Bogie the Quiet performer . . .

[Sox75]

119 452 64 127 41 3 19 89 48 88 6 2 .281 .354 .511 .865

 

89 RBI's, probably 100 this season

.865 OPS

19 HR's, could reach 25?

 

VERY SOLID on D all year long

 

ALL THIS in only 119 games!!!!

 

 

This kid is THE UNSUNG HERO of 2018!

 

ABSOLUTELY an ALL-Star this YEAR! Was not named, but this is an ALL-Star year by any standard!

[Sox75]

New Middle schooler.... & football player.

 

I'll leave it to those with time to extrapolate the stats to 162 games.

 

Moon?

[sk7326]

it's nice when you can grip the bat properly ...

[Sox75]

Not scientific, but 89 rbi's per 119 games extrapolated to 150 games healthy .... 112 rbi season

 

19 HR per 119 games = 24 HR's per 150 games

 

Plus, Bogie has become a more than solid MLB SS.

 

Break out season!

 

Bogie MLB career ... 2870 424 811 70 372 47 .283 .341 .767

 

Jose' I's MLB career ...2202 247 594 21 188 46 .270 .315 .678

 

 

This breakout YEAR?

 

Bogie will likely end up with 100+ rbi's & 22+ HR's

 

Jose I will likely end up with 55 rbi's & 6 - 7 HR's

 

 

Case closed. Sox made the right move.

Edited September 7, 2018 by Sox75

[S5Dewey]

Not scientific, but 89 rbi's per 119 games extrapolated to 150 games healthy .... 112 rbi season

 

19 HR per 119 games = 24 HR's per 150 games

 

Plus, Bogie has become a more than solid MLB SS.

 

Break out season!

 

Bogie MLB career ... 2870 424 811 70 372 47 .283 .341 .767

 

Jose' I's MLB career ...2202 247 594 21 188 46 .270 .315 .678

 

 

This breakout YEAR?

 

Bogie will likely end up with 100+ rbi's & 22+ HR's

 

Jose I will likely end up with 55 rbi's & 6 - 7 HR's

 

 

Case closed. Sox made the right move.

 

Ok, but that works best if one only considers offense.

 

Now think of the Sox infield with both of those guys on one side of it and without Panda's contract hamstringing our Luxury Tax ceiling.

[OH FOY]

Lets say for the sake of argument, he walks. The Sox have nothing in the Minors to take over. The Sox are going to have to pay this guy big bucks next year. Or back to Free Agency again, and shop around. Boras is licking his chops on this one, especially another good year from the X-Man, and a WS thrown in.

[Thunder]

I don't know, I would still rather have Lindor.

[moonslav59]

On Bogey's defense...

 

He has looked pretty steady this year, but I'm not sure I'd say he is above average Lindor is excellent on defense. Numbers aren't everything, but here are some...

 

UZR/150 (32 SSs with 500+ innings)

2. Lindor 13.3

14. Bogey 2.7

 

DRS

3. Lindor +14

T31 Bogey -16

 

2016-2018 (33 SSs with 1500+ innings)

UZR/150

2. Lindor 11.7

19. Bogey -0.3

 

DRS

3. Lindor 36

33. Bogey -37 (32nd place is at -22)

 

 

[sk7326]

Lindor is a better player than Bogaerts.

 

Bogaerts has had an outstanding year, and if this is his level that is a darn good player. Not Lindor, but again almost nobody else is either.

[Dojji]

Never bought the Iglesias-Bogaerts controversy. If we'd kept both, we would have found playing time for both, especially since there's nothing wrong with Bogaerts' bat in the DH position or his glove at 3B.

 

Right now, Bogaerts is wirth 3.2 WAR, and Iglesias, thanks to his fantastic glove, is worth 2.2 WAR. Bogaerts wins, but Iglesias is worth his salary too.

[Slasher9]

First we gonna rock, then we gonna roll

Then we let it pop, go, let it go!

X gon give it to ya, he gonna give it to ya

X gon give it to ya, he gonna give it to ya

 

[Thunder]

I was being sarcastic if you guys couldn't tell. I love Bogaerts. He's a perfect player in this era of a new, redefined shortstop. If his defense could improve a little bit, he can really be one of the better SS we've ever had.

[Dojji]

Worth thinking about: Iglesias is about to hit the market if the Tigers don't ink him this offseason. We have some holes in our infield defense unless Pedroia returns healthy (ha!) and it might just could be time to bring Iggy home.

[Slasher9]

Worth thinking about: Iglesias is about to hit the market if the Tigers don't ink him this offseason. We have some holes in our infield defense unless Pedroia returns healthy (ha!) and it might just could be time to bring Iggy home.

 

there is a gentleman in Maine who is giddy at the thought of this.......

[mvp 78]

Worth thinking about: Iglesias is about to hit the market if the Tigers don't ink him this offseason. We have some holes in our infield defense unless Pedroia returns healthy (ha!) and it might just could be time to bring Iggy home.

