2017/18 Hot Stove Thread

[moonslav59]

Why is this an issue? They print money at Fenway. Big market teams are always going to spend more money. Its not your money, its not my money.....if it puts a better product on the field, who cares?

 

You should learn how to properly reply to someone elses post, its confusing. Why do you BOLD all of your posts? Are you yelling?

 

1) You claimed the Tigers did not have a "big market payroll." They did and they still do (thanks to DD).

2) Why are you bringing up the fact that it's not my money? You brought up the money issue.

3) Our budget is not limitless, otherwise we would not have reset the tax this year, and we'd have traded for Verlander NOT the Astros.

4) CAPS IS YELLING not bold. My eyesight is poor, and the bold helps me catch spelling mistakes and typos.

5) Thanks for schooling me on how to reply to a post by modeling a premium post.

[SCM33]

1) You claimed the Tigers did not have a "big market payroll." They did and they still do (thanks to DD).

2) Why are you bringing up the fact that it's not my money? You brought up the money issue.

3) Our budget is not limitless, otherwise we would not have reset the tax this year, and we'd have traded for Verlander NOT the Astros.

4) CAPS IS YELLING not bold. My eyesight is poor, and the bold helps me catch spelling mistakes and typos.

5) Thanks for schooling me on how to reply to a post by modeling a premium post.

 

The spending is pretty much limitless. Detroits is not, that is why they are struggling, that is why they always suck. You still didn't reply correctly. Everything is still bold.

 

They didn't trade for Verlander, because we didn't offer a package good enough. Has nothing to do with money. Who ever said we were targeting Verlander?

[moonslav59]

The spending is pretty much limitless. Detroits is not, that is why they are struggling, that is why they always suck. You still didn't reply correctly. Everything is still bold.

 

They didn't trade for Verlander, because we didn't offer a package good enough. Has nothing to do with money. Who ever said we were targeting Verlander?

 

No reading comprehension skills exhibited at all.

 

Adios.

[jacksonianmarch]

This exchange is classic. Every team has its max. The penalties for going over the thresholds are no longer menial. The penalties for going over the upper threshold are crippling. The sox aren’t going over $239 mil

[Slasher9]

Why is this an issue? They print money at Fenway. Big market teams are always going to spend more money. Its not your money, its not my money.....if it puts a better product on the field, who cares?

 

 

the Boston Red Sox have a budget. spending the most money doesn't always = better product on the field. so I care. Plus your entire case was based on DD not spending money. he spent $ like a housewife in NJ on payroll in Detroit. zero parades.

[SoxnCycles]

There is no doubt in my mind that Dombrowski is going to get us a big bat. Not that I think it's necessary, but everyone else does.

 

I don't think I share your enthusiasm, as far as expecting this lineup to turn things around next season.

If the Sox have a chance to sign a player like Martinez, they should go for it.

I do agree that the Sox could use more pitching help.

[SoxnCycles]

So you are saying that he's a liar. This is by far the most disappointing post coming from you. Because you don't like the way he traded away your precious farm boys, you don't trust the guy that runs baseball operations for your beloved Sox? Desperate Dave from Larry, Lying Dave from Kimmi. Good to know.

 

What part of Kimmi's post is untrue?

[moonslav59]

I don't think I share your enthusiasm, as far as expecting this lineup to turn things around next season.

If the Sox have a chance to sign a player like Martinez, they should go for it.

I do agree that the Sox could use more pitching help.

 

I do think we will see a few significant upticks next season from players currently on the roster.

 

I still think we need a big bat at clean-up and JD looks like the best choice, even with all the risk associated with such a signing.

 

No QO.

 

Hits LHPs & RHPs about equally well.

 

Playing DH should help him see more PAs than ever.

[Bellhorn04]

So you are saying that he's a liar. This is by far the most disappointing post coming from you. Because you don't like the way he traded away your precious farm boys, you don't trust the guy that runs baseball operations for your beloved Sox? Desperate Dave from Larry, Lying Dave from Kimmi. Good to know.

