Who Should the Red Sox Trade For?

[OH FOY]

Lowrie is doing some unreal stuff this season, which wont be lost on Beane.

.323 with RISP

.476 with 2 outs and RISP....WOW!

I think Beane is going to ask for more then many think, he knows Lowrie should keep you under the Luxury Tax by July 31, and if he keeps hitting like he is doing, Beane will ask for more.

Trey Ball wont be on his list.

Edited June 21, 2018 by OH FOY!

[SoxnCycles]

After watching that big bag of suck last night, I'm in. Trade Kimbrel for Lowrie.

[Jack Flap]

I'm ready to trade JBJ ,Holt ,Nunez ,Mitch ,Barnes ,Swihart ,Sandy ,Pom ,Beeks ,at this point for Scooter Genette

 

 

What would be your reaction if some other team offered us a hodgepodge of underperforming and/or unwanted veterans, relievers, and bench players for, say, Benintendi or Betts?

[moonslav59]

To me, too many people assume that what a player has done for a few weeks is what they will continue to do.

 

I'm not saying Lowrie won't continue to blow Nunez/Holt away, but I certainly think the gap closing will be a strong possibility this summer.

 

Lowrie is too weak vs lefties for me to jump on his bandwagon just yet. Maybe in 5 weeks my mind will be changed.

[notin]

Lowrie is doing some unreal stuff this season, which wont be lost on Beane.

.323 with RISP

.476 with 2 outs and RISP....WOW!

I think Beane is going to ask for more then many think, he knows Lowrie should keep you under the Luxury Tax by July 31, and if he keeps hitting like he is doing, Beane will ask for more.

Trey Ball wont be on his list.

 

Arguably unsustainable stuff.

 

Beane does typically trade for young MLB players with a lot of control or, if he takes prospects, they must be ready for MLB.

 

So while Ball might not be on his wish list, Beeks might be. Not sure if Beeks is enough, but then Lowrie is a rental....

[mvp 78]

Arguably unsustainable stuff.

 

Beane does typically trade for young MLB players with a lot of control or, if he takes prospects, they must be ready for MLB.

 

So while Ball might not be on his wish list, Beeks might be. Not sure if Beeks is enough, but then Lowrie is a rental....

 

Beeks, Buttrey and Lin? That's a lot for a 3 month rental of a injury prone player.

[notin]

Beeks, Buttrey and Lin? That's a lot for a 3 month rental of a injury prone player.

 

Think Beeks straight up for Lowrie makes sense for both team

[Emp9]

9 for 1. Yeah , that oughta work.

 

It was pretty funny tho;) hahaha

[moonslav59]

How about Beeks, Chavis, Lakins and Hembree for Lowrie & Treinen?

[harmony]

Beeks, Buttrey and Lin? That's a lot for a 3 month rental of a injury prone player.

Jed Lowrie has posted 5.8 fWAR, valued at $46.4 million, over the last nine months of baseball, playing in 225 of Oakland's 236 games:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4418&position=2B/SS#value

 

MLB Prospect Watch ranks 24-year-old Jalen Beeks 15th, 25-year-old Ty Buttery 27th and 24-year-old Tzu-Wei Lin unranked in a lightly regarded Red Sox farm system:

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018?list=bos

[harmony]

How about Beeks, Chavis, Lakins and Hembree for Lowrie & Treinen?

Because the San Diego Padres reportedly are seeking a Rafael Devers-level player for closer Brad Hand*, let's compare Hand and Blake Treinen.

 

Treinen, who turns 30 years old later this month, remains under team control through 2020 working off a 2018 salary of $2.15 million.

 

Brad Hand, 28, is owed about $16.5 million through 2020 with a $10 million team option, or $1 million buyout, for 2021.

 

Treinen has posted 1.5 fWAR in 28 appearances this season while Hand has posted 0.4 fWAR in 34 appearances this year.

 

ZiPS, Steamer and FanGraphs Depth Charts project rest-of-season WAR of 0.6, 0.5 and 0.8 for Trienen and 0.6, 0.6 and 0.9 for Hand.

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=12572&position=P

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=9111&position=P

 

One could argue that Treinen has more trade value than Hand. I doubt the uninspiring package of Jalen Beeks, Michael Chavis, Travis Lakins and Heath Hembree (who will be arbitration eligible next offseason) would be enough to land Treinen alone, much less the closer and Jed Lowrie.

 

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Edited June 22, 2018 by harmony

[moonslav59]

Because the San Diego Padres reportedly are seeking a Rafael Devers-level player for closer Brad Hand*, let's compare Hand and Blake Treinen.

