Who Should the Red Sox Trade For?

[notin]

All jokes aside, looking at the roster, I'm still very much in favor of LeMahieu

 

To the Colorado Rockies

 

Sam Travis (they need a 1B, and we have Ockimey ready to move up behind Travis)

 

Mike Shawaryn (low ceiling high floor prospect, no more than a depth starter here, but might crack Colorado's weak rotation in the next year or two)

 

And a random A baller, possibly CJ Chatham

 

To the Red Sox

 

DJ LeMahieu

 

Thoughts?

 

If I was GM of the Rockies, I might accept that deal, despite it's inclusion of Travis, who would not interest me. But Sharwyn and Chatham would. I might insist on a less MLB-ready, but higher upside A-baler in place of Travis. But it wouldn't be a deal-breaker.

 

Of course, it is also fairly easily topped by another team looking for a 2B.

 

Now would this same package get Dozier? Would it be worth asking? Or do you think LeMahieu, who has Coors-inflated numbers, but is a physical beast among 2Bmen, is the smarter option?

[mvp 78]

Best Postseason Pitchers:

 

Mathewson - leads ERA over 100 innings 0.97, most shutouts 4, most complete games 10 (1912-1913: 5 games 1 Win 3 Losses only 5 Earned Runs)

Pettitte - most innings 276.2, most wins 19 (benefits from all those Yankees teams and had an ERA of 3.81)

Smoltz - 2.67 ERA over 209 innings, 15 wins, 4 saves, most k's 199, 8.6 k/9 1.144 WHIP

Schilling - 2.23 ERA over 133 innings, 2 shutouts (tied for 6th), 8.1 k/9, 0.986 WHIP

Gibson - 1.89 ERA over 81 innings, 8 CG out of 9 starts, 10.2 k/9, 0.889 WHIP

Lester - 2.55 ERA over 148 innings, 7.5 k/9, 1.027 WHIP

Ford - 2.71 ERA over 146 innings, 3 shutouts (tied for 2nd) 5.8 k/9, 1.137 WHIP

Becket - 3.07 ERA over 93.2 innings, 3 shutouts (tied for 2nd) 9.5 k/9, 0.940 WHIP

Valenzuela - 1.98 ERA over 63.2 innings, 6.2 k/9, 1.225 WHIP

Hershiser - 2.59 ERA over 132 innings, 2 shutouts (tied for 6th) 6.6 k/9, 1.106 WHIP

Bumgarner - 2.11 ERA over 102.1 innings, 3 shutouts (tied for 2nd), 7.7 k/9, 0.899 WHIP

Palmer - 2.61 ERA over 124.1 innings, 4.5 k/9, 1.214 WHIP

McNally - 2.49 ERA over 90.1 innings, 6.5 k/9, 1.096 WHIP

Koufax - 0.95 ERA over 57 innings, 9.6 k/9, 0.825 WHIP

Ruffing - 2.63 ERA over 85.2 innings, 6.4 k/9, 1.179 WHIP

Hoyt - 1.83 ERA over 83.2 innings, 5.3 k/9, 1.231 WHIP

Plank - 1.32 ERA over 54.2 innings, 5.3 k/9, 0.878 WHIP

 

Out of that, I'd say my top 5 is Mathewson, Koufax, Gibson, Schilling and Bumgarner

 

Mathewson could be the greatest pitcher of all time, but I don't know how he'd translate after the dead ball era. Gibson and Koufax had fewer starts than Schilling, but those performances were otherworldly even when compared to other pitchers of their era. Bumgarner and Schilling are basically neck and neck, but I'd give Shilling the bump for now due to where Bumgarner pitches. My personal preference is for Koufax over Gibson even though Gibson went CG almost every time out. Having an ERA under 1 is just nasty.

 

Koufax

Gibson

Schilling

Bumgarner

Mathewson

[OH FOY]

Forgot about Bumgarner. What he did a couple of years ago, was the best for One Play-off run.

[notin]

Forgot about Bumgarner. What he did a couple of years ago, was the best for One Play-off run.

 

Hershiser in 1988 was about as dominant an anyone, especially given his opponent was the Bash Brothers..

[OH FOY]

Yeah agree, that was good one too.

[dgalehouse]

If the Sox can upgrade at second base without giving up too much , fine. But the priority should still be a late innings reliever. I would see what it takes to get Britton from Baltimore .

[bosoxmal]

Leave this team alone !!!

[OH FOY]

If the Sox can upgrade at second base without giving up too much , fine. But the priority should still be a late innings reliever. I would see what it takes to get Britton from Baltimore .

