Red Sox Trade Deadline 2017 Thread

[Kimmi]

I'm about halfway between you and moon on this one. I don't think Price is a choking dog who is guaranteed to suck if we make the playoffs. But his playoff record is a big concern to me. For one thing, if we make it there you know there will be a million stories to the tune of 'Will Price Choke Again?'. It's a form of negative baggage.

 

I can agree with this.

 

I think how David responds in his start tomorrow to the recent negative media attention will be telling of what we can look forward to in terms what impact the 'negative baggage' will have on him.

[Kimmi]

Yup, and we all know how well he handles criticism about his postseason performances.

 

I'd probably be more confident in Price, if he was a little more consistent.

He's already demonstrated this year that he's capable of throwing a stinker.

 

Even though Sale has never pitched in the postseason, it's a safe bet that we'll get a quality start from him, even if he's not at his best.

If Price is off, you'll get a game like his last one against the Angels, or his game against the Yankees.

 

I think a team like Houston will light him up.

 

I was hopeful for a while that Price was finally performing like the ace that we thought we were getting. He has the talent and the ability to do so. For the sake of the team, I hope he can keep it together.

[SoxnCycles]

I was hopeful for a while that Price was finally performing like the ace that we thought we were getting. He has the talent and the ability to do so. For the sake of the team, I hope he can keep it together.

 

Same here.

A dominant Price would be good for the team's chances and encourage him to opt out, at the end of next year.

He can go be a miserable bastid somewhere else.

[Kimmi]

Same here.

A dominant Price would be good for the team's chances and encourage him to opt out, at the end of next year.

He can go be a miserable bastid somewhere else.

 

LOL

 

I get the feeling that you really, really don't like the guy.

 

In fairness to you, you never wanted him on the team to begin with.

[SoxnCycles]

LOL

 

I get the feeling that you really, really don't like the guy.

 

In fairness to you, you never wanted him on the team to begin with.

 

Whatever gave you that idea??

I've never cared for the guy and wasn't at all happy he was signed here, but I can't even type the words in a public forum to describe what I think of him now.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Ken Rosenthal:

 

The Red Sox, even after adding Eduardo Nunez late Tuesday night, are considering first-base DH types as a way to further boost their offense, as first noted by Mark Feinsand of MLB.com.

 

Entering Tuesday night, Mitch Moreland was batting .162 with a .486 OPS in 124 plate appearances dating to June 15 – two days after he fractured big toe on his left foot.

 

The Red Sox will not want to just dump Moreland; they owe him slightly more than $2 million for the rest of the season, and surely are grateful for his contribution in the first 2½ months.

 

On the other hand, Hanley Ramirez has started five of the last seven games at first base. One rival executive noted that if Ramirez’s shoulders remain sound enough for him to handle first, the Sox could acquire virtually any position player and use him as a DH.

 

This is speculation, but Mets outfielders Curtis Granderson and Jay Bruce could be possibilities (Granderson is owed about $5.5 million; Bruce about $4.5 million; the Sox might want cash in such a deal due to their luxury-tax concerns). The Athletics’ Yonder Alonso, a first baseman owed less than $1.5 million, could be another.

https://www.facebook.com/kenrosenthalsports/posts/1460685657330494

 

Kind of interesting that he mentions Bruce and Granderson but not Duda. I would prefer Duda out of the 3 Mets players.

[mvp 78]

Alonso > Bruce > Duda > Granderson, but they are all LHB. They need a big RHB, but I'm not sure a guy like that is really available right now.

[Nick]

Just from 'value' standpoint

 

Votto = than Beni, Xander, Travis, Swihart and Groomes package?

 

Nunez, Pedroia, Betts, Votto, Hanley, JBJ, Vaz/Leon, Devers, Lin/Marrero

Edited July 27, 2017 by Nick

[mvp 78]

Just from 'value' standpoint

 

Votto = than Beni, Xander, Travis, Swihart and Groomes package?

 

Nunez, Pedroia, Betts, Votto, Hanley, JBJ, Vaz/Leon, Devers, Lin/Marrero

 

Maybe if it was Beni OR Xander plus the rest?

[harmony]

Delusional Dave is continuing to operate without a plan and just pissed away two prospects for a rental player that provides no power or leadership.

 

Can we please send Dave to the nearest dumpster?

http://news.soxprospects.com/2017/07/trade-analysis-scouting-prospects-dealt.html

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/scouting-the-giants-return-for-eduardo-nunez/

Edited July 27, 2017 by harmony

[BstHcpr]

Just from 'value' standpoint

 

Votto = than Beni, Xander, Travis, Swihart and Groomes package?

 

Nunez, Pedroia, Betts, Votto, Hanley, JBJ, Vaz/Leon, Devers, Lin/Marrero

 

Definitely the latter. The Reds would give us Cozart, Votto, and Iglesias for Bogaerts alone in hypothetical land.

[sk7326]

Votto

 

At the same time, Votto is exactly what the team needs. While I would not like trading, say Bogaerts and Groome for Votto and Cozart (for instance) ... that deal is not terrible, and there are reasons for both sides to do it.

[harmony]

Definitely the latter. The Reds would give us Cozart, Votto, and Iglesias for Bogaerts alone in hypothetical land.

Two-plus years of Xander Bogaerts, with a career wRC+ of 101, including 96 this season, won't land a huge package.

 

As a point of reference, Eduardo Nunez has a career wRC+ of 94, including 100 this year.