 

Treinen, who turns 30 years old later this month, remains under team control through 2020 working off a 2018 salary of $2.15 million.

 

Brad Hand, 28, is owed about $16.5 million through 2020 with a $10 million team option or $1 million buyout.

 

Treinen has posted 1.5 fWAR in 28 appearances this season while Hand has posted 0.4 fWAR in 34 appearances this year.

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=12572&position=P

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=9111&position=P

 

ZiPS, Steamer and FanGraphs Depth Charts project rest-of-season WAR of 0.6, 0.5 and 0.8 for Trienen and 0.6, 0.6 and 0.9 for Hand.

 

One could argue that Treinen has more trade value than Hand. I doubt the uninspiring package of Jalen Beeks, Michael Chavis, Travis Lakins and Heath Hembree (who will be arbitration eligible next offseason) would be enough to land Treinen alone, much less the closer and Jed Lowrie.

 

*

 

The Padres are not getting a player like Devers for Hand.

 

BTW, I like how you always selectively choose your sample size for the maximum effect.

[harmony]

The Padres are not getting a player like Devers for Hand.

 

BTW, I like how you always selectively choose your sample size for the maximum effect.

I immediately provided the projections that are based on the large sample of career numbers.

[moonslav59]

I immediately provided the projections that are based on the large sample of career numbers.

 

I just read your words.

 

No mention of career disparity.

[jacksonianmarch]

I wonder if a guy like Asdrubal Cabrera would be a target for the sox. He won't cost much, will bring in some vet leadership and a steady albeit unspectacular bat from the 2b or 3b position. I would also wonder if Detroit would sell high on frequent DFA candidate Leonys Martin, who is playing very well in CF for them and is a FA at season's end. In terms of C, Nick Hundley is a FA at season's end and has been very solid behind the dish for SF. I anticipate the sox will get one or more of these guys to bolster the bottom of the order

[moonslav59]

I wonder if a guy like Asdrubal Cabrera would be a target for the sox. He won't cost much, will bring in some vet leadership and a steady albeit unspectacular bat from the 2b or 3b position. I would also wonder if Detroit would sell high on frequent DFA candidate Leonys Martin, who is playing very well in CF for them and is a FA at season's end. In terms of C, Nick Hundley is a FA at season's end and has been very solid behind the dish for SF. I anticipate the sox will get one or more of these guys to bolster the bottom of the order

 

Martin sucks vs LHPs.

 

Hundley might be a nice get, but expecting him to continue over .800 is probably unrealistic. Besides, I doubt DD sees our catchers as a weakness, and our catchers have hit pretty well recently. Our catcher OPS ranks 13th in MLB the last 30 days (5th in AL). Tied for 15th in catcher WAR,

 

Cabrera would have to come with cash (or we'd have to dump salary elsewhere), or he'd put us over the max penalty line.

Edited June 22, 2018 by moonslav59

[harmony]

I just read your words.

 

No mention of career disparity.

As included in the provided links, Blake Treinen has posted 4.3 fWAR (5.9 bWAR) in 296 career innings while Brad Hand has posted 3.4 fWAR (4.9 bWAR) in 494.1 career innings.

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=12572&position=P

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=9111&position=P

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/treinbl01.shtml

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/handbr01.shtml

[moonslav59]

As included in the provided links, Blake Treinen has posted 4.3 fWAR (5.9 bWAR) in 296 career innings while Brad Hand has posted 3.4 fWAR (4.9 bWAR) in 494.1 career innings.

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=12572&position=P

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=9111&position=P

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/treinbl01.shtml

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/handbr01.shtml

 

I doubt anyone clicks the links.

 

None of your words suggested the larger picture.

 

You made your point based on 2018.

 

I'm not doubting my offer might have been light, but Treinen will not come close to the haul of Hand, unless the money becomes a factor.

[harmony]

I'm not doubting my offer might have been light, but Treinen will not come close to the haul of Hand, unless the money becomes a factor.

On what do you base that conclusion?

