6/19 @ Minnesota

[Natick to NC]

That was ugly! Time to send Scotty to Pawtucket.

 

This !!! That guy comes in after all that time working on his game and walks the lead off ?? Cut his ass

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Well, the SOX didn't lose any ground to the O's.

 

Or the Jays. Tampa is leading the Astros 2-1 in the bottom of the 9th.

[Natick to NC]

Mitch ,Nuney are not everyday players Holt is not an everyday player ,Sandy who had a big hit is not an everyday player .The team needs a real Secondbase starter and a real 1b starter .ideas please

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I believe us TALK SOXERS take these losses harder than the SOX players. Remember, they have their millions to fall back on; all we have is our anger.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I believe us TALK SOXERS take these losses harder than the SOX players. Remember, they have their millions to fall back on; all we have is our anger.

 

And sometimes beer.

[TylerD]

Well. Wasn’t expecting that.

[TylerD]

And sometimes beer.

 

This.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Obviously as fans we don't know most of what really happens in the clubhouse or on the off hours, but I have to wonder if Sale ever mentions to the rest of the team how often this seems to happen. Like "What did I ever do to you guys?!"

[Sox75]

They have the look of a very tired club. Long trip, crossed 5 times zones back and forth. Any one who has ever traveled for work knows what I'm taking about.

 

It would be easier to stay on the coast for 3 series like they used to do.

 

It's exhausting! Better off going straight to a game!

[Sox75]

Or..... Not calling up Scott Ro?

[Maxbialystock]

Obviously as fans we don't know most of what really happens in the clubhouse or on the off hours, but I have to wonder if Sale ever mentions to the rest of the team how often this seems to happen. Like "What did I ever do to you guys?!"

 

I said almost the same thing back on page 4 or thereabouts when he was throwing a no-hitter, then a one-hitter.

[Maxbialystock]

I stopped watching around the 7th last night both because of the lateness of the hour and because of an ominous feeling I had that this was going to be one of those games that this year and last happen mostly to Chris Sale.

 

Natick to NC is once again dead wrong blaming last night on the bottom part of the order when they got half the hits and all of the rbi's.

 

I also disagree with the tiredness factor because Monday was a day off and they had over 48 hours between games.

 

Relatedly, there was a discussion somewhere about overusing poor Kimbrel, who as of right now hasn't pitched since last Thursday. Last night would have been a perfect game for him to get a two inning save except that 1) the game was tied, so no lead; 2) Kimbrel doesn't do windows.

[Maxbialystock]

I believe us TALK SOXERS take these losses harder than the SOX players. Remember, they have their millions to fall back on; all we have is our anger.

 

Meh. I think MLB players need to be good at putting bad games behind them because the season is an unbelievable grind. I also think they all love to win and don't like losing at all. After a bad loss like this one, our guys need to focus on the next game.

 

We, on the other hand, have TS on which to unload some of that anger.

[OH FOY]

When checking out a Boxscore for the game, just move right into where it says Team in RISP, fast way if team did good on Offense that night. Much faster. 2-13 last night. Easy to see where they failed to score runs.

There is a reason this stat has been in the Boxscore for years.

[Maxbialystock]

When checking out a Boxscore for the game, just move right into where it says Team in RISP, fast way if team did good on Offense that night. Much faster. 2-13 last night. Easy to see where they failed to score runs.

There is a reason this stat has been in the Boxscore for years.

 

Yup. Among the 11 at bats which produced no hits were some that were actually K's, which are especially painful.

[Slasher9]

I think MLB players need to be good at putting bad games behind them because the season is an unbelievable grind. I also think they all love to win and don't like losing at all. After a bad loss like this one, our guys need to focus on the next game.

 

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Excellent point

[illinoisredsox]

I stopped watching around the 7th last night both because of the lateness of the hour and because of an ominous feeling I had that this was going to be one of those games that this year and last happen mostly to Chris Sale.

 

Natick to NC is once again dead wrong blaming last night on the bottom part of the order when they got half the hits and all of the rbi's.

 

I also disagree with the tiredness factor because Monday was a day off and they had over 48 hours between games.

 

Relatedly, there was a discussion somewhere about overusing poor Kimbrel, who as of right now hasn't pitched since last Thursday. Last night would have been a perfect game for him to get a two inning save except that 1) the game was tied, so no lead; 2) Kimbrel doesn't do windows.

 

There was no reason to try and use Kimbrel for 2 innings. One he has shown that for whatever reason, he’s just not that good at it (we can debate why ad nauseum).

