $20 million/year and can pitch to an ERA under 5.

 

The big deal isn't the ERA, it's the innings. The Sox can score enough runs to cover 3.3 runs every six innings.

 

As I said earlier, I don't see him getting $20M next year from the Sox or anyone else, but if he likes it here he may take $10-12M to reestablish himself. He may even take less than that if performance bonuses are included.

 

I'm not ready to close the door on Porcillo yet.

[Slasher9]

This will likely be our SP'er depth chart next year- assuming health.

 

1. Sale.

2. ERod

3. Price

4. ERod

5. DHern

6. Cheap FA signing

7. Chacin

8. Wright (if tendered-arb)

9. Johnson

10. Velazquez or Shawaryn/Houck

 

 

Erod on 2 days rest. the players union may balk at that one...

[TylerD]

Erod on 2 days rest. the players union may balk at that one...

 

Lol!

[moonslav59]

You Magoo'd Eovaldi.

 

Fixed it!

 

Thanks.

[TylerD]

Well, Dave got us Eovaldi for only 17 million a year for 4 years. In Year One he's given us 62.2 innings and a 6.03 ERA.

 

Eovaldi seemed to clean his up mechanics and get better down the stretch. If he stays healthy he should be a decent 4th guy. That’s a big IF

[Bellhorn04]

Eovaldi seemed to clean his up mechanics and get better down the stretch. If he stays healthy he should be a decent 4th guy. That’s a big IF

 

Yep, we've got a pocketful of big IFS for next year's rotation.

[TylerD]

Yep, we've got a pocketful of big IFS for next year's rotation.

 

So we potentially could suck again next year lol. Could be a good rotation or bottom barrel like this year.

[Bellhorn04]

So we potentially could suck again next year lol. Could be a good rotation or bottom barrel like this year.

 

Gotta think good thoughts. Thinks went so crappy this year that the law of averages should be back on our side.

[a700hitter]

Well, Dave got us Eovaldi for only 17 million a year for 4 years. In Year One he's given us 62.2 innings and a 6.03 ERA.

I wasn't comparing DD to Ben, which is no compariso since you brought it up.

[Bellhorn04]

I wasn't comparing DD to Ben, which is no compariso since you brought it up.

 

I wasn't doing that either.

[S5Dewey]

So we potentially could suck again next year lol. Could be a good rotation or bottom barrel like this year.

 

If we reset and lose any three of Betts, Bradley, Moreland, JDM, and Price it doesn't matter what the pitching staff looks like. We're going to suck again unless this new GM pulls a HUGE rabbit out of his hat.

[FredLynn]

Yep, we've got a pocketful of big IFS for next year's rotation.

 

There are always a lot of "ifs". Look at it this way: in 2018 our SPs were 4th in the AL in ERA, just .09 RPG below the third place team. And we added Eovaldi this year. The talent was there for them to do the job, but they were poorly prepared to start the season. They simply did not do the job. Their ERA was about 1.2 RPG worse than last year. IMO the only "if" is whether or not our SPs get their collective acts together, not whether or not there is enough talent to perform, Sale's injury notwithstanding. With the exception of ERod, everyone else just wasn't focused this year for whatever reason.

[moonslav59]

There are always a lot of "ifs". Look at it this way: in 2018 our SPs were 4th in the AL in ERA, just .09 RPG below the third place team. And we added Eovaldi this year. The talent was there for them to do the job, but they were poorly prepared to start the season. They simply did not do the job. Their ERA was about 1.2 RPG worse than last year. IMO the only "if" is whether or not our SPs get their collective acts together, not whether or not there is enough talent to perform, Sale's injury notwithstanding. With the exception of ERod, everyone else just wasn't focused this year for whatever reason.

 

Sale missed less starts than Price and Eovaldi.

 

Price and Eovaldi were injured, too. Eovaldi barely made any starts.

 

Porcello is the only starter that can't blame a lot of it on his health.

 

Our SP'ers this year:

 

 

Sale 25 starts- 13 with 4 or more runs allowed & 8 with 5+

Price 22 starts- 7 with 4 or more & 3 with 6+

Eovaldi 8 starts- 4 with 4+ and 4 with 5+

Should have been 98 starts not 55. Should have been less than 24 bad starts in 98 starts, but we had 24 in 55.

 

Then, there's Porcello. He gave us 32 starts, but 15 had 4+ runs allowed & 12 saw 5+. Add him to the other 3, and we have 39 bad starts out of 87 starts. That's 45%.

 

ERod held his own and then some, but those missing 33 starts by the first 3 listed didn't do us any good, either.

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[TylerD]

If we reset and lose any three of Betts, Bradley, Moreland, JDM, and Price it doesn't matter what the pitching staff looks like. We're going to suck again unless this new GM pulls a HUGE rabbit out of his hat.

 

Valid point.

[Larry Cook]

Sale missed less starts than Price and Eovaldi.

 

Price and Eovaldi were injured, too. Eovaldi barely made any starts.

 

Porcello is the only starter that can't blame a lot of it on his health.

 

Our SP'ers this year:

 

 

Sale 25 starts- 13 with 4 or more runs allowed & 8 with 5+

Price 22 starts- 7 with 4 or more & 3 with 6+

Eovaldi 8 starts- 4 with 4+ and 4 with 5+

Should have been 98 starts not 55. Should have been less than 24 bad starts in 98 starts, but we had 24 in 55.