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/athletics/making-case-blake-treinen-baseballs-most-valuable-closer

 

Blake Treinen, Brad Hand top relievers for May

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Oakland's Blake Treinen and San Diego's Brad Hand were honored for their May performances as The Hartford American League and National League Relievers of the Month on Saturday.Since arriving in Oakland in a trade with the Nationals last July, Treinen has excelled pitching out of the A's bullpen. This season,

[Emp9]

Gsellman from the Mets makes more sense. He’s only just started closing for them this season w/ 3 career saves. Offer some minor league hitters and make sure 1 of them is a catcher. Maybe you throw in Swihart on the deal. He wouldn’t be a rental. Gsellman is arb eligible 2020, so he wouldn’t put us over either. I’d offer a nice package for him, but he still might be over-kill on what we need to upgrade our BP.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Mets won’t move him unless they’re blown away. They’re relying on him to close long term. I don’t think Familia is long for Queens

[Maxbialystock]

Gsellman from the Mets makes more sense. He’s only just started closing for them this season w/ 3 career saves. Offer some minor league hitters and make sure 1 of them is a catcher. Maybe you throw in Swihart on the deal. He wouldn’t be a rental. Gsellman is arb eligible 2020, so he wouldn’t put us over either. I’d offer a nice package for him, but he still might be over-kill on what we need to upgrade our BP.

 

He's already pitched more innings and in more games than anyone in our bullpen. I don't see him as a shot in the arm.

[Emp9]

He's already pitched more innings and in more games than anyone in our bullpen. I don't see him as a shot in the arm.

 

1) He’s a former SP. 2) He’s pitched 43 Innings. Hand has pitched 37 Innings. You’re saying 6 Innings is the camel-breaker? Really?

[Emp9]

The Mets won’t move him unless they’re blown away. They’re relying on him to close long term. I don’t think Familia is long for Queens

 

I’m just saying he’d make more sense. I’m sure it would take a lot, not sure we’d even have the pieces to make the trade. I’d have to look.

[moonslav59]

On what do you base that conclusion?

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/athletics/making-case-blake-treinen-baseballs-most-valuable-closer

 

Blake Treinen, Brad Hand top relievers for May

WWW.MLB.COM

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Oakland's Blake Treinen and San Diego's Brad Hand were honored for their May performances as The Hartford American League and National League Relievers of the Month on Saturday.Since arriving in Oakland in a trade with the Nationals last July, Treinen has excelled pitching out of the A's bullpen. This season,

 

many RP'er have stretches of greatness. Not that many are consistently good like Hand.

 

GMs know this.

[notin]

many RP'er have stretches of greatness. Not that many are consistently good like Hand.

 

GMs know this.

 

The asking price for Had has been outrageous since his name started appearing in baseball blogs. He isn't coming to Boston.

 

If the Sox add a reliever, I expect them to go get someone like they did last year with Addison Reed. Nate Jones, maybe? Tony Barnette?

[moonslav59]

The asking price for Had has been outrageous since his name started appearing in baseball blogs. He isn't coming to Boston.

 

If the Sox add a reliever, I expect them to go get someone like they did last year with Addison Reed. Nate Jones, maybe? Tony Barnette?

 

I agree. I seriously doubt we go large anywhere.

 

Last year, it was Fister (off waivers), Reed, Nunez and R Davis.

 

I expect something similar to that this year, but it might just be one or two players depending on the salary costs.

[harmony]

many RP'er have stretches of greatness. Not that many are consistently good like Hand.

 

GMs know this.

Brad Hand has a career ERA+ of 102, including 161 in 205.2 innings over the past three seasons. Hand has a career fWAR of 3.4, including 3.6 (4.6 bWAR) over the past three seasons.

 

Blake Treinen has a career ERA+ of 139, including 155 in 177.2 innings over the past three seasons. Treinen has a career fWAR of 4.3, including 3.3 (4.7 bWAR) over the past three seasons.

 

General managers know that.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/handbr01.shtml

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/treinbl01.shtml

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/handbr01.shtml

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/treinbl01.shtml

[CharlieWhigg]

brad hand has a career era+ of 102, including 161 in 205.2 innings over the past three seasons. Hand has a career fwar of 3.4, including 3.6 (4.6 bwar) over the past three seasons.

 

Blake treinen has a career era+ of 139, including 155 in 177.2 innings over the past three seasons. Treinen has a career fwar of 4.3, including 3.3 (4.7 bwar) over the past three seasons.

 

General managers know that.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/handbr01.shtml

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/treinbl01.shtml

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/handbr01.shtml

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/treinbl01.shtml

 

oooooooooh s***

[Carpin]

Brad Hand has a career ERA+ of 102, including 161 in 205.2 innings over the past three seasons. Hand has a career fWAR of 3.4, including 3.6 (4.6 bWAR) over the past three seasons.

 

Blake Treinen has a career ERA+ of 139, including 155 in 177.2 innings over the past three seasons. Treinen has a career fWAR of 4.3, including 3.3 (4.7 bWAR) over the past three seasons.

 

General managers know that.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/handbr01.shtml

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/treinbl01.shtml

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/handbr01.shtml

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/treinbl01.shtml

 

You should look at Joakim Soria, he could be an interesting option

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriajo01.shtml