8/20 vs Tribe

[Bellhorn04]

And yet there is a MLB record for Ks and more Ks than Hits, which never has happened in MLB history for one season. So yes, many are blowing people away as well as using changeups and cutters/curves.

 

And at the end of the day, teams are averaging about 4.5 runs a game, which is probably pretty close to the all-time average.

 

The strategies and skills might change a bit but the end results are still around the same.

[Maxbialystock]

You also manage differently with a lead than you do in a tie. The Red Sox had a win probability of 50% going into the top of the 7th. Cleveland had a 78% win probability going into the bottom of the 7th.

 

A fair comment, and I agree: Francona's 2 run lead made it easy to bring in the bullpen. Cora had a tie game, not so easy to take Porcello out.

 

But. Cora had already seen Porcello, who had a solid start, begin to unravel in the 5th and even more so in the 6th. It seems to me that, based on that alone, he should have been less patient with Porcello in the 7th. As it turns out, a good bullpen--not guaranteed--could have won that game because the Sox scored in the 9th. But Cora waited to long to bring them in.

 

Also. Kluber had a slow start, but was doing fine in the 5th and 6th innings and got the first guy out in the 7th. Yes, he had thrown 108 pitches, but Francona might have left him in--but did not.

[Kimmi]

We doubled the Guardians in Hits + BBs (16 to 8).

 

We almost always win these types of games, unlike the Sox of many years ago.

 

Get 'em tomorrow!

 

This is one of those random things that occurs in one run wins or losses.

 

The Sox had many more base runners, but just couldn't get the timely hit or bunch those hits together as needed, while the Guardians did. Randomness, not skill.

 

It always hurts to lose games like these, but losing to the Tribe in such fashion is really nothing to be upset about. That game could have gone either way.

[Kimmi]

Kinda' surprised JD swung at that pitch in his eyes.

 

JD is a great hitter, but I tell you what, sometimes he looks awful at the plate.

[Maxbialystock]

Nope, Bogey has a .929 OPS in the 5 spot and a .504 OPS in the 3 spot (SSS with only 31 PA's).

 

He's killing it in the 5 spot and I assume it's a very comfortable spot for him, so leave him there.

 

Bogey is also 2d on the team in rbi's with 77 even though Betts and Beni both have more games and more at bats.

 

My first five hitters--in whatever order--would be Betts, Beni, Pearce, JDM, and Bogey.

[dannycater]

Kimmi, he is very technical and looks to barrel up, but he often does swing at bad pitches and can look really bad, but I really believe it's why he has become this video/technical hitter..to keeping bad at bats to a minimum...yet he's hitting .332 2nd in AL to Betts and has HR and RBI numbers off the charts...so I can live with any bad at bat by him. It's called baseball. Plus he's a power hitter, you can't avoid taking big cuts.

[Kimmi]

Everyone needs to stop analyzing Porcello's performance and focus the blame on where we all know it truly belongs: Slasher.

 

If the Sox fail to win the World Series, it's on Slasher.

 

He probably decreased our chances of winning it all by .02%, or something very close.

[Kimmi]

Nope, research shows the optimal lineup has the 4 best hitters in spots 1,2,4 and 5.

 

A man after my own heart.

[dannycater]

I would rather see Betts, Bogie, Beni, JD, Pearce-Moreland, Kinsler, Holt-Nunez, Leon, Bradley

[Kimmi]

it wasnt long ago the 3 hitter was supposed to be the best hitter in the lineup.

now apparently the "stats" say:

3 hitter is supposed to be the 5th best hitter.

the 5 hitter should be your 4th best hitter.

the 2 hitter should be your best hitter

 

Cora seems to be only following the 3 hitter rule by keeping moreland there.

 

"Supposed" being the key word here.

 

The bottom line is that it really just does not make that big of a difference.

 

All of the fretting over whether JD should hit 3rd or 4th is really mostly for naught.

[Kimmi]

So it's NOT all about the statistics! Sometimes its also about the intangibles.

 

Some of us think there's such a thing as "protection" but since there are no statistics to back it up we're told it doesn't exist.

Some of us think there's such a thing as "clutch" but since there are no statistics...... ^^

I think most of us now agree that there's such a thing as "choke" in spite of the fact that there are no stats to back it up due to SSS's.

 

Sometimes we throw in the intangibles, but only when it suits our purposes.

 

All I'm asking is that people be consistent. Either you think Stats are the be-all, end-all or you don't. The (IMO) more reasonable of us believe that both stats and intangibles play into a player's performance but when we have the audacity to say it we're hit with a barrage of statistics saying we're wrong. Especially from those who give lip service to "intangibles" but then use statistics to quash any differing viewpoints.

 

I'm sorry. I know I've been disagreeable lately, but can you at least see why I'm going nutso here?