 

Agree, 2 Closers. 1 Kimbrel, the other? Close the 8th and 9th inning, in close games. We will be dangerous, including the most important the Play-offs. I would take the chance on Britton too.

Edited July 13, 2018 by OH FOY!

[Jack Flap]

If the Sox can upgrade at second base without giving up too much , fine. But the priority should still be a late innings reliever. I would see what it takes to get Britton from Baltimore .

 

I agree. And ideally, I'd like to see Lin and hopefully Phillips get a look before we even really think about trading for a second baseman.

[mvp 78]

I agree. And ideally, I'd like to see Lin and hopefully Phillips get a look before we even really think about trading for a second baseman.

 

Not much time to get Phillips any reps before the trade deadline.

[notin]

All jokes aside, looking at the roster, I'm still very much in favor of LeMahieu

 

To the Colorado Rockies

 

Sam Travis (they need a 1B, and we have Ockimey ready to move up behind Travis)

 

Mike Shawaryn (low ceiling high floor prospect, no more than a depth starter here, but might crack Colorado's weak rotation in the next year or two)

 

Tzu-Wei Lin, to replace the hole in their infield with a competent cost-controlled stop-gap

 

To the Red Sox

 

DJ LeMahieu

 

Thoughts?

 

You changed this proposal to one I would, if I was GM of the Rockies, reject without a counteroffer.

 

Chatham might not be the highest ceiling prospect, but at least he has potential. Lin is the type of player every team already has in their system. Essentially this trade boils down to LeMahieu for Sharwyn. Were I calling the shots for Colorado, I look elsewhere and likely succeed in getting a better offer..,

[fxkatt]

"Asdrubal Cabrera has a .280/.328/.485 slash line with 16 home runs. Although defensively Cabrera isn’t quite as good as Holt, he adds power to an already powerful lineup and gives the team more length." (Peter Devereux SB Nation)

 

He's in the last year of his Mets contract and at 32, the price would probably be much less than for LeMahieu.

[OH FOY]

Another thing to think about Cabrera, he has a .296 BA in Fenway. .292 against Lefties in his Career. Edited July 13, 2018 by OH FOY!

[mvp 78]

Another thing to think about Cabrera, he has a .296 BA in Fenway. .292 against Lefties in his Career.

 

It's actually 292 at Fenway (296 against the Sox) 788 OPS, 149 PA

[fxkatt]

Another thing to think about Cabrera, he has a .296 BA in Fenway. .292 against Lefties in his Career.

 

His switch-hitting might help also, as it wd free up Holt to play another position against righties.

 

Given he wd be a two-month plus rental, I guess the cost wd be pretty minimal (no top prospects--upside guys from the lower ranks)

[Natick to NC]

What kind of teammate is Cabrera ? He does seem to be a solid player .I would be ok with it.

[Natick to NC]

What's the word on Relief help ? A platoon of Cabrera and Philips plus reliever could be the way .

[Spudboy]

"Asdrubal Cabrera has a .280/.328/.485 slash line with 16 home runs. Although defensively Cabrera isn’t quite as good as Holt, he adds power to an already powerful lineup and gives the team more length." (Peter Devereux SB Nation)

 

He's in the last year of his Mets contract and at 32, the price would probably be much less than for LeMahieu.

 

We would need a comprehensive scouting report of Cabrera from a700 before I would sign on but he does seem to be okay at first glance. How much does he make and how long is his contract?

[cp176]

Best Postseason Pitchers:

 

Mathewson - leads ERA over 100 innings 0.97, most shutouts 4, most complete games 10 (1912-1913: 5 games 1 Win 3 Losses only 5 Earned Runs)

Pettitte - most innings 276.2, most wins 19 (benefits from all those Yankees teams and had an ERA of 3.81)

Smoltz - 2.67 ERA over 209 innings, 15 wins, 4 saves, most k's 199, 8.6 k/9 1.144 WHIP

Schilling - 2.23 ERA over 133 innings, 2 shutouts (tied for 6th), 8.1 k/9, 0.986 WHIP

Gibson - 1.89 ERA over 81 innings, 8 CG out of 9 starts, 10.2 k/9, 0.889 WHIP

Lester - 2.55 ERA over 148 innings, 7.5 k/9, 1.027 WHIP

Ford - 2.71 ERA over 146 innings, 3 shutouts (tied for 2nd) 5.8 k/9, 1.137 WHIP

Becket - 3.07 ERA over 93.2 innings, 3 shutouts (tied for 2nd) 9.5 k/9, 0.940 WHIP

