Farrell

[oldtimer]

Last night, Bogaerts finally got a couple of hits, but then ran into two outs on the base paths. Was he encouraged to be aggressive or is this still another case of management misdirection. The Sox already have racked up more outs on the bases than any other club.

[a700hitter]

Last night, Bogaerts finally got a couple of hits, but then ran into two outs on the base paths. Was he encouraged to be aggressive or is this still another case of management misdirection. The Sox already have racked up more outs on the bases than any other club.

The base running has been atrocious and dumb, not at all effectively aggressive. I think it has damaged our run production. XB's base running rocks yesterday cost us a minimum of 2 runs. That is huge. We should have won yesterday in a blow out. Not on extra innings.

[mvp 78]

Fire the bum.

[Spudboy]

The base running is not the only area of weakness on this team. It is glaring at times for sure.

 

How about the fundamentals of playing left field as another example? Previously I have spoken about Beni playing too close to the wall when playing a carom. This leads to the ball getting past him and leaking into left field where either JBJ has to back him up or Beni need to run to retrieve the ball. It seems to me that some coaching coaching could help fix this. Yes, experience counts too. I was hoping to see progress on this aspect of Beni's game this year but it has not happened.

 

Earlier this week the NESN broadcast team made a couple of mentions of Beni's strong or excellent arm. Really?

 

Last night I saw another example of his poor throws from left. There were runners on base and the batter singled to left. Beni launched a throw that ended up being caught by the pitcher who was standing about 1?2 way up the right field line and about half way between the line and the mound. Where was he intending for this ball to go? The Sox were lucky that runners did not advance because the pitcher fielded the errant throw cleanly.

 

I have seen a lot of Beni's throws off target and at times being thrown to the wrong base or cut-off man. His throws are erratic, inaccurate, and go to the wrong location too many times. To say that the outfield defense is strong or exceptional is wrong.

 

If you doubt my observations or comments just watch closely. You will see it too.

 

I say bring Yaz into play and let him show Beni the way to play left field. He is very gifted athletically but continues to be raw in fielding his position. It should be an easy fix.

 

Is there a fielding metric that represents the accuracy and effectiveness of outfielder's throws?

 

I don't need to see it if it does exist. I can see lousy and ineffective play with my naked eye.

 

Anyone who was schooled in fundamental techniques of a position knows what I am talking about.

Edited July 30, 2017 by Spudboy

[cp176]

The base running is not the only area of weakness on this team. It is glaring at times for sure.

 

How about the fundamentals of playing left field as another example? Previously I have spoken about Beni playing too close to the wall when playing a carom. This leads to the ball getting past him and leaking into left field where either JBJ has to back him up or Beni need to run to retrieve the ball. It seems to me that some coaching coaching could help fix this. Yes, experience counts too. I was hoping to see progress on this aspect of Beni's game this year but it has not happened.

 

Earlier this week the NESN broadcast team made a couple of mentions of Beni's strong or excellent arm. Really?

 

Last night I saw another example of his poor throws from left. There were runners on base and the batter singled to left. Beni launched a throw that ended up being caught by the pitcher who was standing about 1?2 way up the right field line and about half way between the line and the mound. Where was he intending for this ball to go? The Sox were lucky that runners did not advance because the pitcher fielded the errant throw cleanly.

 

I have seen a lot of Beni's throws off target and at times being thrown to the wrong base or cut-off man. His throws are erratic, inaccurate, and go to the wrong location too many times. To say that the outfield defense is strong or exceptional is wrong.

 

If you doubt my observations or comments just watch closely. You will see it too.

 

I say bring Yaz into play and let him show Beni the way to play left field. He is very gifted athletically but continues to be raw in fielding his position. It should be an easy fix.

 

Is there a fielding metric that represents the accuracy and effectiveness of outfielder's throws?

 

I don't need to see it if it does exist. I can see lousy and ineffective play with my naked eye.

 

Anyone who was schooled in fundamental techniques of a position knows what I am talking about.