 

1. You are making straw man arguments.

2. You misrepresent what others say.

3. You only read what you want to read.

4. There is a lot of fake news in this post.

 

For these reasons, there really is no point in trying to have a discussion with you about these topics.

[Kimmi]

Kimmi, he is very technical and looks to barrel up, but he often does swing at bad pitches and can look really bad, but I really believe it's why he has become this video/technical hitter..to keeping bad at bats to a minimum...yet he's hitting .332 2nd in AL to Betts and has HR and RBI numbers off the charts...so I can live with any bad at bat by him. It's called baseball. Plus he's a power hitter, you can't avoid taking big cuts.

 

I do not disagree with any of this.

[jung]

And yet there is a MLB record for Ks and more Ks than Hits, which never has happened in MLB history for one season. So yes, many are blowing people away as well as using changeups and cutters/curves.

 

A K can't come on a Change or a Slider or a Curve or a Cutter? Thats news to me. Probably news to everybody else too.

 

Those who have been tracking this material have produced documentation that the percentage of FB's to off-speed and breaking pitches was tumbling even early in the 2017 season, has been tumbling since the 2008 season recovered slightly for the 2014 season and then went off a cliff edge from 2016 through 2018 to a point were it is obvious to anybody that cares to look.

 

This stuff is not even hard to find. A simple google query should be good enough.

Edited August 21, 2018 by jung

[S5Dewey]

1. You are making straw man arguments.

2. You misrepresent what others say.

3. You only read what you want to read.

4. There is a lot of fake news in this post.

 

For these reasons, there really is no point in trying to have a discussion with you about these topics.

 

As with anytime your beliefs are challenged you're not interested in seeing another's point of view. I was hoping you might take a moment to reflect on your attitude/posts here on the topics of stats vs. intangibles. I guess I was hoping for too much.

 

You could learn a lot from Bellhorn & Moon.

Edited August 21, 2018 by S5Dewey

[Kimmi]

As with anytime your beliefs are challenged you're not interested in seeing another's point of view. I was hoping you might take a moment to reflect on your attitude/posts here on the topics of stats vs. intangibles. I guess I was hoping for too much.

 

You could learn a lot from Bellhorn & Moon.

 

The thing is, you and a few others don't challenge my beliefs.

 

You resort to challenging my credibility and integrity through misrepresentation and flat out lies.

[bosoxmal]

Porcillo is great to watch when he's on - like he was in the 1st. He K's a guy and then just walks off the mound like it's no big deal.

 

Dewey,how much faith do you have in Eovaldi? Put another way, how much do you think Cora has in him? (I have to remember that Cora has been right his year a lot more times than I have!

[mvp 78]

1. You are making straw man arguments.

2. You misrepresent what others say.

3. You only read what you want to read.

4. There is a lot of fake news in this post.

 

For these reasons, there really is no point in trying to have a discussion with you about these topics.

 

There's not much use in having a conversation with him about anything it seems.

[mvp 78]

I deserve it for yesterday’s foul up....

 

Shame shame...

[S5Dewey]

Dewey,how much faith do you have in Eovaldi? Put another way, how much do you think Cora has in him? (I have to remember that Cora has been right his year a lot more times than I have!

 

I think he may be a sleeper for us. He's had one great start, one dreadful start, and one mediocre start in his past three starts for the Sox. His good start was against a good hitting team (MFY) and his bad start was against a dreadfully bad team (BAL). Go figure.

 

Being an optimist I tend to put little stock in one bad outing because it's easier to have a bad start than a good one so I still have some faith in him but he's going to have to prove it. In fairness, I'm not looking for anything great from him tonight because Cleveland is another good hitting team, but he pitched well against the MFY so who knows?

 

IIRC he's got something like a 1.05 WHIP in his last 15 starts so there's something there.

 

IMO Cora - is/should be - feeling the same way I do, that the jury is out on him but that ~1.05 certainly should give him a chance to prove himself. I'd be surprised if Eovaldi gets a sniff at a playoff game - or maybe even the roster - but he's got over a month to prove he's worthy.

[S5Dewey]

There's not much use in having a conversation with him about anything it seems.

 

You're right. Not if you already have your beliefs firmly set in your mind and you're not willing to entertain or have any respect for any other opinions.

[S5Dewey]

The thing is, you and a few others don't challenge my beliefs.

 

You resort to challenging my credibility and integrity through misrepresentation and flat out lies.

 

You believe in WAR and statistical analysis. I challenged that and you took it personally.

 

It became personal at post 119 of this thread when three of your points started with the word "you".

Edited August 21, 2018 by S5Dewey

[Station 13]

Nobody wants to pinch hit?

[Slasher9]

Nobody wants to pinch hit?

 

aint gonna be me. im on a ban for the rest of the year.