Valenzuela - 1.98 ERA over 63.2 innings, 6.2 k/9, 1.225 WHIP

Hershiser - 2.59 ERA over 132 innings, 2 shutouts (tied for 6th) 6.6 k/9, 1.106 WHIP

Bumgarner - 2.11 ERA over 102.1 innings, 3 shutouts (tied for 2nd), 7.7 k/9, 0.899 WHIP

Palmer - 2.61 ERA over 124.1 innings, 4.5 k/9, 1.214 WHIP

McNally - 2.49 ERA over 90.1 innings, 6.5 k/9, 1.096 WHIP

Koufax - 0.95 ERA over 57 innings, 9.6 k/9, 0.825 WHIP

Ruffing - 2.63 ERA over 85.2 innings, 6.4 k/9, 1.179 WHIP

Hoyt - 1.83 ERA over 83.2 innings, 5.3 k/9, 1.231 WHIP

Plank - 1.32 ERA over 54.2 innings, 5.3 k/9, 0.878 WHIP

 

Out of that, I'd say my top 5 is Mathewson, Koufax, Gibson, Schilling and Bumgarner

 

Mathewson could be the greatest pitcher of all time, but I don't know how he'd translate after the dead ball era. Gibson and Koufax had fewer starts than Schilling, but those performances were otherworldly even when compared to other pitchers of their era. Bumgarner and Schilling are basically neck and neck, but I'd give Shilling the bump for now due to where Bumgarner pitches. My personal preference is for Koufax over Gibson even though Gibson went CG almost every time out. Having an ERA under 1 is just nasty.

 

Koufax

Gibson

Schilling

Bumgarner

Mathewson

 

i think the post season format has changed so dramatically that this is crapshoot for sure. so many more games.

 

mathewson

koufax

gibson

hershiser

ford/palmer

[harmony]

I fully expect the Sox to work hard to get something done with Bogaerts. Even at his worst he's been a solid shortstop and he has the potential for so much more.

In June 2017 Seattle shortstop Jean Segura was one-plus years away from free agency when the 2018 All Star signed a five-year, $70 million extension with the Mariners with a $17 million team option for a sixth year.

 

Boston shortstop Xander Bogaerts, who is two-and-a-half years younger than Segura, is one-plus years away from free agency.

 

Segura has posted 15.0 fWAR in 844 career games, including 3.1 fWAR and 2.9 bWAR in 87 games this season. Segura had posted about 11 fWAR in 675 games when he signed the extension in June 2017.

 

Bogaerts has posted 15.9 fWAR in 699 games, including 2.9 fWAR and 2.0 bWAR in 76 games this season.

 

Bogaerts and Segura each had a monster 2016 season. Since the start of that season, Bogaerts has posted 11.1 fWAR in 381 games while Segura has posted 11.1 fWAR in 365 games:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0&team=&rost=&age=&filter=&players=

 

I doubt Bogaerts and agent Scott Boras will agree to an extension, certainly not a five-year, $70 million extension.

Edited July 13, 2018 by harmony

[Spudboy]

i think the post season format has changed so dramatically that this is crapshoot for sure. so many more games.

 

mathewson

koufax

gibson

hershiser

ford/palmer

 

I never saw Kaufax , Ford ( although I think I met him ), or Mathewson.

 

Of the pitcher I did see:

 

Gibson

Blue

Perdo

Roger

 

Honorable mention for a dozen guys particularly Denny McClain.

[fxkatt]

We would need a comprehensive scouting report of Cabrera from a700 before I would sign on but he does seem to be okay at first glance. How much does he make and how long is his contract?

 

His salary is 8.2 million so we would pay him about 2.6 mill I would estimate. As to what kind to teammate, no problem there... a leader and hard-nosed player.. he also switched from third to second to accommodate

Todd Frazier this season.

[a700hitter]

We would need a comprehensive scouting report of Cabrera from a700 before I would sign on but he does seem to be okay at first glance. How much does he make and how long is his contract?

I like his bat. He is tough under pressure, and he is a pretty good second baseman. He's no Pedey around the bag, but he is much better than Nunez. His knees are really creaky. Sometimes he twists a little too much coming out of the box and he is hobbled pretty badly. I have seen him come out of games in such instances. He is usually back in the lineup the following day, but I keep wondering how long it will be before one of his knees lock up. If the price is right, I'd take the risk on him.

