David Price velocity thread

[MADSTORK]

This thread should be called the "David Price whinefest" thread. Jesus Christ.

 

You better hope Jesus speaks to the diva and convinces him to opt out.

 

After the way he spoke of Ortiz years ago he should never have been brought to Boston!

 

That is a fact and the facts are undisputed

[User Name]

Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

[fxkatt]

Someone earlier said that surgery for CTS is no big deal. Maybe not, but the recovery time, esp for major league pitcher, could be months long.

 

Maybe he should have played these video games with his right hand.

[Sox75]

This thread should be called the "David Price whinefest" thread. Jesus Christ.

 

Of course should, & for good reason.

 

The Sox blew their wad in signing this 'ace' to an historic SP contract. Many of us lost our minds, arguing that a Price contract was insanely overpriced, and that he was already in decline. We knew this latest INSANE contract was terrible on numerous fronts. Not only were we getting a grossly overpriced SP in decline, but we were also giving away an almost guaranteed up & coming SOON TO BE All-Star, and blowing up yearly payrolls for years to come.

 

Turns out it's been far worse than the ney-sayers even dreamed. We knew he wasn't a reliable ace, but even we could not imagine that he'd so quickly become a SHYTE #5.

 

Secondarily, but equally important, it's ALWAYS SOMETHING with this guy. The excuse making never stops with this guy. It's one nebulous 'injury' after another.....

 

Add to all this, Price's negative attitudes toward Boston, Boston fans, Boston Sports Media, et al., and it seems clear we've busted the budget for SHYTE malcontent excuse making guy in decline.

 

 

*** So, does this justify a 'whine-fest' thread about Price? HELL YEH IT DOES!!!

 

Am I still hoping he pulls a FULL John Lackey comeback? Of course!! ! Will we root like hell for him at every return? Hell yeh!!!!

 

All while reserving the right to 'BITCH' a bit about the never ending ******** with this guy??? YEP! Sorry! Gotta have an outlet. Just how we deal with s*** contracts.

[SoxnCycles]

Carpal Tunnel Syndrome = dodging the Yankees series.

i would still rather have Clay on my team than this dude.....

 

C,mon, Slasher.

Cut Price some slack!

Fortnight isn't going to play itself.

[S5Dewey]

Well, that's kind of harsh. DD did what he had to do - he signed a pitcher whom it looked like was the best pitcher available at the time, Ya, he had some downsides but so did everyone else who was anywhere near available. My personal problems were that he hadn't proven that he can win big games and that ridiculous opt-out clause that had no upside for the Sox.

 

Did it bite the team on the ass? It sure did, but in all fairness I'd probably have done the same thing, except for the opt-out.

[Sox75]

This thread should be called the "David Price whinefest" thread. Jesus Christ.

 

Well, that's kind of harsh. DD did what he had to do - he signed a pitcher whom it looked like was the best pitcher available at the time, Ya, he had some downsides but so did everyone else who was anywhere near available. My personal problems were that he hadn't proven that he can win big games and that ridiculous opt-out clause that had no upside for the Sox.

 

Did it bite the team on the ass? It sure did, but in all fairness I'd probably have done the same thing, except for the opt-out.

 

 

Not withstanding my above RANT, I for the most part appreciate this point of view. Even though I hated the contract & giving away the key up & coming prospect, it was clear we needed pitching in the worst way after letting go Lester, Lackey, & others.

 

So, I was reluctantly happy to be getting an 'ace.' A good pitcher at the very least.

 

Unfortunately, the deal turns out to be so much worse than ever anticipated.....

 

Hence . . . . Let the 'WHINE-FEST' begin! Get it out of our systems, & move on . . .

[Slasher9]

And your arm gets really sore the second you pick up the gun.

 

ahahaha. +2 points.

[Slasher9]

This thread should be called the "David Price whinefest" thread. Jesus Christ.

 

maybe. or you can just say i was 100% correct the past 2 years. but please, continue to defend price. it is kind of funny....

[Slasher9]

C,mon, Slasher.

Cut Price some slack!

Fortnight isn't going to play itself.

hahahaha. it is kind of addicting. now i feel bad for price. with his carpal tunnel he probably cant continue ranking up in season 4 of fortnite.

[notin]

Well, that's kind of harsh. DD did what he had to do - he signed a pitcher whom it looked like was the best pitcher available at the time, Ya, he had some downsides but so did everyone else who was anywhere near available. My personal problems were that he hadn't proven that he can win big games and that ridiculous opt-out clause that had no upside for the Sox.

 

Did it bite the team on the ass? It sure did, but in all fairness I'd probably have done the same thing, except for the opt-out.

 

The opt out clause was the only positive to the deal. While it did mean that they would lose Price if he was effective for 3 years, it also mitigated the risk of an entire 7 year contract. We only have Sale for 3 seasons, and he is younger than Price. So only having Price for 3 seasons would probaby have been a good thing.

