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illinoisredsox

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Terrible to come in and walk a guy with a 3 run lead and then throw a knuckle curve when he couldn't hit the fastball. What's next?

 

The hit was on a good pitch. Barely made it out of the infield. The walk was bad, the hit was just a good job by the hitter.

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vegasbob Portland Sea Dogs

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Kimbrel , like his bullpen buddies, gets the job done in an innovative manner. If starters used the number of pitches per inning thatthese guys do , they would be at 100 by the 4th-5th inning. It really must be a new approach to pitching.
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Kimbrel , like his bullpen buddies, gets the job done in an innovative manner. If starters used the number of pitches per inning thatthese guys do , they would be at 100 by the 4th-5th inning. It really must be a new approach to pitching.

 

So Pomeranz and ERod lead the way?

vegasbob Portland Sea Dogs

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Our awful bullpen just held on to a game giving up one run in four innings.

 

Bums. All of them bums.

 

You finally noticed !! Glad you came over to the dark side. I will give you credit for having the stats, and the biggest one is the 50 games over .500. Someone out there in bullpen land is doing something right.

jung Worcester Red Sox

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I stuck Valasquez in there because he has a resilient arm. That is what we will need in the post season. How well he performs could be something else. But he has a resilient arm. Like I said, we will be running the same guys out there day after day after day and I don't think we have many guys, maybe two that have proven to have a resilient arm. Heck Hembree is the opposite of resilient. Kelly is as reliable as a hand grenade with the pin out. Workman is a mystery. I would work Barnes more often back to back and even back to back to back through this stretch late August and early Sept and see what he does. Kimbrel is a known, pluses and minuses. No sense doing it with him. We wouldn't learn anything. We already know what he can and can't do. I would work Brassier back to back to back and see what he does. I don't know what to do with Thornburg. Send him to a shrink.
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jung

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I can't remember the last time the AL has had this amount of lousy teams.

 

None of them can pitch and I just do not know what we will do when we face the few teams in short series in this league that can pitch. Remember the Yankee/Oriole post season of a few years ago? Absolute offensive juggernauts in the regular season, both teams with shoeboxes for parks playing each other in a seven game series and those two offenses got completely dominated by pitchers that knew their weaknesses and just exploited the pure-t s*** out of them.

 

Plus for my money there has only been one David Ortiz in the post season and it took him what.....10-15 years to turn into post season David Ortiz???

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12 Ks in 5.... WOW!

 

I love how Cora and DD have handled Sale this season. It's what I was suggesting last year, too, but I'm glad they are doing it now.

 

We need Sale very strong for the playoffs.

 

JD continues to be the man.

 

Nice to see JBJ continue his consistency.

 

Pearce still going strong.

 

Our pen has been used a lot, but they finally showed some bounce back.

 

I think we're 29-6 in our last 35 games and 36-9 in our last 45 games.

 

That's an 80% winning stretch over our last 45 games and 83% over our last 35 games.

 

Counting the 17-2 start to the season, our two stretches combined, we went 46-8 (.852) or 53-11 (.828).

 

46-8 is 54 games or 1/3 of the season.

 

Between these two best streaks, we were 39-27 (.590).

 

Overall, we have a 71% winning percentage.

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12 Ks in 5.... WOW!

 

I love how Cora and DD have handled Sale this season. It's what I was suggesting last year, too, but I'm glad they are doing it now.

 

We need Sale very strong for the playoffs.

 

JD continues to be the man.

 

Nice to see JBJ continue his consistency.

 

Pearce still going strong.

 

Our pen has been used a lot, but they finally showed some bounce back.

 

I think we're 29-6 in our last 35 games and 36-9 in our last 45 games.

 

That's an 80% winning stretch over our last 45 games and 83% over our last 35 games.

 

Counting the 17-2 start to the season, our two stretches combined, we went 46-8 (.852) or 53-11 (.828).

 

46-8 is 54 games or 1/3 of the season.

 

Between these two best streaks, we were 39-27 (.590).

 

Overall, we have a 71% winning percentage.

 

The pen seems to be way off of late. Consistently wild and seemingly rattled when they get in games. Today we saw Thornburg, Barnes and Kimbrel all have issues. Hope somehow with rest and perhaps some different coaching they can throw strikes when they come in with a good lead. Baltimore is not that strong offensively, so what would happen against a team that is if the BP comes in wild..

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Sox have 2 days off this week, its after that we could use deeper games from some Starters. 10 straight games, Guardians, and Rays, a little tougher part of schedule.
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I was at Baltimore for two games this weekend, 75% of the crowd was Sox fans, and the other 25% were either drunk or didn't care. It was one of the weirdest atmospheres I had ever seen. When the PA announcer would try starting "Lets go O's" chants, it would just end up being "Lets go Red Sox" chants. Mookie and JD both received MVP chants. I also don't think there is a man more loved in Baltimore than Adam Jones, or hated than Chris Davis lol.

 

I'll be headed to Philly Tuesday for that game, I've never been there before, and it should be interesting seeing how those fans act lol.

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The pen seems to be way off of late. Consistently wild and seemingly rattled when they get in games. Today we saw Thornburg, Barnes and Kimbrel all have issues. Hope somehow with rest and perhaps some different coaching they can throw strikes when they come in with a good lead. Baltimore is not that strong offensively, so what would happen against a team that is if the BP comes in wild..

 

Just put up the zeros.

 

Look at the Yankee pen... by far, the best in MLB. Even they have looked very shaky lately.

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It's amazing how many games the bullpen has blown lately.

 

Maybe you were being sarcastic.

 

We've hardly lost at all in about a 1/4 of the season.

 

Since June 21st, we've lost 9 games. Here are those 9 games.