 

I don't think she's calling him a liar, Nick, just saying you can't take some of his statements seriously.

[cp176]

I don't think she's calling him a liar, Nick, just saying you can't take some of his statements seriously.

 

I think that you nailed it. What I would add is that he probably doesn't give a crap about what people in the media know or don't know about what his plans are or maybe even what his team's plans are. I don't consider myself to be entitled to know what is going on the inside. I don't work for them. We are all curious but where does it say anywhere that he has to let every fan and every beat writer know every detail about what is and what isn't going on inside that clubhouse? Some people just have a need to know I guess. It is one of the reasons why I am a Belicek fan. DDs no liar - DDs not desperate. He gets it. He is doing his job and might not feel as though I'm entitled quite enough to be told every plan and every detail about his future plans. For the record, I might be on an island here too but why did I even care about who was going to be having any kind of surgery during the off season? It is fun to know but sometimes it just doesn't affect us.

[Jack Flap]

I don't think she's calling him a liar, Nick, just saying you can't take some of his statements seriously.

 

I also didn't read it that way. I don't expect any GM or executive to speak to the media/public with complete transparency about things that may or may not happen in the future.

 

With regard to Dave saying Hanley can play 1B next year (which is what started this exchange), I would imagine that is dependent on other moves that may be made and is most likely a negotiating tactic.

[Bellhorn04]

I also didn't read it that way. I don't expect any GM or executive to speak to the media/public with complete transparency about things that may or may not happen in the future.

 

I agree. The 'no surgeries that I know of' comment did made him look a little silly when there was a slew of them right after he said it.

[notin]

The spending is pretty much limitless. Detroits is not, that is why they are struggling, that is why they always suck. You still didn't reply correctly. Everything is still bold.

 

They didn't trade for Verlander, because we didn't offer a package good enough. Has nothing to do with money. Who ever said we were targeting Verlander?

 

The Sox were never even linked to Verlander, and we could have competed with that mediocre offer from Houston. The bigger deal was the $56mill Verlander was owed in 2018-19....

[Slasher9]

I don't think I share your enthusiasm, as far as expecting this lineup to turn things around next season.

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i am hopeful that betts and xander will have better power numbers than they did in 2017.

as far as resigning moreland - if they dont trade/sign one of the big guns - i almost would rather save the $ they would spend on moreland and try travis.

[cp176]

I agree. The 'no surgeries that I know of' comment did made him look a little silly when there was a slew of them right after he said it.

 

He might even have known exactly what he was saying. Maybe it was just his way of saying that it really wasn't important enough for us to know. It is possible that his hide is tough enough to actually not care what the public thinks. If the seats are filled, he is going to get paid. I don't think that he is as soft and caring as some people would like him to be. Maybe he should start wearing and old hooded sweatshirt. Kind of like that old school dude working up there in Foxboro. That guy who has trouble understanding how to operate an I-pad but just knows how to win games. Like him or not!

[SoxnCycles]

i am hopeful that betts and xander will have better power numbers than they did in 2017.

as far as resigning moreland - if they dont trade/sign one of the big guns - i almost would rather save the $ they would spend on moreland and try travis.

 

Not a bad idea.

[cp176]

i am hopeful that betts and xander will have better power numbers than they did in 2017.

as far as resigning moreland - if they dont trade/sign one of the big guns - i almost would rather save the $ they would spend on moreland and try travis.

 

I'm kind of on board with this one too. I'm in for Martinez but I know that there are some other pretty good possibilities out there as well. I don't think resigning Moreland and taking a shot with Sam Travis is going to upgrade our offense much but they still aren't bad! I hope that we don't make a move just to make a move. I don't think we will. I do have a warm spot for Moreland.

