Farrell

[moonslav59]

100% if holt doesnt try that steal pitch #4 to JBj is ball four. 1st and 2nd and 1 out. we then have 2 shots to get a basehit to tie the game with nunez and betts all with Betances out of sync. instead he inexplicably and inexcusably sent holt and single handedly killed the game. JF completely mis managed that inning and 100% cost us the game.

 

So, are we 3?

[illinoisredsox]

Virtually no one agreed with me either when I pointed out that they sent old with one out in the ninth and Bradley up. JF risked two outs (which happened) instead of giving Bradley a chance to advance him or drive him in. We were down one. My opinion that was not good baseball and Isand by it.

 

And I will respectfully disagree. As I said the other day, Betances should be easy to run on with that high leg kick. No idea of what kind of jump Holt got, but Sanchez made a perfect throw and Gregorius was blocking the base, forcing Holt to go around him on the dive. The Yankees made the play. A feet first slide may well have enabled Holt to be safe, and if nothing else, Gregorius would think twice about blocking the base with his knee next time.

 

That being said, one minor factor here may well have been the fact that Bradley, at the time, was 0-9 (now 0-10) vs. Betances with 6 Ks and 1 BB.

[Bellhorn04]

So, we're a minority of 2.

 

oldtimer is questioning a particular move, not calling him an idiot, moron, should be locked up etc...little different.

[moonslav59]

oldtimer is questioning a particular move, not calling him an idiot, moron, should be locked up etc...little different.

 

You missed "imbecile".

[Bellhorn04]

You missed "imbecile".

 

Covered by the 'etc.'.

[cp176]

What ever happened to the old reasonable moon? He seems to have morphed into seabeachfred somewhere along the line.

 

oh nononono! he is just developing into his own person! (that's a joke moon)

[moonslav59]

oh nononono! he is just developing into his own person! (that's a joke moon)

 

This is really something new for me. I'm almost always the last guy calling for a manager to be let go.

 

I gave Bobby V longer than anyone.

 

I even supported Grady Little leaving Pedro in that game.

 

It's not "new" in the sense that I have just begun thinking JF is not a good manager. I've felt this way for a long time.

 

I guess I could tame my hyperbole as "imbecile" is apparently 2 levels smarter than an idiot.

 

I'll stop calling him an idiot and moron from now on.

 

JF is merely an imbecile.

 

 

[Spudboy]

What ever happened to the old reasonable moon? He seems to have morphed into seabeachfred somewhere along the line.

 

Lol.

[Dojji]

To me, it seems JF is complete idiot. Only this recent winning stretch has made me a minority of one.

 

3 weeks ago, I was part of a majority.

 

I guess, all of a sudden, in just 3 weeks, JF has become smarter than an imbecile.

 

This is your brain on confirmation bias. You've already decided Farrell is an idiot, so file everything new in one of two boxes.

 

Box 1: THINGS THAT PROVE ME RIGHT

 

Box 2: THINGS THAT I IGNORE.

 

I'm a former addict myself, I know the struggles of a recovering confirmation bias addict. It's a hell of a drug.

[Slasher9]

So, are we 3?

 

yes. i defended JF for years. a few weeks ago i posted i am done with him. i stand by that decision. he has done WAY too many head scratching moves. forget his lack of "gut instinct" - at this point, the "numbers" dont even justify his moves. we are literally winning in spite of him.

[Dojji]

yes. i defended JF for years. a few weeks ago i posted i am done with him. i stand by that decision. he has done WAY too many head scratching moves. forget his lack of "gut instinct" - at this point, the "numbers" dont even justify his moves. we are literally winning in spite of him.

 

Amazing how we've done that so consistently in each of the last 2 seasons. It's almost like spiting John Farrell has an asset value all its own.

[moonslav59]

This is your brain on confirmation bias. You've already decided Farrell is an idiot, so file everything new in one of two boxes.

 

Box 1: THINGS THAT PROVE ME RIGHT

 

Box 2: THINGS THAT I IGNORE.

 

I'm a former addict myself, I know the struggles of a recovering confirmation bias addict. It's a hell of a drug.

 

I don't ignore much. That's part of my OCD.

[Dojji]

You're ignoring our current run of success right now. An you just spent a long angry post explaining why

 

"ignore" doesn't mean fail to notice.

[moonslav59]

You're ignoring our current run of success right now. An you just spent a long angry post explaining why

 

"ignore" doesn't mean fail to notice.

 

I'm not ignoring our winning stretch. I've mentioned it in recent posts on this thread. Like this...

 

"Only this recent winning stretch has made me a minority of one. 3 weeks ago, I was part of a majority."

 

I get that many feel a team's win-loss record is all that counts in judging a manager. I've never been like that.

 

3 weeks ago, many on this board were ready to roast JF alive. Does a three week winning stretch really suddenly make JF a worthy manager?

 

To me, it's absurd to change one's opinion several times within a season based on how hot or cold the team happens to be.

 

I hope what I'm about to say doesn't happen, but I can see us losing in the playoffs due to some bumbling managerial decision and/or several fundamental (mental) mistakes made by our players, and you watch all the hang JF posters come alive.

 

It will be the same JF as now, and it's the same JF from 3 weeks ago, one year ago, etc...

 

 

Just because I am not giving JF credit for our recent winning ways, does not mean I am ignoring the fact that we are winning despite JF, despite countless mental blunders -even in wins, and despite awful line-up choices.

 

Edited August 21, 2017 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

Brock Holt starting at 1B tonight and batting 7th vs a RHP.

 

That's now 7 starts out of 14 games in a stretch where we had 5 days off out of the last 20 games (counting tonight's).

 

Yes, Pedey has been out, but this is not to give players a rest.

 

It's because JF thinks Holt gives us a better chance at winning than others.