 

The Price deal would have been fantastic if Price stayed healthy and pitched like he has been capable for the past 2 seasons.

 

But as of now, the opt out clause is completely irrelevant and has no positive or negative repercussions. Unless for some reason Price actually chooses to opt out anyway, although his agent will definitely be screaming at him not to. (And since he hired his agent for the advice he gets on these matters, he is not likely to ignore it.).

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Actually, the Red Sox would be better off if Price misses one or two complete seasons. I'm assuming they took out insurance on his contract and the insurance will likely cover 70-80% of the costs of the contract if Prices misses a full season. I would rather see Price miss a full season than spend a season going on and off the DL and pretty much sucking crap whenever he pitches.

 

It is like the Mets with David Wright. Wright isn't going to retire until his contract is up and since he misses full seasons, the insurance company is paying out a high percentage of his contract, saving the Mets money.

[notin]

Actually, the Red Sox would be better off if Price misses one or two complete seasons. I'm assuming they took out insurance on his contract and the insurance will likely cover 70-80% of the costs of the contract if Prices misses a full season. I would rather see Price miss a full season than spend a season going on and off the DL and pretty much sucking crap whenever he pitches.

 

It is like the Mets with David Wright. Wright isn't going to retire until his contract is up and since he misses full seasons, the insurance company is paying out a high percentage of his contract, saving the Mets money.

 

But even if that is the case, it only works out if Price is able to return and be somewhat effective.

 

Even if the insurance covers the contract, that only affects John Henry's bank account, and probably not by all that much percentage-wise. Price still counts against the luxury tax thresholds regardless of who signs the checks, and his contract limits the Sox' ability to replace him when he is unavailable to pitch. Or to upgrade anywhere else and possibly to retain key younger players...

[S5Dewey]

The opt out clause was the only positive to the deal. While it did mean that they would lose Price if he was effective for 3 years, it also mitigated the risk of an entire 7 year contract. We only have Sale for 3 seasons, and he is younger than Price. So only having Price for 3 seasons would probaby have been a good thing.

 

The Price deal would have been fantastic if Price stayed healthy and pitched like he has been capable for the past 2 seasons.

 

But as of now, the opt out clause is completely irrelevant and has no positive or negative repercussions. Unless for some reason Price actually chooses to opt out anyway, although his agent will definitely be screaming at him not to. (And since he hired his agent for the advice he gets on these matters, he is not likely to ignore it.).

 

All true... in 2018, but we didn't know how Price would look in 2018. There were only two possibilities - that Price would do well or he wouldn't.

 

If he did well - pitched like he did in 2016 (230 innings, 17 wins, ERA of 4) he's be opting out, leaving the Sox having to fill those innings, etc. with another pitcher who is 1) a gamble, because every pitcher is to some degree, and 2) possibly having to pay more to get it because pitcher's salaries continue to escalate.

 

If he did poorly or was even mediocre (2017...74 innings, 6 wins and a 3.38 ERA) - and no matter how you slice it 74 innings isn't worth the money he's getting, regardless of his stats - we're stuck with him and his $30M year for subpar performance. The only thing that's changed is that we're getting essentially NO performance.

 

I saw no upside then and I see no upside now.

 

I hated the contract but was optimistic that he'd at least pitch well during our "window" and we'd worry about his opting out after he did it, but IMO he was our best shot at Rings.

[notin]

All true... in 2018, but we didn't know how Price would look in 2018. There were only two possibilities - that Price would do well or he wouldn't.

 

If he did well - pitched like he did in 2016 (230 innings, 17 wins, ERA of 4) he's be opting out, leaving the Sox having to fill those innings, etc. with another pitcher who is 1) a gamble, because every pitcher is to some degree, and 2) possibly having to pay more to get it because pitcher's salaries continue to escalate.

 

If he did poorly or was even mediocre (2017...74 innings, 6 wins and a 3.38 ERA) - and no matter how you slice it 74 innings isn't worth the money he's getting, regardless of his stats - we're stuck with him and his $30M year for subpar performance. The only thing that's changed is that we're getting essentially NO performance.

 

I saw no upside then and I see no upside now.

 

I hated the contract but was optimistic that he'd at least pitch well during our "window" and we'd worry about his opting out after he did it, but IMO he was our best shot at Rings.

 

There is how we view things differently. I was hoping he would pitch well and opt out. In no way was he going to be worth that kind of money for the entire 7 years at his age. Not sure any pitcher has even been that good for that long at his age. The opt out was the only saving grace to that potential albatross. Take the 3 good years and wish him luck.

 

But the combination of his health, his performance and the downturn of the free agent market last year have made his return as certain as death and taxes...

[illinoisredsox]

The thing is, if healthy, he is still very good (witness his first two starts this season, or his work in the postseason last year with virtually no rehab to build up any sort of arm strength).

