2017/18 Hot Stove Thread

[Kimmi]

They can't strike this year per the contract. I don't think anything can happen until 2020 or 2021.

 

They can't strike until this CBA expires.

[Kimmi]

Players return to camp on Feb 12th. Maybe then there will be something to talk about.

 

Truck Day is a week away!

[Elktonnick]

No one knows for sure who has offered what to JD, but to me, it just doesn't make any sense that JD currently has a better offer. If he did, I think one of two things would have happened:

 

1. Dombrowski would have increased his offer, or

2. Dombrowski would have moved on

 

The fact that we're in this limbo with him indicates to me that the Sox have the top offer out there right now.

 

That is certainly the way I see it also. For some reason, Martinez has convinced himself that he either deserves or is entitled to a longer term contract than the current market justifies. Most of the analysts commenting on MLB radio, television and elsewhere have all thought that today's GMs have concluded based on all the data that long term deals for ball players who will be 35 or older in the later years of their contracts are not cost effective and simply not worth the risk. Given Martinez's history, one can see why a red sox GM would come to a similar conclusion.

[Natick to NC]

Moose ,Lomo ,Hosmer ,JD ,Duda all there still but not for long. My hope is not you folks hope .

 

1. JD at 145

2.Arieta 80

[moonslav59]

Hoping is fine, but signing JD to $25M put's us over the luxury tax by $30M. We'd be over $227M on the luxury tax table.

 

Going over $237M would kick in severe penalties.

 

I hate to dash anyone's hopes (except your hope for Hosmer), but we will not sign two big cost free agents this winter.

[a700hitter]

Truck Day is a week away!

And we have a very expensive team that can compete for a Wild Card spot if things break right for us.

 

This is a stupid way to build a roster in a window period.

[Bellhorn04]

And we have a very expensive team that can compete for a Wild Card spot if things break right for us.

 

This is a stupid way to build a roster in a window period.

 

There's no freaking way DD is done.

[moonslav59]

There's no freaking way DD is done.

 

Exactly. There's no way we chose to reset the luxury tax this year only to go over by $5M by signing Moreland.

[Natick to NC]

Mitch is a backup player most of his career .I don't know if we are out on 1b .14 days remaining .I would think some semblance of a rumor would start today .

[a700hitter]

Exactly. There's no way we chose to reset the luxury tax this year only to go over by $5M by signing Moreland.

I think you are probably right. It‘s just that day after day of no transactions is getting me down.

[notin]

There's no freaking way DD is done.

 

I hope not.

 

The Sox season ended 114 days ago and so far his most significant addition to the entire organization has been Esteban Quiroz.

[notin]

Exactly. There's no way we chose to reset the luxury tax this year only to go over by $5M by signing Moreland.

 

A statement that shouldn't be this difficult to prove in February. ...

[cp176]

Nuttin Notin Nuttin - As in nothing happening.

[Bellhorn04]

I hope not.

 

The Sox season ended 114 days ago and so far his most significant addition to the entire organization has been Esteban Quiroz.

 

He might as well have spent the last month on a beach somewhere in the tropics.

[Natick to NC]

Man ....I can't even believe it ! Get off work and head home convinced there would be something .....anything ...... Nothing ? I'm not mad now I'm not disappointed ..I'm genuinely concerned now.

[Kimmi]

That is certainly the way I see it also. For some reason, Martinez has convinced himself that he either deserves or is entitled to a longer term contract than the current market justifies. Most of the analysts commenting on MLB radio, television and elsewhere have all thought that today's GMs have concluded based on all the data that long term deals for ball players who will be 35 or older in the later years of their contracts are not cost effective and simply not worth the risk. Given Martinez's history, one can see why a red sox GM would come to a similar conclusion.

 

I think Boras may have done JD a disservice by throwing out that $210/7yr initial asking price. We all realize that JD was not going to get that, but it appears that JD was thinking he would get at least $150 mil, if not more. He still might get that, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen.

[Kimmi]

And we have a very expensive team that can compete for a Wild Card spot if things break right for us.

 

This is a stupid way to build a roster in a window period.