 

gtfo

[OH FOY]

I'm starting a team, I'm taking Bogey 100 out of 100 times over Iglesias. That WAR stat is stupid. You got WAR I got EYE. Bogey's Defense has taken huge jumps since he got here. Lindor is not leaving Cleveland so throw that out. They will pay that man too, Big Time. Edited September 7, 2018 by OH FOY!

[notin]

Worth thinking about: Iglesias is about to hit the market if the Tigers don't ink him this offseason. We have some holes in our infield defense unless Pedroia returns healthy (ha!) and it might just could be time to bring Iggy home.

 

Iglesias was never the most durable player to begin with, and that appears to have only gotten worse over the past 5 years.

 

The only hole in the Sox infield defense is at third, a position currently manned by one of the youngest position players above A ball in the entire organization. Not to mention, 2 of the Sox best position prospects also play third.

 

Second is the only question mark, solely because of Pedroia’s health. The Sox aren’t going to sign Iglesias so they can move Bogaerts to 2b. They might sign an insurance policy, but they willl control Holt, Nunez and Marco Hernandez already...

[jacksonianmarch]

Xander has quietly shown his worth. He's a good defensive SS with power and the ability to hit for a good average and take a walk. He's fast enough not to be a slog on the bases either. Fangraphs sees his worth so far this year at over $32 mil. I don't think the fangraphs worth is what he will end up with, but if he repeats this year again next year, it will probably be accurate. 4+ WAR SS's who can hit in the middle of the order and play good D at the age of 26 are rare to see in FA. He's gonna get a monster of a deal

[mvp 78]

I'm just glad that we don't have to fight over whether or not Xander's D is average or below average anymore.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'm just glad that we don't have to fight over whether or not Xander's D is average or below average anymore.

 

I just looked up his UZR/150 over the past few years. From 2015-2018, he has a cumulative UZR/150 of 2. He is barely above average, but that's pretty good, especially with what he brings to the table

[BillyWilliams]

Xander has quietly shown his worth. He's a good defensive SS with power and the ability to hit for a good average and take a walk. He's fast enough not to be a slog on the bases either. Fangraphs sees his worth so far this year at over $32 mil. I don't think the fangraphs worth is what he will end up with, but if he repeats this year again next year, it will probably be accurate. 4+ WAR SS's who can hit in the middle of the order and play good D at the age of 26 are rare to see in FA. He's gonna get a monster of a deal

 

I agree, if he produces like this again, which I believe he can, he will get paid handsomely.

[jacksonianmarch]

It will be interesting to see what Machado gets. I think with Bogaerts able to point to his better D at SS, he might be able to get his deal or better.

[notin]

I'm starting a team, I'm taking Bogey 100 out of 100 times over Iglesias. That WAR stat is stupid. You got WAR I got EYE. Bogey's Defense has taken huge jumps since he got here. .

 

WAR would agree tht you take Bogaerts over Iglesias. And UZR and many other defensive metrics agree Bogaerts has increased his defensive play by leaps and bounds compared to other shortstops. Not sure why that's so stupid...

[notin]

I just looked up his UZR/150 over the past few years. From 2015-2018, he has a cumulative UZR/150 of 2. He is barely above average, but that's pretty good, especially with what he brings to the table

 

"Barely above average " does mean "better than most shortstops." Let's not undersell it here. MLB shortstops are usually among the best defenders on the field in any game...

[jacksonianmarch]

"Barely above average " does mean "better than most shortstops." Let's not undersell it here. MLB shortstops are usually among the best defenders on the field in any game...

 

Agreed. I think he is an above average defensive SS who has elite bat skills for the position

[BillyWilliams]

It will be interesting to see what Machado gets. I think with Bogaerts able to point to his better D at SS, he might be able to get his deal or better.

 

Machado's numbers have taken a hit since leaving the hitter friendly Camden Yards and playing his home games out in LA.

[Bellhorn04]

Machado's numbers have taken a hit since leaving the hitter friendly Camden Yards and playing his home games out in LA.

 

Machado career home OPS 888

Machado career road OPS 761

 

The splits definitely support your point.

[notin]

Machado's numbers have taken a hit since leaving the hitter friendly Camden Yards and playing his home games out in LA.

 

In less than 200 plate appearances?

 

His OPS+ of 126 with the Dodgers is actually better than his OPS+ (123) in his last 3 full seasons in Camden...

[notin]

Machado career home OPS 888

Machado career road OPS 761

 

The splits definitely support your point.

 

Not really.

 

His home/road OPS splits were abysmal in that regard in 2017 (.895/.666). But surprisingly equal in 2016 (.885/.868) and not so bad in 015 (.905/.810).

 

They were also awful in 2014, but he was only 21 then and missed a lot of time that year...

[Bellhorn04]

Not really.

 

His home/road OPS splits were abysmal in that regard in 2017 (.895/.666). But surprisingly equal in 2016 (.885/.868) and not so bad in 015 (.905/.810).

 

They were also awful in 2014, but he was only 21 then and missed a lot of time that year...

 

Season to season fluctuations like those are nothing new. The averages still work out to a pretty large 127 point difference.