Fire alex cora

[Duran Is The Man]

If they don't make any very serious moves, they won't have to ever worry about firing Alex Cora. He'll be offered a contract from somebody else that financially he won't refuse. He'll simply walk away and go to a franchise that has a commitment to win.

 

good point. i'm sure he's as pissed as anybody at leadership's utter and complete failure to upgrade the team.

[notin]

good point. i'm sure he's as pissed as anybody at leadership's utter and complete failure to upgrade the team.

 

I thought they were giving Cora a bigger role in that regard…

[Duran Is The Man]

I thought they were giving Cora a bigger role in that regard…

 

maybe. but maybe it's part of The Sham and they told him that to keep him on board. do you really think he stays if they don't do something to upgrade this s***** f***ing team?

[notin]

maybe. but maybe it's part of The Sham and they told him that to keep him on board. do you really think he stays if they don't do something to upgrade this s***** f***ing team?

 

He’s under contract for another year as one of the highest paid managers in the game and has been offered chances to move into the front office role. Is another team offering that?

[Duran Is The Man]

He’s under contract for another year as one of the highest paid managers in the game and has been offered chances to move into the front office role. Is another team offering that?

 

Again, do you think he wants to stay on with a team that’s only pretending to compete?

[Bellhorn04]

He’s under contract for another year as one of the highest paid managers in the game and has been offered chances to move into the front office role. Is another team offering that?

 

I'll sure there are other teams that would be willing to give him a raise. Seems like many teams are willing to outspend the Sox now.

[Duran Is The Man]

I'll sure there are other teams that would be willing to give him a raise. Seems like many teams are willing to outspend the Sox now.

 

 

Especially a team that is committed to winning -something the Sox clearly aren’t.

[notin]

Again, do you think he wants to stay on with a team that’s only pretending to compete?

 

Again

 

1) His $8mill salary is among the highest for MLB managers

2) The Red Sox have already offered him a CBO-esquires position, which he put on hold.

 

I’m sure when managing games, he does his best to win. But why do you think he places team results ahead of his own personal career? Is being on a high payroll team really his top priority?

 

And are the Red Sox not trying to compete? Or not trying to spend? There’s a big difference. Bloom was brought in to be competitive cheaply. But just because he failed doesn’t mean it’s impossible; it just means it might not be possible for Bloom. The Sox gave him a few chances and moved on. If they were really not trying to compete, why for Bloom at all?

Edited December 23, 2023 by notin

[notin]

I'll sure there are other teams that would be willing to give him a raise. Seems like many teams are willing to outspend the Sox now.

 

Has that happened?

 

If he gets offered more money, why do you leap to the conclusion that the Sox not being competitive was why he left? And not, you know, the money?

 

The Sox are coming off back-to-back 78 win seasons. Did they make Cora start his job hunt?

[Bellhorn04]

If they were really not trying to compete, why for Bloom at all?

 

The "sacrificial lamb" theory isn't so far-fetched.

[Bellhorn04]

Has that happened?

 

If he gets offered more money, why do you leap to the conclusion that the Sox not being competitive was why he left? And not, you know, the money?

 

I'm able to keep 2 thoughts in my head - it's about the money AND the winning. Just like it was with Ohtani and Yamamoto.

[notin]

The "sacrificial lamb" theory isn't so far-fetched.

 

Yes it is.

 

The season isn’t even close to starting yet and you’ve already started a thread for ownership to sell. Doesn’t sound to me like you blame Bloom and Breslow…

Edited December 23, 2023 by notin

[notin]

I'm able to keep 2 thoughts in my head - it's about the money AND the winning. Just like it was with Ohtani and Yamamoto.

 

So for evidence about money and winning in tandem, you supply the biggest contract and biggest pitcher contract in MLB history?

[Bellhorn04]

Yes it is.

 

The season isn’t even close to starting yet and you’ve sleet started a thread for ownership to sell. Doesn’t sound to me like you blame Bloom and Breslow…

 

And how does that conflict with my possible explanation for why they fired Bloom?

[Bellhorn04]

So for evidence about money and winning in tandem, you supply the biggest contract and biggest pitcher contract in MLB history?

 

So what? The Mets weren't given a chance to boost their offer. It's not all about getting every last dollar, is the point.

[notin]

So what? The Mets weren't given a chance to boost their offer. It's not all about getting every last dollar, is the point.

 

Even in these two cases, money was a CLEAR PRIORITY over winning. Either of them could have taken less money, but both went for bidders at or near the top. It’s not like he took the lesser offer from the Phillies, who have been more successful the last two years than either the Dodgers or Mets (using postseason as a metric).

 

I don’t fault them for taking as much as they can get; I just don’t pretend winning is any where near as important.

 

And as for Cora, it’s not even just the money; the Sox are offering career advancement. This is his livelihood; why would he not take advantage everything being offered to him? Because the team isn’t signing the way the fans want? If winning was so important to Cora, why didn’t he stay in Houston?