 

1. June 23: We were down 5-0 to Seatlle before our pen came in. We lost 7-2 as we scored 2 runs in the 9th. No blown game by pen. (5 IP 2 ER)

 

2. June 29 @ NYY: ERod let up 5 ER in 6IP. We were down 5-1 when the pen came in. No blown game by pen. (2 IP 3 ER)

 

3. July1 @ NYY: Price lets up 8 ER in 3.1 IP and we lose 11-1. No blown game by pen. (4.2 IP 3 ER)

 

4. July 13 vs TOR: Porcello gives up 8 ER in 2+ IP, We're down 8-5 after he is removed.We lose 13-7. No blown game by pen, but they didn't help, (5 IP 0 ER by Velazquez, Thornburg & Brasier, but then Kelly and Scott let up 5 ER in 2 IP to put the game away)

 

5. July 21: vs DET. We lose 5-0. Johnson goes 5 IP 2 R (0 ER). The pen let's up 3 ER in 3 IP, but since we never scored, the pen did not blow this game.

 

6. July 26 @ BAL: We lost 7-6. Pom let's up 4 ER in 4.2 IP and leaves the game with us down 4-3.We score 3 more and the pen allows 3 more, so technically, the pen did not blow this game, but I'm okay with putting half the blame on them (3.1 IP 3 ER).

 

7. July 26 vs MN: we lose 2-1.Johnson goes 5.2 with o ER and leaves the game up 1-0. The pen lets up 2 ER in 3.1 IP and "blows the game."

 

8. July 31st: We lose 3-1 as Pom let's up 2 ER in 5 IP. The pen let's up 1 run in 4 IP. No blown game by the pen. They actually kept us in it as the one run allowed was in the 9th in a 2-1 game.

 

9. August 9 @ TOR: we lost 8-5 as Porcello let up 7 ER in 4 IP. The pen let up 1 ER in 4 IP. No blown game by pen.

 

I count 1.5 blown games by the pen out of the last 9 losses in our last 42 games.

 

S5Dewey FCL Red Sox

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I was at Baltimore for two games this weekend, 75% of the crowd was Sox fans, and the other 25% were either drunk or didn't care. It was one of the weirdest atmospheres I had ever seen. When the PA announcer would try starting "Lets go O's" chants, it would just end up being "Lets go Red Sox" chants. Mookie and JD both received MVP chants. I also don't think there is a man more loved in Baltimore than Adam Jones, or hated than Chris Davis lol.

 

I'll be headed to Philly Tuesday for that game, I've never been there before, and it should be interesting seeing how those fans act lol.

 

A Road Trip! Color me Big Time Envious! Enjoy!!

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Maybe you were being sarcastic.

 

We've hardly lost at all in about a 1/4 of the season.

 

Since June 21st, we've lost 9 games. Here are those 9 games.

 

1. June 23: We were down 5-0 to Seatlle before our pen came in. We lost 7-2 as we scored 2 runs in the 9th. No blown game by pen. (5 IP 2 ER)

 

2. June 29 @ NYY: ERod let up 5 ER in 6IP. We were down 5-1 when the pen came in. No blown game by pen. (2 IP 3 ER)

 

3. July1 @ NYY: Price lets up 8 ER in 3.1 IP and we lose 11-1. No blown game by pen. (4.2 IP 3 ER)

 

4. July 13 vs TOR: Porcello gives up 8 ER in 2+ IP, We're down 8-5 after he is removed.We lose 13-7. No blown game by pen, but they didn't help, (5 IP 0 ER by Velazquez, Thornburg & Brasier, but then Kelly and Scott let up 5 ER in 2 IP to put the game away)

 

5. July 21: vs DET. We lose 5-0. Johnson goes 5 IP 2 R (0 ER). The pen let's up 3 ER in 3 IP, but since we never scored, the pen did not blow this game.

 

6. July 26 @ BAL: We lost 7-6. Pom let's up 4 ER in 4.2 IP and leaves the game with us down 4-3.We score 3 more and the pen allows 3 more, so technically, the pen did not blow this game, but I'm okay with putting half the blame on them (3.1 IP 3 ER).

 

7. July 26 vs MN: we lose 2-1.Johnson goes 5.2 with o ER and leaves the game up 1-0. The pen lets up 2 ER in 3.1 IP and "blows the game."

 

8. July 31st: We lose 3-1 as Pom let's up 2 ER in 5 IP. The pen let's up 1 run in 4 IP. No blown game by the pen. They actually kept us in it as the one run allowed was in the 9th in a 2-1 game.

 

9. August 9 @ TOR: we lost 8-5 as Porcello let up 7 ER in 4 IP. The pen let up 1 ER in 4 IP. No blown game by pen.

 

I count 1.5 blown games by the pen out of the last 9 losses in our last 42 games.

 

 

I know these numbers look good but watching the games belies the numbers. We've seen relievers load up the bases and then wriggle out of it, we've seen Kimbrel give up HR's and extra base hits, and we've seen multiple relievers let multiple runners get on base.

 

If this were a pyramid we'd be thinking that sooner or later all of these things are going to catch up with us.

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I know these numbers look good but watching the games belies the numbers. We've seen relievers load up the bases and then wriggle out of it, we've seen Kimbrel give up HR's and extra base hits, and we've seen multiple relievers let multiple runners get on base.

 

If this were a pyramid we'd be thinking that sooner or later all of these things are going to catch up with us.

 

I get it. Our pen has looked bad in many a win lately, and it is only a matter of time, before it catches up with us, unless it turns itself around. Now that Pom is in the pen, and can go 3-5 innings, maybe we can rest the others more often. Once ERod comes back, we'll have another long reliever in the pen. Once Sept 1st comes around, we can rest everybody.

 

Maybe a waiver wire deal is in the works, but I think we'll be okay as is.

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