Red Sox Trade Deadline 2017 Thread

[moonslav59]

Think we still need a big slugger or top bat?

 

Here are the top wRC+ batters with 200+ PAs this year on possible non contending teams:

 

208 Trout LAA

166 Votto CIN

162 A Avila DET

156 Goldschmidt AZ

150 Y Alonso OAK

150 Conforto NYM

150 Smoak TOR

147 Gennett CIN

147 Posey SFG

146 Ozuna MIA

142 Cozart CIN

140 N Cruz SEA

138 E Thames MIL

138 J Bour MIA

138 M sano MN

137 L Duda NYM

135 T Flowers ATL

 

Note: our top wRC+ hitters are:

122 JBJ

119 Betts

112 Beni

111 Bogey

110 Moreland

104 HRam

100 Pedey

 

 

[Kimmi]

best 3bmen by WAR in 2017 on probable/possible non contending teams:

 

2.3 Gyorko STL

2.3 Harrison Pitt

22. Sano MN

2.1 J LAmb AZ

1.7 J Gallo TX

1.6 E Saurez CIN

1.5 M Machado BAL

1.2 T Frazier CWS

1.1 Y Escobar LAA

1.0 E NUnez SFG

0.9 D Freese Pitt

 

 

Somebody mentioned Beltre. He has .9 WAR in just 32 games. His cost may be too high, but he's someone I'd look into. Texas is likely going nowhere, and he's a free agent after this year.

[moonslav59]

Somebody mentioned Beltre. He has .9 WAR in just 32 games. His cost may be too high, but he's someone I'd look into. Texas is likely going nowhere, and he's a free agent after this year.

 

Yeah, I'm sure his cost would be too high, but he is a big difference maker when healthy.

[sk7326]

Somebody mentioned Beltre. He has .9 WAR in just 32 games. His cost may be too high, but he's someone I'd look into. Texas is likely going nowhere, and he's a free agent after this year.

 

Oh he is by far the best choice. Having a Boston past helps too. However, this is where the 2nd wildcard is such a scourge. The Rangers are struggling - but essentially 2 good weeks away from being in the mix.

[moonslav59]

Oh he is by far the best choice. Having a Boston past helps too. However, this is where the 2nd wildcard is such a scourge. The Rangers are struggling - but essentially 2 good weeks away from being in the mix.

 

Maybe that second wild card slot will save DD from himself.

[moonslav59]

I know Moreland is battling a toe issue, but should we worry about 1b going forward?

 

.762 June OPS

 

.529 last 7 days

 

It's nice we have Travis and maybe HRam can play 1b some later this year, but i am a little concerned about MM.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I know Moreland is battling a toe issue, but should we worry about 1b going forward?

 

.762 June OPS

 

.529 last 7 days

 

It's nice we have Travis and maybe HRam can play 1b some later this year, but i am a little concerned about MM.

 

I'm concerned about 1b and DH going forward, and overall offensive depth (Chris Young is not having a strong season).

 

As I mentioned in another thread:

 

I'm somewhat intrigued by J.Bruce and L.Duda (who has a 900+ OPS). They have some thunder in their bats and would add some depth and HR power.

[notin]

Bruce is having a decent bounce back season after sucking for the past 3 years. But I'd be leery of him turning back into a frog.

 

If the Sox want him, hopefully the price isn't too much. That would be a double slap considering the Sox could have gotten him for next to nothing in March...

[oldtimer]

The Sox have seen inconsistency from the 1-5 hitters in the lineup with the exception of Pedey who is doing his job. We are dead meat if Betts and Bogey go into a spiral downward, so we have to assume that they will produce going forward. Moreland has been hurt and we can bolster him with Travis, a decent solution particularly against left handers. Hanley tends to be inconsistent and recently he has shown a streak of decent hitting so we were hopeful it might continue. To me he is an enigma though and a high priced one at that.

 

I think when we are talking trades, we are limiting them to 3rd base and looking for a better bat in a person who can play 3rd decently. We might then keep Lin up as our utility infielder. Is Ozuna in the realm of possibility? He would not be the total answer as we have to get a spark going throughtout the lineup. Maybe the team just looks tired now.