[jacksonianmarch]

If you want your offense to take off, you need to add an offensive focal point. The B’s showed they either aren’t ready or aren’t capable of anchoring an elite lineup. Get a lineup anchor, fill the B’s around him, and boom you’ll take off. Betts is a dead red hitter. It’s easy to toss breaking balls to him when the guy on deck doesn’t scare you. It’s harder when a JD Martinez sits there

[cp176]

If you want your offense to take off, you need to add an offensive focal point. The B’s showed they either aren’t ready or aren’t capable of anchoring an elite lineup. Get a lineup anchor, fill the B’s around him, and boom you’ll take off. Betts is a dead red hitter. It’s easy to toss breaking balls to him when the guy on deck doesn’t scare you. It’s harder when a JD Martinez sits there

 

Most of us get this but making a move just to make a move would not be a good idea at all. If the Red Sox returned the exact same team as last year, possibly a little healthier, they would still be able to complete quite nicely in the east. Adding the right bat makes sense and I think that it will happen.

[Slasher9]

If the Red Sox returned the exact same team as last year, possibly a little healthier, they would still be able to complete quite nicely in the east.

 

the NYY troll would have us believe the Sox finished far behind the MFY in the AL East last year. reality is we won the AL East with that lineup.

go figure.

[mvp 78]

i am hopeful that betts and xander will have better power numbers than they did in 2017.

as far as resigning moreland - if they dont trade/sign one of the big guns - i almost would rather save the $ they would spend on moreland and try travis.

 

I'd be on board if Travis had the power profile of a 1b. He doesn't.

[mvp 78]

Most of us get this but making a move just to make a move would not be a good idea at all. If the Red Sox returned the exact same team as last year, possibly a little healthier, they would still be able to complete quite nicely in the east. Adding the right bat makes sense and I think that it will happen.

 

Sure, but DD has said there is a need for a big bat. I'd listen to him on that. Complaining about his comments concerning Devers and surgeries is just noise to me.

[jacksonianmarch]

Your team scored 73 less runs than NY and 93 runs less than your team scored in 2016. Your offense was 6th in the AL in scoring, which puts you squarely in the average category. You won with pitching. Your rotation has injury question marks entering the season. If your rotation and pen dont step forward again, you’ll lose your margin for error. Your offense is literally one player from being a top 3 offense in all of baseball.

[mvp 78]

Yankees run differential +198

Red Sox run differential +117 (lowest for any division winner)

[mvp 78]

Sox had the least amount of regular season runs scored for any playoff team last year.

[mvp 78]

Stop making me agree with Jacko.

[Nick]

Sure, but DD has said there is a need for a big bat. I'd listen to him on that. Complaining about his comments concerning Devers and surgeries is just noise to me.

 

ding ding ding.....we have a winner.

[jacksonianmarch]

Exactly. Our pythag was ridiculous. The sox pythag and win total discrepancy had everything to do with Craig Kimbrel being untouchable and our closer situation having trouble for 3 months. For as good as our pen was, we led the AL in blown saves. With Chap healthy and a pen now completely loaded for bear, I anticipate more of our leads holding. The sox aren’t likely to get better in terms of run prevention even if Price is healthy (which isn’t a guarantee). So they must add to the run total. And I don’t think an overhaul is needed. The flow in your lineup was disjointed. The lack of power meant baserunners would reach but less runs scored. Your power guys from a year ago forgot how to hit the ball deep.... or did they?

 

I think your lineup was handled for most of the year because teams weren’t afraid of any one hitter. Hence, allowing a base runner yet not giving in yielded less runs allowed in the end. That changes when you return a Papi level hitter to the lineup. Martinez gets the 3 hole, Betts hits in front of him and sees a ton of fastballs. Instantly Betts hits 30HR again and JD has the time of his life hitting things over the monster. Once those guys get going, the rest of the lineup will benefit

[Slasher9]

Sure, but DD has said there is a need for a big bat. I'd listen to him on that. Complaining about his comments concerning Devers and surgeries is just noise to me.

 

so how are we supposed to figure out when to listen to him and when not to?

the dude is a liar. and that's the thing with liars....it's impossible to ever really trust them.

[mvp 78]

A full year of 2018 triple crown winner Rafael Devers will be a pretty good boost too.