 

Well I certainly don't want Dombrowski bidding against himself for JD.

 

JD reportedly has a very fair offer. It takes two to tango.

[Kimmi]

There's no freaking way DD is done.

 

I still feel very confident that JD will be with the Red Sox come spring training.

[Kimmi]

I hope not.

 

The Sox season ended 114 days ago and so far his most significant addition to the entire organization has been Esteban Quiroz.

 

Dude is an on base machine though.

[Kimmi]

Man ....I can't even believe it ! Get off work and head home convinced there would be something .....anything ...... Nothing ? I'm not mad now I'm not disappointed ..I'm genuinely concerned now.

 

I posted about a week ago that I have stopped coming home with the expectation that there would be any big baseball news. I now come home with quite the opposite expectation. It's kind of sad. LOL

[Natick to NC]

Kimmi ,I hear ya .There has to be 75 players or more who have to be pretty worried about now .I am not usually one to feel bad for rich kids playing a game ...but this year I'm starting .

[moonslav59]

I think you are probably right. It‘s just that day after day of no transactions is getting me down.

 

I'd be worried, if other teams were signing top players left and right, but nobody is signing.

 

[moonslav59]

A statement that shouldn't be this difficult to prove in February. ...

 

It's hard to imagine us trying to get JD, missing out, and then signing nobody else instead.

 

99% chance we sign someone significant.

 

[notin]

I think Boras may have done JD a disservice by throwing out that $210/7yr initial asking price. We all realize that JD was not going to get that, but it appears that JD was thinking he would get at least $150 mil, if not more. He still might get that, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen.

 

So now it's a matter of how long JD Martinez plans to hold out for $25million that he'll never be able to spend anyway...

[notin]

It's hard to imagine us trying to get JD, missing out, and then signing nobody else instead.

 

99% chance we sign someone significant.

 

 

If we miss Martinez, who else left qualifies as significant? Hosmer? Morrison? Duda?

 

There are pros and cons to each of them, and primary con for each is that there is a good chance they are not significant..

[moonslav59]

If we miss Martinez, who else left qualifies as significant? Hosmer? Morrison? Duda?

 

There are pros and cons to each of them, and primary con for each is that there is a good chance they are not significant..

 

Darvish, Arrieta, Cobb, Lynn, Morrison, Moustakas, and maybe Holland. I'm keeping Hosmer out of my thoughts.

 

I'm not sure I'd call Duda and Nunez significant, but if we signed both plus maybe Cashner, I might call that significant.

[Natick to NC]

Hosmer or Moose would be fine with me .

[notin]

Darvish, Arrieta, Cobb, Lynn, Morrison, Moustakas, and maybe Holland. I'm keeping Hosmer out of my thoughts.

 

I'm not sure I'd call Duda and Nunez significant, but if we signed both plus maybe Cashner, I might call that significant.

 

I like the "multiple role player" approach. The core of this team is Bradley-Betts-Benintendi-Bogaerts for non-pitchers. I get the appeal of Martinez, but he is a threat to that.

 

Another name worth mentioning as a role player might be Brandon Phillips. Grab him, Morrison, Cashner and a reliever like Tony Watson, Matt Belisle or, if you feel like a reclamation project, Trevor Rosenthal...

Edited January 31, 2018 by notin

[Nick]

We have the highest payroll in majors. Maybe we should live without another big contract.

[moonslav59]

I like the "multiple role player" approach. The core of this team is Bradley-Betts-Benintendi-Bogaerts for non-pitchers. I get the appeal of Martinez, but he is a threat to that.

 

Another name worth mentioning as a role player might be Brandon Phillips. Grab him, Morrison, Cashner and a reliever like Tony Watson, Matt Belisle or, if you feel like a reclamation project, Trevor Rosenthal...

 

I think I'd rather have a bunch of shorter term deals than JD.

 

I almost mentioned Watson with my Duda, Nunez & Cashner suggestion.

 

I'd be fine with Morrison, Cashner, Watson & Phillips, but can we do that and still stay under the major penalty limit?

 

Duda will get less than Morrison, and may be had for a 1 year deal. Much more flexibility.