 

I saw the throw that you are talking about. It was 25 feet over the cutoff man's head. I felt at the time that it was bad fundamental bb. He has played in the outfield for a long time now and should know better. They all need to be held accountable when they screw up like this. They all already know what to do and where the ball should be thrown too. if they aren't executing these types of pretty simple plays the right way, it might be that they aren't really being held accountable for their mistakes. Not enough just to say that they know better and laugh it off.

[a700hitter]

I saw the throw that you are talking about. It was 25 feet over the cutoff man's head. I felt at the time that it was bad fundamental bb. He has played in the outfield for a long time now and should know better. They all need to be held accountable when they screw up like this. They all already know what to do and where the ball should be thrown too. if they aren't executing these types of pretty simple plays the right way, it might be that they aren't really being held accountable for their mistakes. Not enough just to say that they know better and laugh it off.

Don't they think about what they are going to do with the ball before the ball is hit.

[cp176]

Don't they think about what they are going to do with the ball before the ball is hit.

 

I was a 9 year old farm teamer playing second base when my Grandfather gave me the run down on this one. It is about as simple as it can get.

[OH FOY]

Bogaerts is turning into a slap hitter. He's got to drive it, hit for more Power. His swing stinks right now. Got to shake it.

[oldtimer]

Don't they think about what they are going to do with the ball before the ball is hit.

 

That is part of baseball fundamentals on all plays. Be in the game and know what play to make for every possibility.

[oldtimer]

Oh no! After a nice game pitched by Pom, Barnes came in and got unlucky with an error by Bogey and then loaded the bases and gave up a single to tie the game. With runners on 2nd and 3rd, the Royals are likely to take the lead and leave us with a hill to climb. We just have some tough situations this year. A little BP help was needed, but we haven't got it.

[iortiz]

Farrell is an idiot. He is killing this team. He has to go.

[OH FOY]

Why pitch Workman for 1 batter?

[Spudboy]

Don't they think about what they are going to do with the ball before the ball is hit.

 

That is the only train of thought for a player. At least it should be.

 

Maybe Beni has ADD or something.

 

He is not the only one. Today Betts pegged the ball to the plate pretty much on-line maybe 7-10 feet up the 3rd base line. It short hopped but was manageable.

 

Vasquez booted it and it went rolling past him.

 

He should have had it but I believe he was fixated on throwing the ball to second or something.

 

It was costly.

 

The entire team is sucking a bag of dicks fundamentally.

 

This is not "under performance". It is just s***** baseball being played by a team that should know how to play.

 

Sad.

[Maxbialystock]

The base running is not the only area of weakness on this team. It is glaring at times for sure.

 

How about the fundamentals of playing left field as another example? Previously I have spoken about Beni playing too close to the wall when playing a carom. This leads to the ball getting past him and leaking into left field where either JBJ has to back him up or Beni need to run to retrieve the ball. It seems to me that some coaching coaching could help fix this. Yes, experience counts too. I was hoping to see progress on this aspect of Beni's game this year but it has not happened.

 

Earlier this week the NESN broadcast team made a couple of mentions of Beni's strong or excellent arm. Really?

 

Last night I saw another example of his poor throws from left. There were runners on base and the batter singled to left. Beni launched a throw that ended up being caught by the pitcher who was standing about 1?2 way up the right field line and about half way between the line and the mound. Where was he intending for this ball to go? The Sox were lucky that runners did not advance because the pitcher fielded the errant throw cleanly.

 

I have seen a lot of Beni's throws off target and at times being thrown to the wrong base or cut-off man. His throws are erratic, inaccurate, and go to the wrong location too many times. To say that the outfield defense is strong or exceptional is wrong.

 

If you doubt my observations or comments just watch closely. You will see it too.

 

I say bring Yaz into play and let him show Beni the way to play left field. He is very gifted athletically but continues to be raw in fielding his position. It should be an easy fix.

 

Is there a fielding metric that represents the accuracy and effectiveness of outfielder's throws?