[Jack Flap]

With the team set to be sold at some point in the near future, the Marlins appear to be lining up for some significant moves at the deadline. As Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald reports, the Fish appear to be targeting a few organizations in particular as they look to shop their biggest contracts. Marlins scouts are taking a hard look at the systems of the Yankees, Red Sox, Brewers, Rockies, and Cubs, per the report. Whether that’s based upon demand coming from those organizations or instead Miami’s own interest in certain prospects isn’t entirely clear; obviously, plenty of other teams will likely end up engaging with the Marlins in what is shaping up to be an interesting deadline period.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/marlins-notes-trade-targets-volquez-sale-progress.html

 

 

I don't really want anything to do with Prado, the Marlin we keep being linked to, but if they're serious about shedding payroll -- thinking crazy here, for a moment -- what about Stanton?

[moonslav59]

Pedey had a long slump, too, so I'm not sure I would single him out as the one consistent hitter.

 

I don't see us trading for an OF'er. Our OF is solid. With beni heating up, how can anyone want to bench an OF'er?

 

We are not going to bench HRam, and if HRam can't play 1B, that leaves 3B or 1B as the only natural upgrade positions. (Maybe Catcher is a distant 3rd.)

[jacksonianmarch]

Prado was great as a Yankee, I was sad to see him go. He's a contact hitter with some pop who plays a good enough 3b. He's older and coming off injury, so he should be easy to get. He's be an immediate upgrade over the s*** you have at third now

[Jack Flap]

Prado was great as a Yankee, I was sad to see him go. He's a contact hitter with some pop who plays a good enough 3b. He's older and coming off injury, so he should be easy to get. He's be an immediate upgrade over the s*** you have at third now

 

No argument there, and if he was only signed for this season, I'd be fine with that. It's paying him and Sandoval something like $30-35 million per year in 2018 and 2019 when we have Devers ready and waiting that doesn't appeal to me.

[Maxbialystock]

Pedey had a long slump, too, so I'm not sure I would single him out as the one consistent hitter.

 

I don't see us trading for an OF'er. Our OF is solid. With beni heating up, how can anyone want to bench an OF'er?

 

We are not going to bench HRam, and if HRam can't play 1B, that leaves 3B or 1B as the only natural upgrade positions. (Maybe Catcher is a distant 3rd.)

 

Agree on all except that, with Devers doing so well at Portland and Marrero/Lin doing OK at 3b for now, I would not make a deal for another third baseman. That's exactly what Cherington did with Sandoval--caveat emptor.

 

HRam is the perfect symbol of the effect of one guy on a batting order. He is our Ortiz this year, and he is way, way short of the mark. That is of course an unfair comparison because Ortiz just might be the first DH in the HOF, but it is also real.

 

The Sox seem to me to be entering a new era when clubbing opposing pitchers into submission is unlikely, and the team must be more guileful with good pitching, decent defense and baserunning, and just enough hitting.

 

This year the lineup's goal must be to score those 4 huge, gigantic, indomitable runs somehow, some way. Whenever the Sox do that, they win over 80% of the time. When they don't, they lose over 80% of the time.

[jacksonianmarch]

There's a team like NY whose window is probably a year away. We can get by with kids taking their lumps. You guys are in your window! You're in 1st! If getting Prado delays Devers by a year then so be it. If you bring up Devers and he struggles in 2016, then you have no recourse. When you are in your window and you have a major now upgrade available for a B or C prospect you do it. By the time Devers is in his prime, you'll be rebuilding or he'll be in his prime in another uniform

[moonslav59]

There's a team like NY whose window is probably a year away. We can get by with kids taking their lumps. You guys are in your window! You're in 1st! If getting Prado delays Devers by a year then so be it. If you bring up Devers and he struggles in 2016, then you have no recourse. When you are in your window and you have a major now upgrade available for a B or C prospect you do it. By the time Devers is in his prime, you'll be rebuilding or he'll be in his prime in another uniform

 

Our window is 3- maybe 4- years not one.

 

There is a strong probability Devers can help in 2- maybe 3- of those years at a minimal financial cost.

 

Trading for a 2 month rental helps us for just one playoff cycle, and even then most likely at a very small winning probability increase in this one year.

 

I do think we should trade for a rental, but not one that will cost us Devers, Groome or Travis.

[a700hitter]

Our window is 3- maybe 4- years not one.

 

There is a strong probability Devers can help in 2- maybe 3- of those years at a minimal financial cost.

 

Trading for a 2 month rental helps us for just one playoff cycle, and even then most likely at a very small winning probability increase in this one year.

 

I do think we should trade for a rental, but not one that will cost us Devers, Groome or Travis.

And don't forget that outside f that window is a cliff.

[moonslav59]

And don't forget that outside f that window is a cliff.

 

Players like Devers, Groome and Travis represent a big part of any hopes to turn that pending cliff into a hill.