 

Then, there's Porcello. He gave us 32 starts, but 15 had 4+ runs allowed & 12 saw 5+. Add him to the other 3, and we have 39 bad starts out of 87 starts. That's 45%.

 

ERod held his own and then some, but those missing 33 starts by the first 3 listed didn't do us any good, either.

 

Our starting pitching was a black hole this year.

 

For 2020, I think price will be back and will throw a full season. His regression will continue however.

 

Rodriguez should be back but may struggle a bit.

 

Evoldi (if he stays healthy) should be a decent starter.

 

Sale’s shoulder is cooked. Now his elbow is probably shot as well. I expect nothing from him next year.

 

We need two free agent starters to fill out the rotation.

[moonslav59]

Our starting pitching was a black hole this year.

 

For 2020, I think price will be back and will throw a full season. His regression will continue however.

 

Rodriguez should be back but may struggle a bit.

 

Evoldi (if he stays healthy) should be a decent starter.

 

Sale’s shoulder is cooked. Now his elbow is probably shot as well. I expect nothing from him next year.

 

We need two free agent starters to fill out the rotation.

 

It ain't happening.

 

Henry wouldn't spend a penny more at the deadline, and now you're talking tens upon tens of millions to be spent this winter.

[TylerD]

It ain't happening.

 

Henry wouldn't spend a penny more at the deadline, and now you're talking tens upon tens of millions to be spent this winter.

 

Which is why I think there might be a chance in bringing Porcello back if he asks for a cheap enough contract.

[kenmeister]

 

For 2020, I think price will be back and will throw a full season. His regression will continue however.

 

What makes you think Price will pitch a full season? I can't figure out why he couldn't do so this year. He seems plagued by minor injuries. Ellsbury-itis?

[moonslav59]

Which is why I think there might be a chance in bringing Porcello back if he asks for a cheap enough contract.

 

1) I doubt he takes a significant discount to stay here.

2) We don't need a 4.75 to 5.50 SP'er, despite all the IP.

3) He's past prime, now.

4) Even at a discounted rate, his contract would likely put us over the tax limit by itself (assuming we keep everyone else).

 

[Bellhorn04]

1) I doubt he takes a significant discount to stay here.

2) We don't need a 4.75 to 5.50 SP'er, despite all the IP.

3) He's past prime, now.

4) Even at a discounted rate, his contract would likely put us over the tax limit by itself (assuming we keep everyone else).

 

 

The money is the only real reason. Any team would be happy to have him as a #4/5 starter.

[moonslav59]

The money is the only real reason. Any team would be happy to have him as a #4/5 starter.

 

I don't disagree, but I see it this way:

 

If we want to win it all in 2020, assuming we go over the tax line, we need better than a 4/5. Sale, Price and Eovaldi are all big health questions. We'd need a 2/3, at worst plus pen arms.

 

If we plan on rebuilding and not going over the tax line, Porcello makes little sense.

 

[Bellhorn04]

Porcello is most likely gone. I do think there will be more than one occasion next year when people lament him being gone.

[moonslav59]

Porcello is most likely gone. I do think there will be more than one occasion next year when people lament him being gone.

 

I disagree.

 

1) We probably will not be in the race, so we won't be thinking one guy might have made a difference.

2) I won't miss 12 out of 32 starts allowing 5 or more runs and a 5.50 ERA.

3) I will miss the IP'd and the strain he takes off the pen.

 

[Bellhorn04]

I disagree.

 

1) We probably will not be in the race, so we won't be thinking one guy might have made a difference.

2) I won't miss 12 out of 32 starts allowing 5 or more runs and a 5.50 ERA.

3) I will miss the IP'd and the strain he takes off the pen.

 

 

Yep, it's #3 we'll miss.

[moonslav59]

Yep, it's #3 we'll miss.

 

MLBTR reports we are going to reset the tax, next year.

 

Bye-bye Rick.

 

Bye-bye JBJ or maybe JD.

[Bellhorn04]

MLBTR reports we are going to reset the tax, next year.

 

Bye-bye Rick.

 

Bye-bye JBJ or maybe JD.

 

Well, there you go. You're on a good roll with your predictions.

 

Now don't get all swell-headed about it like our loquacious Yankee fan member here.

[moonslav59]

Well, there you go. You're on a good roll with your predictions.

 

Now don't get all swell-headed about it like our loquacious Yankee fan member here.

 

I'm wrong too often to gloat when I'm right.

 

I do think JBJ or JD will be traded. That's my next call.

 

I was gald to hear the reset does not mean Betts is traded, and they actually said theyw ere going to try and extend him this winter.

[jacksonianmarch]

Knowing the plan to get under the LT, then there is little choice but to deal Betts if you want to try to contend. You’ll need to spread out his value and maximize the return for a single season of an MVP caliber player.

 

I do wonder if the Sox are rebuffed in contract talks if they swing a deal with the NYM and get Syndergaard

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I'm wrong too often to gloat when I'm right.

 

I do think JBJ or JD will be traded. That's my next call.

 

I was gald to hear the reset does not mean Betts is traded, and they actually said theyw ere going to try and extend him this winter.

 

Betts, like all the other mercenaries in baseball, will test FA. There is no doubt of that. Trade him during the winter when his return value will be higher than at the trade deadline.