2017/18 Hot Stove Thread

[moonslav59]

He can't trade Stanton without getting one or 2 players who can play for the Marlins now.

 

Their fans are used to it.

[moonslav59]

The Marlins post-season hopes ended with Jose Fernandez and dealing Stanton throws them into full rebuild, so players with 2 and 3 years of service time left have little appeal.

 

However it is possible the Sox could deal Bradley (Cubs?) and Bogaerts (Dismondbacks?) for top flight prospects who could potentially be flipped for Stanton, possibly with not much else added...

 

Or, we trade Bogey & JBJ and then they flip them.

 

Not long from now, JBJ plus Bogey will make more than $25M, anyways.

[harmony]

From Wednesday's chat with MLB Trade Rumors columnist Jason Martinez:

JD MARTINEZ

5:37

What team am I on next year?

 

Jason Martinez

5:37

You seemed to like it in Arizona and you're already a legend there. I think you'll re-sign.

https://www.jotcast.com/chat/mlbtr-live-chat-with-jason-martinez-october-11-2017-2637.html

 

Of course that's not the real-life J.D. Martinez.

Edited October 12, 2017 by harmony

[notin]

He can't trade Stanton without getting one or 2 players who can play for the Marlins now.

 

If that's the case, he'll want two from Erod, Benintendi and Devers, not short term Boras clients he can't extend...

[a700hitter]

gross.

lol!!

[notin]

Any time you're talking 10 years in a contract, it's unreasonable.

 

I would much rather sign Martinez than Stanton. I'd actually be okay going status quo with the offense and bringing in another #2 starter.

 

Think we can add a starter better than Pomeranz?

 

If Price comes back, our rotation only needs depth added. ..

[Spudboy]

Is DD known for such creativity? I like the idea.

 

I doubt it. He seems to be a more meat and potato type deal maker.

 

I mean, look, he even looks like a used car dealer.

[S5Dewey]

Their fans are used to it.

 

Fans? Miami has FANS???

[moonslav59]

If that's the case, he'll want two from Erod, Benintendi and Devers, not short term Boras clients he can't extend...

 

They wouldn't extend them, even if they were not Boras clients.

 

They'll trade anyone coming up for a big raise.

 

I guess new ownership might change the trend, but I'll believe it when I see it.

 

I could see them wanting 1 "today guy" like Beni not JBJ or Bogey and then 2-3 top prospects from the likes of Groome, Mata, Flores, Houck, Scherff or Chavis.

 

[moonslav59]

Fans? Miami has FANS???

 

Yes, it's hot down there, and not everyone can afford A/C.

[jacksonianmarch]

He can't trade Stanton without getting one or 2 players who can play for the Marlins now.

 

Disagree entirely. Their team has some prime talent, but their team isn't good enough and their farm system is barren. They won in 97 by dealing off their farm and spending. They won in 03 by using their farm. I think they have to build the old fashioned way. They will likely want to get a prospect haul and a big leaguer and then flip the big leaguer for a further prospect haul

[moonslav59]

If we can get them to take HRam OR Castillo as a partial contract offset, which gives us an immediate budget boost to go beyond just Stanton, then maybe we give up better talent.

HRam, Beni & Bogey, then sign Cozart.

 

HRam, Devers & JBJ, then sign Moose.

 

HRam, Bogey & JBJ, then sign Cozart & Cain.

 

(Note: I am not saying I'd make these deals.)

[OH FOY]

I still say Yanks are going to be players on Stanton. It's in their blood, when a huge name is available, Yanks are in on it.

Stanton, Judge, and Sanchez, that would be scary. Then the Sox have to go for Harper, forget Machado, go real big.

Edited October 12, 2017 by OH FOY!

[BstHcpr]

Lots of ways the Yankees can go. I'd pick up an Alonso/Duda/Morrison to DH, and offer Otani and Darvish a contract. Save the bullets for Harper next off-season.

[jacksonianmarch]

Otani is the great Japanese white whale. Nobody knows where he’ll land. But if we get him, we might not do much more

[Bellhorn04]

I would much rather sign Martinez than Stanton. I'd actually be okay going status quo with the offense and bringing in another #2 starter.

 

Well hello Stand Patti!

[Jack Flap]

Any time you're talking 10 years in a contract, it's unreasonable.

 

I would much rather sign Martinez than Stanton. I'd actually be okay going status quo with the offense and bringing in another #2 starter.

 

I hear you...the length is definitely kind of scary, but I'd much rather pay Stanton til he's 37 (or 38 with team option) than into his 40's like guys like Cabrera, Pujols, and Votto. Assuming he ages fairly well, $25-30 million probably won't look that crazy by the time the contract is winding down.

 

Ultimately, though, I'd much rather just sign Martinez as well. I don't really see standing pat with the offense as a realistic option...I think it's fair to expect some improvement with a full season of Devers, a more experienced Benintendi, and some bounce-back from Betts, Bogaerts, and Bradley, but adding a real power bat would take us to another level, and I'd be fairly shocked if Dave didn't make a move.

 

Disagree entirely. Their team has some prime talent, but their team isn't good enough and their farm system is barren. They won in 97 by dealing off their farm and spending. They won in 03 by using their farm. I think they have to build the old fashioned way. They will likely want to get a prospect haul and a big leaguer and then flip the big leaguer for a further prospect haul

 

Agree. I'm not sure if guys like Bogaerts and Bradley who are a mere 2-3 years from free agency and so would have to be extended in the near future would be all that appealing to the Marlins...if they cared so much about the present, they wouldn't be trading their franchise player to begin with. We've seen the Cubs and Astros tear down and rebuild and come out better for it in the long term, and if I was a Marlins fan (man, I shudder as I type that) I would rather they go that route than remain stuck in the twilight zone of mediocrity, good enough to feign competition every year but not good enough to actually win.