 

In 4-5 years, we must avoid finishing in last place 2 times in a row, or we'll be hearing about DD like we do now for Ben for years to come.

[a700hitter]

Players like Devers, Groome and Travis represent a big part of any hopes to turn that pending cliff into a hill.

 

In 4-5 years, we must avoid finishing in last place 2 times in a row, or we'll be hearing about DD like we do now for Ben for years to come.

3 times in 4 years. DD gets a pass if it is only twice in a row.

[moonslav59]

3 times in 4 years. DD gets a pass if it is only twice in a row.

 

First, get the ring.

[oldtimer]

Players like Devers, Groome and Travis represent a big part of any hopes to turn that pending cliff into a hill.

 

In 4-5 years, we must avoid finishing in last place 2 times in a row, or we'll be hearing about DD like we do now for Ben for years to come.

 

I would also put Lin on the do not trade list as he looks to be our infield utility guy of the resent and future. Time will tell if his plate approach will result in strong enoough numbers to stick, but his defense already is very high quality.

[moonslav59]

I would also put Lin on the do not trade list as he looks to be our infield utility guy of the resent and future. Time will tell if his plate approach will result in strong enoough numbers to stick, but his defense already is very high quality.

 

A 36 PA sample size should never make anyone untouchable.

[cp176]

I would also put Lin on the do not trade list as he looks to be our infield utility guy of the resent and future. Time will tell if his plate approach will result in strong enoough numbers to stick, but his defense already is very high quality.

 

I do think that Lin has played well for us but I think that we have others that might do as well given the opportunity. I still think that a healthy Hernandez could be a very valuable player for us. Utility guys are important to have but we seem to stockpile them.

[moonslav59]

I do think that Lin has played well for us but I think that we have others that might do as well given the opportunity. I still think that a healthy Hernandez could be a very valuable player for us. Utility guys are important to have but we seem to stockpile them.

 

Agreed, but I think oldtimer was looking at the utility position for mostly this year, and Marco is out all year.

 

With the possible return of Holt, trading Lin while his stock is high has some merit, but only if we get a healthy 3Bman.

[a700hitter]

First, get the ring.

No, first he came in last place.

[oldtimer]

A 36 PA sample size should never make anyone untouchable.

 

You are indicating that Devers and Travis would be two you would not trade and one has no ML appearances and the other has very limited ones. Lin looks to be a valuable utility man this year and possibly into the future. He seems to have most of the tools to be a good player for the Sox, certainly missing the power. If we keep him around we will get a look at what he can do at the plate on a more sustained basis.

[moonslav59]

No, first he came in last place.

 

So, you'd prefer 2 last place finishes over 3 last place finishes surrounding a ring.

 

To each his own, I guess.

[a700hitter]

So, you'd prefer 2 last place finishes over 3 last place finishes surrounding a ring.

 

To each his own, I guess.

I was just correcting you on the order, but I see no reason why a Championship should be preceded or folewed by last place finishes. And I think DD will build teams that don't finish last.

[moonslav59]

You are indicating that Devers and Travis would be two you would not trade and one has no ML appearances and the other has very limited ones. Lin looks to be a valuable utility man this year and possibly into the future. He seems to have most of the tools to be a good player for the Sox, certainly missing the power. If we keep him around we will get a look at what he can do at the plate on a more sustained basis.

 

He's been in the system for 6 years.

 

I'm not saying no player ever does significantly better in the majors, but it is very rare for a .638 career minor leaguer with almost 2000 PAs to suddenly "get it" at the big league level.

 

I'm not saying I want to demote him or trade him, but I'm trusting the 1954 PA sample size over the 36 one.

 

Keep playing Lin. There's no rush to do anything right now, but even 3 more weeks of good hitting by Lin will not convince me he is the answer for us at 3B this year. He may end up being our utility IF'er someday. He has some other useful tools. As far as his hit tool goes, his sample size is going to have to be way larger than even 100 PAs for me to become a believer.

[oldtimer]

As far as the idea of trading for someone with power, I just look at the guys who are in the field for us these days, and most are home grown. Funny how the reverse is true for the pitchers.

 

Our outfield is 100% homegrown with the exception of our substitute Young. In the infield, we have Pedroia, Bogie and now Lin and Marrero with Moreland being the exception. our backup at first is Travis and you could make a case that Hanley came up through our system although he has had a long journey. I believe Vazquez is home grown whild Leon we got through a trade.

 

With that, why not believe Devers will be our next solid field player that is home grown?