 

I don't need to see it if it does exist. I can see lousy and ineffective play with my naked eye.

 

Anyone who was schooled in fundamental techniques of a position knows what I am talking about.

 

DWAR ratings rank Benintendi as the third best fielding leftfielder in the AL and better than Brett Gardner.

[oldtimer]

Well, we have Fister going against Cleveland next so another loss is right around the corner. We have lost 6 of 8 and more to come. Little has be done to stop the bleeding. Turns out Devers should have come up earlier and we did need another power hitter and a BP 8th inning bridge. Hard to watch our wunderkids have trouble putting a bat on the ball. What did Eck say? (Yuk)

[Maxbialystock]

Since this is the Farrell thread, I have a couple of criticisms. Barnes isn't the only Sox pitcher who seems oblivious when it's time to play defense by covering first or backing up home plate or whatever. Sale is an exception, but of course he learned the basics in another system that didn't tolerate the bs.

 

Here's one that just kills me. Our hitters generally can't came near a slider breaking away from them. Why? Partly because they are weak on pitch recognition and partly because the slider can be really effective if it has some break to it and is thrown in the right place, mostly low. Anyway, against us it's a killer pitch.

 

On the other hand almost none of our 12 pitchers--or the others who come and go--has a good slider. I think Sale's is pretty good but even he doesn't consistently put it where it can do the most good.

 

While my natural preference is to blame the pitchers when the bullpen screws up, today I thought Farrell was way too reticent on pulling Barnes, then later acted like bringing in a new arm was the most natural thing in the world and he does it of course after the horse is out of the barn.

 

It sure looks as though Farrell is not the right guy for this team, at least not this year.

[Spudboy]

DWAR ratings rank Benintendi as the third best fielding leftfielder in the AL and better than Brett Gardner.

 

So much for defensive metrics.

 

I acknowledge that you have a much bigger penis than me because you have totally invalidated my observation with numbers.

 

Cool.

 

I am sure that you must be beaming with pride.

[Maxbialystock]

So much for defensive metrics.

 

I acknowledge that you have a much bigger penis than me because you have totally invalidated my observation with numbers.

 

Cool.

 

I am sure that you must be beaming with pride.

 

I was just quoting some facts that happen to reinforce my impressions of Benintendi. You seem to have forgotten a couple of things about him. 1. He has mostly played centerfield in the minors and before. 2. This is his first full season in MLB after skipping AAA last year. 3. The green monster has made things difficult for a lot of other leftfielders because it is tricky, as is the way the left field stands are almost in LF. 4. He has also made some very good plays, does have a pretty good arm, and has 6 assists to 3 errors, not too shabby. 5. He is hands down the best leftfielder the Sox have, certainly better than Young, for example.

 

What's with the insults, by the way?

[Spudboy]

I was just quoting some facts that happen to reinforce my impressions of Benintendi. You seem to have forgotten a couple of things about him. 1. He has mostly played centerfield in the minors and before. 2. This is his first full season in MLB after skipping AAA last year. 3. The green monster has made things difficult for a lot of other leftfielders because it is tricky, as is the way the left field stands are almost in LF. 4. He has also made some very good plays, does have a pretty good arm, and has 6 assists to 3 errors, not too shabby. 5. He is hands down the best leftfielder the Sox have, certainly better than Young, for example.

 

What's with the insults, by the way?

 

How is conceding your superiority an insult?

 

By the way, I am aware of all of your points. I voiced my observations and they are valid. You discredit them with a stat that does not convey the total picture.

 

I should be insulted by your comment and seeming need to one-up me.

 

But I am not.

 

Anyone who knows how the game should be played should recognize the things that I have seen.

[cp176]

How is conceding your superiority an insult?

 

By the way, I am aware of all of your points. I voiced my observations and they are valid. You discredit them with a stat that does not convey the total picture.

 

I should be insulted by your comment and seeming need to one-up me.

 

But I am not.

 

Anyone who knows how the game should be played should recognize the things that I have seen.