[Natick to NC]

Sam looks grounded up there .Nice at bat

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Cabrera makes a lot of sense for the Red Sox. Who loses their roster position if the Red Sox acquire Cabrera? Nunez or do you keep Nunez around as a bench guy?

 

When everyone is healthy, including Vazquez, your bench is (with Cabrera as the starter at 2b):

 

Pearce

Swihart

Holt

Nunez

Vazquez

 

The Red Sox will not go into October with a five man bench. Of course, this problem will likely sort itself out, i.e., someone else will get hurt. If everyone is healthy, Nunez or Swihart lose their roster spot.

 

Not only does Cabrera make sense this year, the Red Sox might want to resign him in the offseason.

Edited July 13, 2018 by Fan_since_Boggs

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

i think the post season format has changed so dramatically that this is crapshoot for sure. so many more games.

 

mathewson

koufax

gibson

hershiser

ford/palmer

 

When I compare Koufax with Gibson, I take the easy way out by saying that Koufax was the best LH I'd ever seen and Gibson was the best RH I'd ever seen.

Edited July 14, 2018 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Best Postseason Pitchers:

 

Mathewson - leads ERA over 100 innings 0.97, most shutouts 4, most complete games 10 (1912-1913: 5 games 1 Win 3 Losses only 5 Earned Runs)

Pettitte - most innings 276.2, most wins 19 (benefits from all those Yankees teams and had an ERA of 3.81)

Smoltz - 2.67 ERA over 209 innings, 15 wins, 4 saves, most k's 199, 8.6 k/9 1.144 WHIP

Schilling - 2.23 ERA over 133 innings, 2 shutouts (tied for 6th), 8.1 k/9, 0.986 WHIP

Gibson - 1.89 ERA over 81 innings, 8 CG out of 9 starts, 10.2 k/9, 0.889 WHIP

Lester - 2.55 ERA over 148 innings, 7.5 k/9, 1.027 WHIP

Ford - 2.71 ERA over 146 innings, 3 shutouts (tied for 2nd) 5.8 k/9, 1.137 WHIP

Becket - 3.07 ERA over 93.2 innings, 3 shutouts (tied for 2nd) 9.5 k/9, 0.940 WHIP

Valenzuela - 1.98 ERA over 63.2 innings, 6.2 k/9, 1.225 WHIP

Hershiser - 2.59 ERA over 132 innings, 2 shutouts (tied for 6th) 6.6 k/9, 1.106 WHIP

Bumgarner - 2.11 ERA over 102.1 innings, 3 shutouts (tied for 2nd), 7.7 k/9, 0.899 WHIP

Palmer - 2.61 ERA over 124.1 innings, 4.5 k/9, 1.214 WHIP

McNally - 2.49 ERA over 90.1 innings, 6.5 k/9, 1.096 WHIP

Koufax - 0.95 ERA over 57 innings, 9.6 k/9, 0.825 WHIP

Ruffing - 2.63 ERA over 85.2 innings, 6.4 k/9, 1.179 WHIP

Hoyt - 1.83 ERA over 83.2 innings, 5.3 k/9, 1.231 WHIP

Plank - 1.32 ERA over 54.2 innings, 5.3 k/9, 0.878 WHIP

 

Out of that, I'd say my top 5 is Mathewson, Koufax, Gibson, Schilling and Bumgarner

 

Mathewson could be the greatest pitcher of all time, but I don't know how he'd translate after the dead ball era. Gibson and Koufax had fewer starts than Schilling, but those performances were otherworldly even when compared to other pitchers of their era. Bumgarner and Schilling are basically neck and neck, but I'd give Shilling the bump for now due to where Bumgarner pitches. My personal preference is for Koufax over Gibson even though Gibson went CG almost every time out. Having an ERA under 1 is just nasty.

 

Koufax

Gibson

Schilling

Bumgarner

Mathewson

 

Very well researched post. Thank you.

[cp176]

When I compare Koufax with Gibson, I take the easy way out by saying that Koufax was the best LH I'd ever seen and Gibson was the best RH I'd ever seen.

 

That is a great way to look at it.

[cp176]

I never saw Kaufax , Ford ( although I think I met him ), or Mathewson.

 

Of the pitcher I did see:

 

Gibson

Blue

Perdo

Roger

 

Honorable mention for a dozen guys particularly Denny McClain.

 

 

I grew up watching Koufax. You are a real good baseball guy and I would be willing to bet that your list would start off with Koufax and Gibson in either order. I have not seen a better pitcher than Sandy in his prime.

[Slasher9]

For a 1 game postseason start I would roll my dice with schilling....