 

If the Dodgers offered Cora less money to manage (and never do anything else), do you think he goes out stays?

Edited December 23, 2023 by notin

[moonslav59]

Even in these two cases, money was a CLEAR PRIORITY over winning. Either of them could have taken less money, but both went for bidders at or near the top.

 

I don’t fault them for taking as much as they can get; I just don’t pretend winning is any where near as important.

 

And as for Cora, it’s not even just the money; the Sox are offering career advancement. This is his livelihood; why would he not take advantage everything being offered to him? Because the team isn’t signing the way the fans want? If winning was so important to Cora, why didn’t he stay in Houston?

 

If the Dodgers offered Cora less money to manage (and never do anything else), do you think he goes out stays?

 

I think the reason he left Houston was obvious.

 

Trash cans.

[Bellhorn04]

Even in these two cases, money was a CLEAR PRIORITY over winning. Either of them could have taken less money, but both went for bidders at or near the top.

 

And the Mets would almost certainly have increased their bid. So how can you say for sure that winning wasn't the priority? He knew he was going to get paid a ton regardless.

[Bellhorn04]

I think the reason he left Houston was obvious.

 

Trash cans.

 

Bench coach to manager/more money/team in good position to win.

[notin]

Bench coach to manager/more money/team in good position to win.

 

So the first two reason you cite (Career advancement and money) are EXACTLY why I’m saying he has reasons to stay in Boston.

 

Don’t forget this is people saying he wants to leave because of the organization’s (perceived?) commitment to win, and SOLELY FOR THAT REASON…

Edited December 23, 2023 by notin

[notin]

And the Mets would almost certainly have increased their bid. So how can you say for sure that winning wasn't the priority? He knew he was going to get paid a ton regardless.

 

If winning was the priority, why were the Mets a finalist and not the Phillies?

[notin]

I think the reason he left Houston was obvious.

 

Trash cans.

 

He left long before that was found out…

[Bellhorn04]

If winning was the priority, why were the Mets a finalist and not the Phillies?

 

Maybe the Mets only thought they were a finalist and were actually no such thing. That would explain not being given a chance to outbid.

[notin]

And how does that conflict with my possible explanation for why they fired Bloom?

 

I thought the reason abloom was fired was obvious. He had teams in the hunt for the postseason and gave up. Twice. Once without even saving money by getting under the threshold (assuming this was possible).

 

That’s my theory. He want a sacrificial lamb. He was a sheep that was outright slaughtered for not doing the job he was brought in to do…

[notin]

Maybe the Mets only thought they were a finalist and were actually no such thing. That would explain not being given a chance to outbid.

 

Maybe. Doesn’t help your argument much if that’s the case however.

 

Maybe the west coast aspect need not be overlooked, either…

[moonslav59]

I thought the reason abloom was fired was obvious. He had teams in the hunt for the postseason and gave up. Twice. Once without even saving money by getting under the threshold (assuming this was possible).

 

That’s my theory. He want a sacrificial lamb. He was a sheep that was outright slaughtered for not doing the job he was brought in to do…

 

One leaked non move was the one about a sell-off (Sale) and not about "giving up."

 

I thought doing what you were told to do, then being blamed for failing and fired is what a sacrificial lamb is all about.

 

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe. Doesn’t help your argument much if that’s the case however.

 

Maybe the west coast aspect need not be overlooked, either…

 

Hey, you're the guy who said the Mets were a lock. When I said the Dodgers shouldn't be counted out you weren't buying it.

[moonslav59]

Maybe the Mets only thought they were a finalist and were actually no such thing. That would explain not being given a chance to outbid.

 

What happened to the nobody will outbid Cohen idea?

 

I realize he was not even given a chance to up his bid, but if he really wanted him, why didn't he outbid everyone ny "50M," as some suggested he would?

[notin]

One leaked non move was the one about a sell-off (Sale) and not about "giving up."

 

I thought doing what you were told to do, then being blamed for failing and fired is what a sacrificial lamb is all about.

 

 

I don’t think he ever intended to give up in either season. He was just so indecisive and did nothing either way. He didn’t trade Sale, but he didn’t add to a fringe team, either. (Hosmer absolutely doesn’t count.) and it was actually worse in 2023.

 

Bloom got fired for what he didn’t do. And it was his fault…

[Bellhorn04]

What happened to the nobody will outbid Cohen idea?

 

I realize he was not even given a chance to up his bid, but if he really wanted him, why didn't he outbid everyone ny "50M," as some suggested he would?

 

What I read is that the Mets were one of the first teams to submit a bid. They offered 12/325. Moto took that to the Dodgers and they matched.

 

Cohen had no chance to jump the bidding, that's the whole point. You don't think 325 was a healthy opening offer?