 

In his trade value analysis, FanGraphs columnist Dave Cameron wrote:

This is not the Xander Bogaerts we thought we’d be seeing a few years ago, but despite becoming a pretty different kind of player than he looked like as a prospect, he’s still turned out just fine. He’s on his way to his third consecutive +4 WAR season and still isn’t yet 25. So, by any standard, his career to date has been a success.

 

Because he had his rookie season at age 21, though, he’s only got two years left before free agency, which is the main reason he’s down here and not up with many of the other young stars in the game. As much as he still looks like a franchise building block, he’s not under control long enough to really be considered a long-term asset, and as a shot-term value, he’s more of a really good player than a great one. Of course, if the Red Sox actually made him available, there would be plenty of suitors, but maybe less than we’d expect for a 24-year-old All-Star.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-trade-value-41-to-50/

 

Current projections have Bogaerts at a respectable 3.5 fWAR this year.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=12161&position=SS

[Nick]

Votto to me would look great in Sox jersey.

[moonslav59]

I'd love Votto here in Boston, but his contract is large and long, still. $$157M/6 or $170M/7.

 

18-23:$25M annually, 24:$20M club option ($7M buyout)

 

He's worth the money now, but he may start declining soon, and he will be costly.

[BstHcpr]

Two-plus years of Xander Bogaerts, with a career wRC+ of 101, including 96 this season, won't land a huge package.

 

As a point of reference, Eduardo Nunez has a career wRC+ of 94, including 100 this year.

 

In his trade value analysis, FanGraphs columnist Dave Cameron wrote:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-trade-value-41-to-50/

 

Current projections have Bogaerts at a respectable 3.5 fWAR this year.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=12161&position=SS

 

Are you really going to weigh the first 600 PA's equally with his last 2.5 years of PA's?

[NativeBostonian]

Duda is off the market. Rays trades for him. They gave up their 30th rated prospect.

[a700hitter]

Duda is off the market. Rays trades for him. They gave up their 30th rated prospect.

They overpaid

[BstHcpr]

They overpaid

 

He's better than Miller, but not by much.

[oldtimer]

He's better than Miller, but not by much.

 

Just watched Archer strike out Frazier with the bases loaded. Glad we didn't get a 215 hitter who hits an occasional home run. Rays up 5 to 3 going into the 7th.

[BstHcpr]

Just watched Archer strike out Frazier with the bases loaded. Glad we didn't get a 215 hitter who hits an occasional home run. Rays up 5 to 3 going into the 7th.

 

He was late on a 90 mph slider lol

[harmony]

Are you really going to weigh the first 600 PA's equally with his last 2.5 years of PA's?

Xander Bogaerts has a career OPS+ of 101, including 107 over the past two-and-a-half years:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bogaexa01.shtml

 

This Seattle fan has pondered the respective trade values of shortstops Xander Bogaerts and Jean Segura, who have each posted 7.0 fWAR since the start of the 2016 season.

 

Bogaerts remains under team control for two more arbitration years, through his age 26 season to his 27th birthday in 2019, working off his 2017 salary of $4.5 million.

 

Segura remains under team control through his age 32 season in 2022 by virtue of a five-year, $70 million extension signed last month.

 

Assuming Bogaerts earns a combined $16 million over the next two arbitration seasons, could he then land a three-year, $54 million contract as a free agent?

 

Considering the qualifying offer will likely exceed $18 million, I suspect Bogaerts would cost more than $54 million for three years. As a practical matter, a 27-year-old Bogaerts would be likely to secure a contract of longer duration.

 

Just some thoughts.

Edited July 28, 2017 by harmony

[oldtimer]

Xander Bogaerts has a career OPS+ of 101, including 107 over the past two-and-a-half years:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bogaexa01.shtml

 

Past performances are fine when talking about a career but don't necessarily predict performance going forward (something one learns playing horses). When a guy is slumping badly it is tough to leave him in the lineup when there is another option who might help. The trick is to know when or if the player returns to useable form. In Bogey's case maybe a rest is in order or perhaps home cooking will help. Personally, I would give him a weeks rest and try again later.

[mvp 78]

@Ken_Rosenthal

 

#RedSox do not currently anticipate pursuing starting pitcher due to Price injury. With Dombrowski, subject to change.

[moonslav59]

Are you really going to weigh the first 600 PA's equally with his last 2.5 years of PA's?

 

Same with JBJ. I don't get why those early at bats are held against young players.

[a700hitter]

@Ken_Rosenthal

 

#RedSox do not currently anticipate pursuing starting pitcher due to Price injury. With Dombrowski, subject to change.

Ican't think of anything less reliable than a rumor from Rosenthal.

[Jack Flap]

Are you really going to weigh the first 600 PA's equally with his last 2.5 years of PA's?

 

A good example of how just throwing out stats with zero context behind them can be misleading and disingenuous.

 

(Actually, a lot of Harmony posts that are good examples of this...)

[Jack Flap]

Yonder Alonso has a career .404 slugging percentage...why is everyone so excited about that guy?

[a700hitter]

Yonder Alonso has a career .404 slugging percentage...why is everyone so excited about that guy?

He got off to a very hot start making his 2017 stats deceptive. He had one power spurt in his career and it was this past April and May.

[BstHcpr]

Yonder Alonso has a career .404 slugging percentage...why is everyone so excited about that guy?

 

 

He changed his swing, and is driving a lot more balls than he used to. He'd be a huge upgrade over Moreland.