Edited October 12, 2017 by Jack Flap

[SoxnCycles]

Any time you're talking 10 years in a contract, it's unreasonable.

 

I would much rather sign Martinez than Stanton. I'd actually be okay going status quo with the offense and bringing in another #2 starter.

 

After waiting all summer for this team to wake up and start hitting, I don't think I want to watch a repeat of that again.

I like the JD Martinez option, Stanton, not so much.

[SoxnCycles]

Well hello Stand Patti!

 

Good one!

[sk7326]

IIRC, Stanton's contract has an opt out after 2020 where he will be 31 years old. There is a fair chance he could go back on the market then. I mean he probably is not going get 7 years from anybody, but he could definitely get more total money from somebody else by then.

[jacksonianmarch]

IIRC, Stanton's contract has an opt out after 2020 where he will be 31 years old. There is a fair chance he could go back on the market then. I mean he probably is not going get 7 years from anybody, but he could definitely get more total money from somebody else by then.

 

There is no way he opts out after 2020 unless a new CBA is ratified with inflated lux tax salaries. After 2020, he is guaranteed $218 mil over 7 seasons. At 31 years old, he isn't beating that

[harmony]

There is no way he opts out after 2020 unless a new CBA is ratified with inflated lux tax salaries. After 2020, he is guaranteed $218 mil over 7 seasons. At 31 years old, he isn't beating that

David Price was 30 years, three months old in December 2015 when the Red Sox signed the lefthander to a seven-year, $217 million contract.

[Kimmi]

Think we can add a starter better than Pomeranz?

 

If Price comes back, our rotation only needs depth added. ..

 

If Price is healthy, then I agree that we only need depth. Dombrowski seems pretty sure that Price is good to go, but I'm not sure I trust that.

 

I am thinking Pom is going to regress next year. If Price is not healthy, I think we need to add a starter that will be close to what Pom gave us this year. No, I don't know who that would be.

[Kimmi]

I hear you...the length is definitely kind of scary, but I'd much rather pay Stanton til he's 37 (or 38 with team option) than into his 40's like guys like Cabrera, Pujols, and Votto. Assuming he ages fairly well, $25-30 million probably won't look that crazy by the time the contract is winding down.

 

Ultimately, though, I'd much rather just sign Martinez as well. I don't really see standing pat with the offense as a realistic option...I think it's fair to expect some improvement with a full season of Devers, a more experienced Benintendi, and some bounce-back from Betts, Bogaerts, and Bradley, but adding a real power bat would take us to another level, and I'd be fairly shocked if Dave didn't make a move.

 

I am almost 100% sure that Dombrowski will make a splash with a big bat. I will also be fairly shocked if he didn't.

[mvp 78]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/08/2017-18-mlb-free-agent-power-rankings-5.html

 

If Cueto opts out, does Slasher finally get his wish to see Cueto in a Sox uni?

[notin]

I'm warming up to the option of dealing Bogaerts and Bradley to get Stanton. It would be a complicated move since Miami likely wouldn't want them, but other teams might take them for prospects who could be packaged with, say, Chavis for Stanton.

 

However this still leaves voids at shortstop and first. First might have to be filled internally (Travis and/or Swihart, as he has no options left). For SS, an available glove man like Freddy Garcia or Nick Ahmed (if Bogaerts goes to AZ, which is a nice fit) might be serviceable.

[moonslav59]

I'm warming up to the option of dealing Bogaerts and Bradley to get Stanton. It would be a complicated move since Miami likely wouldn't want them, but other teams might take them for prospects who could be packaged with, say, Chavis for Stanton.

 

However this still leaves voids at shortstop and first. First might have to be filled internally (Travis and/or Swihart, as he has no options left). For SS, an available glove man like Freddy Garcia or Nick Ahmed (if Bogaerts goes to AZ, which is a nice fit) might be serviceable.

 

We could probably afford Stanton and Cozart and stay under the second tier limit.

[Spudboy]

We could probably afford Stanton and Cozart and stay under the second tier limit.

 

Oh Christ what have I done?

 

I was only kidding about trading for Stanton.

 

I mean, who would want to have a player who hits 50 home runs and drives in 130 on their team?

 

Certainly there is no need for that on the Sox.

 

Yay run differential!!!!

[Elktonnick]

I am almost 100% sure that Dombrowski will make a splash with a big bat. I will also be fairly shocked if he didn't.

 

I think you are right. I am going out on a limb but I wouldn't be surprised at a multi player deal that involved Boston shopping Price. I sense that the Red Sox front office may think that Price may be more of a clubhouse problem than he is worth. I fully expect the Boston sports media will begin to talk up such a possibility. I think the Boston sports media would like nothing better than to drive Price out of town.

 

I am not saying that from a baseball perspective alone this would be the wisest move. I just see it as an inevitable consequence to Farrell's firing.

[notin]

We could probably afford Stanton and Cozart and stay under the second tier limit.

 

I like Court, but I wonder how many years he'll want st 31.

 

Also somewhat moot if the Sox aren't actually dealing Bogaerts. ..