 

Yes, I know that's a big if. But do we really want to put our hopes in Steven Wright or Hector Velazquez as a starter? It might come to that, but the best thing for the Sox is a healthy Price.

[Slasher9]

during that off season i was praying and begging for DD to sign Cueto instead of price. once price was signed i was in the "please pitch like an ace and opt out after year 3" camp. after the first half season in a sox uniform when he looked more like clay buchholz than a $217MM stud ace pitcher i predicted the price contract will do down as the worst ever.

there is zero chance he opts out.

question - if a player is nailed for steroids 3 times and gets the permanent ban - does the contract become void and $$ no longer applies to payroll?

if so, could be time to start rubbing him down with some cream & clear....

[Bellhorn04]

Actually, the Red Sox would be better off if Price misses one or two complete seasons. I'm assuming they took out insurance on his contract and the insurance will likely cover 70-80% of the costs of the contract if Prices misses a full season. I would rather see Price miss a full season than spend a season going on and off the DL and pretty much sucking crap whenever he pitches.

 

It is like the Mets with David Wright. Wright isn't going to retire until his contract is up and since he misses full seasons, the insurance company is paying out a high percentage of his contract, saving the Mets money.

 

There's no insurance on Price's contract. This was discussed here some time back. The Sox hardly ever take out insurance because-surprise, surprise-the premiums are prohibitively expensive.

[notin]

The thing is, if healthy, he is still very good (witness his first two starts this season, or his work in the postseason last year with virtually no rehab to build up any sort of arm strength).

 

Yes, I know that's a big if. But do we really want to put our hopes in Steven Wright or Hector Velazquez as a starter? It might come to that, but the best thing for the Sox is a healthy Price.

 

A healthy Price would be a very good thing.

 

But in the event that he is going to be an oft-injured pitcher with a lot of nagging injuries here and there, I wonder (re: doubt) if the Sox would consider moving him to the closer role for the remainder of his deal after Kimbrel departs. Certainly he is overpaid for the role. But he is also overpaid for a guy with an ERA over 5.00 and a WHIP of 1.40.

 

He will be tough to replace in the rotation. In theory. Honestly, how much would it cost to replace his 0.5 fWAR through 7 starts? Jason Hammel is doing it right now for an AAV of less than a quarter of Price's cost...

[User Name]

maybe. or you can just say i was 100% correct the past 2 years. but please, continue to defend price. it is kind of funny....

 

Are you genetically wired to be an insufferable *******? Honest question.

[jacksonianmarch]

Are you genetically wired to be an insufferable *******? Honest question.

 

We missed the wit around here

[Bellhorn04]

We missed the wit around here

 

LOL User Name can be harsh.

[Slasher9]

Are you genetically wired to be an insufferable *******? Honest question.

 

Sorry, can’t give a full answer because my carpal tunnel has kicked in and my fingers are tingly....let me get back to you after the Yankees series when my “injury” will be magically healed when we are in Toronto.

[FredLynn]

We missed the wit around here

 

I don't think he was trying to be funny.

[User Name]

Sorry, can’t give a full answer because my carpal tunnel has kicked in and my fingers are tingly....let me get back to you after the Yankees series when my “injury” will be magically healed when we are in Toronto.

 

You're also not very witty or funny, which is apropos considering the current line of conversation.

[Slasher9]

You're also not very witty or funny, which is apropos considering the current line of conversation.

 

If you say so!

[Spudboy]

Are you genetically wired to be an insufferable *******? Honest question.

 

We missed the wit around here

 

Sure did.

[Spudboy]

LOL User Name can be harsh.

 

He can eviscerate anyone on this board and will do so with enough provocation. I don't always condone it but it is usually justified.

 

He is smarter than most of us, too.

[Sox75]

Sorry, can’t give a full answer because my carpal tunnel has kicked in and my fingers are tingly....let me get back to you after the Yankees series when my “injury” will be magically healed when we are in Toronto.

 

Sorry... This is pretty funny.

 

I haven't read what started this brew haha, but THIS is funny.

 

Now, can Slasher be an insufferable *******? Sure.

 

But it's also tough to trust Tricky Dick??

 

Whatever the case in this dustup, Price is most definitely a MAJOR pain in the arss. As I've said before, he is EXACTLY LIKE that guy you golf with, who whenever his game falls apart, starts talking about all these "injuries....."

 

At least with that dickhead, you can poke fun at him, have another beer, and laugh your ass off at him with the boys at the 19th.

 

Price is not that funny, and he clearly hates Boston, The Boston Sports Media, and Boston Red Sox fans. I'm kinda done with him.

 

p.s. Pricey, time to put your mouth where your money is opt out, & go show ******* Boston fans what you are really worth!

Edited May 11, 2018 by Sox75

[vjcsmoke]

So apparently David Price has been diagnosed with Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. But he's still gonna pitch against the Blue Jays. *shrugs*

 

Well David, if you clicked on less porn, and worked on your arm more, maybe you wouldn't be in this pickle?!