 

ok - now we are talking. You two guys are both great and you are killing me here. Great entertainment. This is what this forum should be all about. We all need to laugh more!

[a700hitter]

The metrics are dead wrong if they have Benintendi as a better LFer than Gardner. Gardner takes better routes to balls and makes much better decisions once he get to the ball. Benintendi has made a lot of face palm stupid plays out there that high schoolers wouldn't make. I don't know if the metrics measure poor decisions, but Benitendi is way ahead of Gardner in that category. This is not an opinion influenced by bias as I despise Gardner more than any other Yankee. He is the Yankee who I would punch in the face if a brawl broke out. Maybe Benintendi will improve, but for every excellent play he makes he cancels that by pulling a rock.

[Kimmi]

Last night, Bogaerts finally got a couple of hits, but then ran into two outs on the base paths. Was he encouraged to be aggressive or is this still another case of management misdirection. The Sox already have racked up more outs on the bases than any other club.

 

Farrell has said that he encourages the players to be aggressive. In Bogaerts case, it was a struggling player trying too hard to make something happen.

 

Our overall baserunning runs right now stands at -0.6, but that is due to the large number of GIDPs that we get. We are in the positive zone for 'taking the extra base' at +1.6 and for stolen bases at +0.6. Yes, we run into more outs than any other team, but that is because we take more chances. Overall, the aggressiveness is helping the team, not hurting it.

[moonslav59]

Losing sure brings out the best of us.

[Kimmi]

Well, we have Fister going against Cleveland next so another loss is right around the corner. We have lost 6 of 8 and more to come. Little has be done to stop the bleeding. Turns out Devers should have come up earlier and we did need another power hitter and a BP 8th inning bridge. Hard to watch our wunderkids have trouble putting a bat on the ball. What did Eck say? (Yuk)

 

Think positively oldtimer. Cleveland looks tough, but if the Pale Sox can beat them, then we can beat them. I'm not thrilled about Fister, but anything can happen in a baseball game.

[moonslav59]

Think positively oldtimer. Cleveland looks tough, but if the Pale Sox can beat them, then we can beat them. I'm not thrilled about Fister, but anything can happen in a baseball game.

 

Maybe the silent bats will rise up and do what it takes to bail Fister out.

[jacksonianmarch]

Cleveland is similar to NY in a way. Outside of two starters, their rotation is suspect. But as the games get later, their relievers are dynamite. If you're behind in the middle innings, you're going to lose

[Maxbialystock]

How is conceding your superiority an insult?

 

By the way, I am aware of all of your points. I voiced my observations and they are valid. You discredit them with a stat that does not convey the total picture.

 

I should be insulted by your comment and seeming need to one-up me.

 

But I am not.

 

Anyone who knows how the game should be played should recognize the things that I have seen.

 

Well, apparently the DWAR compilers heard you because today Gardner is ranked higher than Benintendi. No question Gardner runs better routes, etc, but I am not down on Benintendi to the degree you are because of the reasons I gave. At the same age, 23, Gardner was still in the minors and didn't play his first full season with the Yankees until 2010, when he was 27. Ellsbury's first full season with the Sox was 2008 when he was 24 (he turned 25 that year). Benintendi was born in 1994 and has already turned 23 this year.

 

So, you are absolutely right in slamming the DWAR, but I disagree that Benintendi is as bad as you (and others) say he is.

[a700hitter]

Maybe the silent bats will rise up and do what it takes to bail Fister out.

We don't have the lumber. We have a contingent of dwarfs and elves that can't carry heavy bats. Edited July 31, 2017 by a700hitter

[Slasher9]

i dont think LF defense is an issue on the 2017 Red Sox.

[cp176]

i dont think LF defense is an issue on the 2017 Red Sox.

 

Slasher - good to hear from you - give me some Pom Pom love. I only want to watch our guys when either Sale or the Pom Pom have the ball. It is sad. i need a lighter mood. I am rappelling slowly down the cliff of oblivion dreaming dreams of mindless statistical jibber jabber. help me