 

Is it his hitting? (.663 OPS since 2016-worst on Sox with 400+ PAs)

 

Is it his defense? (-8.9 UZR/150- worst on Sox since 2016 with 500+ innings)

 

Is it infatuation?

Edited August 21, 2017 by moonslav59

[cp176]

Brock Holt starting at 1B tonight and batting 7th vs a RHP.

 

That's now 7 starts out of 14 games in a stretch where we had 5 days off out of the last 20 games (counting tonight's).

 

Yes, Pedey has been out, but this is not to give players a rest.

 

It's because JF thinks Holt gives us a better chance at winning than others.

 

Is it his hitting? (.663 OPS since 2016-worst on Sox with 400+ PAs)

 

Is it his defense? (-8.9 UZR/150- worst on Sox since 2016 with 500+ innings)

 

Is it infatuation?

 

Being a duly diagnosed OCD guy all the way myself, i think that I do understand where you are coming from. I'm not sure that I am in the let's get rid of Farrell group to the extent that some are (can i say that without naming names here? am I safe?), but I appreciate the conviction with which you and some others express yourselves. if they continue to play hard for him even though it isn't always prefaced by being smart and they keep winning, I would probably go with keeping him.

[Spudboy]

Brock Holt starting at 1B tonight and batting 7th vs a RHP.

 

That's now 7 starts out of 14 games in a stretch where we had 5 days off out of the last 20 games (counting tonight's).

 

Yes, Pedey has been out, but this is not to give players a rest.

 

It's because JF thinks Holt gives us a better chance at winning than others.

 

Is it his hitting? (.663 OPS since 2016-worst on Sox with 400+ PAs)

 

Is it his defense? (-8.9 UZR/150- worst on Sox since 2016 with 500+ innings)

 

Is it infatuation?

 

Is it that Farrell has reason that you may not be aware of?

[a700hitter]

Brock Holt starting at 1B tonight and batting 7th vs a RHP.

 

That's now 7 starts out of 14 games in a stretch where we had 5 days off out of the last 20 games (counting tonight's).

 

Yes, Pedey has been out, but this is not to give players a rest.

 

It's because JF thinks Holt gives us a better chance at winning than others.

 

Is it his hitting? (.663 OPS since 2016-worst on Sox with 400+ PAs)

 

Is it his defense? (-8.9 UZR/150- worst on Sox since 2016 with 500+ innings)

 

Is it infatuation?

Moreland has a neck injury.

[moonslav59]

Is it that Farrell has reason that you may not be aware of?

 

That assumes imbeciles have the ability to reason.

 

Even if Moreland is hurt, HRam could have played 1B and Young could play vs the RHP as the DH. Young has done pretty well vs RHPs this year, and even his 2-3 year numbers vs RHPs compare favorably with Holt's over the last 2-3 years.

[moonslav59]

Moreland has a neck injury.

 

Young, too?

[moonslav59]

It might be time to go back to 12 pitchers.

[a700hitter]

Young, too?

Probably doesn't want to put Hanley at 1B too much and the lefty-righty thing.

[moonslav59]

Probably doesn't want to put Hanley at 1B too much and the lefty-righty thing.

 

Holt's career splits are very close to even, so it's not really about him hitting lefty, it's about how poorly Young has been vs RHPs over his career...

 

until this year (.810 in 133 PAs).

 

Holt actually hits lefties better, but it's close.

 

Career splits:

Young: .710 v R/.833 v L

B Holt: .690 v R/.707 v L

 

I'm not going to make a big deal over .710 vs .690, but Young has done better vs righties this year than in a long time.

 

[a700hitter]

Holt's career splits are very close to even, so it's not really about him hitting lefty, it's about how poorly Young has been vs RHPs over his career...

 

until this year (.810 in 133 PAs).

 

Holt actually hits lefties better, but it's close.

 

Career splits:

Young: .710 v R/.833 v L

B Holt: .690 v R/.707 v L

 

I'm not going to make a big deal over .710 vs .690, but Young has done better vs righties this year than in a long time.

 

More importantly, Young can't play 1B.

[moonslav59]

More importantly, Young can't play 1B.

 

I could argue neither can Holt, but we all know HRam can.

[Maxbialystock]

No comment. Edited August 22, 2017 by Maxbialystock

[Maxbialystock]

I could argue neither can Holt, but we all know HRam can.

 

Tough play on that error. Holt moved in quickly and in fact fielded the bunt headed straight toward Workman. But he either hesitated or mishandled it which gave him little chance to get that runner. Without that mistake and the resulting bad AND rushed throw, he had a good chance of getting the runner out even though a tag was required. Runner to 1b was unimportant given tie game, bottom of 9th. HanRam can play 1b, but I'm not sure he makes that play. His OPS at 1b is .611, but .804 as a DH. Since you surmise HanRam would have been flawless on that play, maybe I can surmise he would not have hit that crucial dinger if he were playing 1b.

 

I get that you don't like Holt. I'm no fan either. All I'm saying is that replacing the injured Moreland with Holt and leaving HRam as the DH was not as irrational as you claim.

 

Your assertion about going back to 12 pitchers makes sense, but who do you bring up and how confident are you that the extra bullpen arm is not needed?

Edited August 22, 2017 by Maxbialystock

[Bellhorn04]

Holt has been playing too much lately, I agree with that part. I just don't think it's reason to crucify Farrell.

[SoxnCycles]

It'll be interesting to see if the Sox FO fires a manager that wins 95 (give or take) and wins the division.

[Slasher9]

Holt has been playing too much lately, I agree with that part. I just don't think it's reason to crucify Farrell.

 

it's the nail in the left wrist. the rest of the crucifixion is the use of bullpen, batting order, pinch running, errors, bone headed plays. enough is enough i think.