 

But Kelly has been used and been fantastic in that situation all year. There have been a couple times he’s failed but that happens. The questionable move did not involve Kimbrel in any way, shape or form. It was (and I questioned it before or as Scott threw his first pitch) why Scott instead of Kelly? In retrospect, Kelly didn’t have it either so it probably wouldn’t have mattered.

 

As for tired, the team just looked out of it last night. Weak swings, etc. They looked bad Saturday but that was a case of a pitcher just absolutely at his best. Lots of chances last night and hittable pitches in many cases. You can think the travel has nothing to do with it but this type of road trip is very taxing. 3 different time zones with never more than a few days in any one and crossing a total of 5 going back and forth. It is a factor.

[Kimmi]

When checking out a Boxscore for the game, just move right into where it says Team in RISP, fast way if team did good on Offense that night. Much faster. 2-13 last night. Easy to see where they failed to score runs.

There is a reason this stat has been in the Boxscore for years.

 

The good news is that the Sox had a lot of baserunners. I know it's frustrating when we can't seem to get the big hit, but generally, if you generate baserunners, you generate runs.

[Kimmi]

Meh. I think MLB players need to be good at putting bad games behind them because the season is an unbelievable grind. I also think they all love to win and don't like losing at all. After a bad loss like this one, our guys need to focus on the next game.

 

We, on the other hand, have TS on which to unload some of that anger.

 

The great thing about baseball is that there is usually a game the next day so we don't have to stew over a loss for too long.

[Kimmi]

There was no reason to try and use Kimbrel for 2 innings. One he has shown that for whatever reason, he’s just not that good at it (we can debate why ad nauseum).

 

But Kelly has been used and been fantastic in that situation all year. There have been a couple times he’s failed but that happens. The questionable move did not involve Kimbrel in any way, shape or form. It was (and I questioned it before or as Scott threw his first pitch) why Scott instead of Kelly? In retrospect, Kelly didn’t have it either so it probably wouldn’t have mattered.

 

As for tired, the team just looked out of it last night. Weak swings, etc. They looked bad Saturday but that was a case of a pitcher just absolutely at his best. Lots of chances last night and hittable pitches in many cases. You can think the travel has nothing to do with it but this type of road trip is very taxing. 3 different time zones with never more than a few days in any one and crossing a total of 5 going back and forth. It is a factor.

 

I fully endorse this post.

[Kimmi]

The Sox have now lost 4 of their last 5 games against the AL Central.

[Station 13]

The Sox have now lost 4 of their last 5 games against the AL Central.

 

Nunez, JBJ, Swihart, Vazquez, Leon are the type of players those teams would employed. We have to find upgrades to two of those positions at the minimum.

[mvp 78]

Nunez, JBJ, Swihart, Vazquez, Leon are the type of players those teams would employed. We have to find upgrades to two of those positions at the minimum.

 

Red Sox:

 

29th in WAR for C

26th in WAR for 2b

24th in WAR for 3b

5th in WAR for CF

[Bellhorn04]

Red Sox:

 

5th in WAR for CF

 

JBJ's WAR is 0.2, so that must be coming from Beni's games in CF.

[mvp 78]

JBJ's WAR is 0.2, so that must be coming from Beni's games in CF.

 

Still counts!

[OH FOY]

Top 5 in AL or Majors? Who's the top 10? Thanks. ESPN has JBJ at 0.0 in WAR. You are correct 0.2 in WAR

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/position/cf/league/al

Edited June 20, 2018 by OH FOY!

[mvp 78]

Top 5 in AL or Majors? Who's the top 10? Thanks. ESPN has JBJ at 0.0 in WAR. You are correct 0.2 in WAR

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/position/cf/league/al

 

MLB son!

[Maxbialystock]

im sure max will come in and tell us cora managed this game to perfection, even though 99% of the site called scott coming in stupid before he even did anything bad.

 

Actually, if you read the posts starting on page 12, you will see pretty balanced comments before disaster struck. Scott is both experienced and good vs. lefty bats.

 

And let's not forget that disaster actually struck with Kelly in the game. When he went in, there was already 1 out with men on 1st and 2d, a situation which he has faced before--this year--and done well. No runs had scored.

[mvp 78]

@PeteAbe

 

#RedSox working with Eduardo Nunez on tag plays at 2B. Carlos Febles is hitting him one-hop groundballs to simulate throws. Pedroia is talking to him, too.