Matt Barnes suspended for four games and fined

[Emp9]

did you watch the game? he tried 3 pitches in a row to drill him in the leg.

 

Yes I watched it and "drill" is an exaggeration.

[Emp9]

If EMP has his way:

pedroia gets spiked by a dirty slide by machado and is injured and misses 3 games.

pedroia blabbers "no retribution".

the Red Sox put Pedroia above baseball and does nothing to retaliate.

Machado and the rest of the league take notice that the Red sox roll over.

next week, next month, next season, machado (or some other slug) has zero fear about retaliation because they know they can be dirty with no consequence and proceeds to truck bogaerts and snaps his knee in half ending his baseball career.

thanks pedroia. glad you and machado are still such good friends and he knows you didn't allow baseball players to enforce baseball. hope you give Xander half your salary......

 

Thanks Miss Cleo and your butterfly effect. But what if this brought world peace at the end??? LOL

[S5Dewey]

You're right, good friends, because they CARE SO MUCH, usually wait two whole days. Come on dude. You're better than that.

 

No. They did what they had to do. As I posted earlier, personally I would have liked to have seen Machado get plunked immediately but given what the emotions were at the time it would have resulted in suspensions for a lot of Red Sox players. Instead they did the prudent thing, waited for the emotions to abate a bit and made their statement. It's nothing new for teams to wait a game or two to do what they need to do. It happens all the time. It's why umpires will often warn both teams before the game on the day after someone gets hit.

 

IMHO everyone on both teams knows what happened and they know why it happened. The two days isn't the issue. The issue is how Pedey and the rest of the team handled the retaliation.

[Slasher9]

Yes I watched it and "drill" is an exaggeration.

 

Ok. what do you call 3 straight FB's at the knee? the 1-0 pitch was so far inside it is off the Fangraphs chart.

[Emp9]

No. They did what they had to do. As I posted earlier, personally I would have liked to have seen Machado get plunked immediately but given what the emotions were at the time it would have resulted in suspensions for a lot of Red Sox players. Instead they did the prudent thing, waited for the emotions to abate a bit and made their statement. It's nothing new for teams to wait a game or two to do what they need to do. It happens all the time. It's why umpires will often warn both teams before the game on the day after someone gets hit.

 

IMHO everyone on both teams knows what happened and they know why it happened. The two days isn't the issue. The issue is how Pedey and the rest of the team handled the retaliation.

 

Well, I agree to disagree then. To begin with, I don't think the bad slide was intentional. Therefore, I don't think retaliation was necessary.

 

Pedroia has always been a straight shooter, a leader, a player that hustles and gives his all on the field, has always stuck up for his teammates on and off the field, one might say a Dirt Dog even (yes that was for you Slash ). There's simply zero track record of Pedroia as anything else. So if he's upset about how something is handled, I'm going to take note. I'm not going to bash him to appease some silly peer pressure.

 

BTW, I hate the O's too.

[S5Dewey]

Well, I agree to disagree then.

 

BTW, I hate the O's too.

 

I'm good with that. Both things, in fact, even though their UIF is a Maine boy!

[dgalehouse]

It seemed to me that E-Rod was told to drill Machado, but he did not have his heart in it. Pretty sure he could have hit him if he really wanted to. Don't know if Barnes was told to do it or he did it on his own. Either way , you don't throw at a guy's head. Give Barnes the benefit of the doubt if you must , but it sure looked like he threw at the head to me. I can't blame Pedroia for not wanting to be associated with that. Pedroia has long been respected throughout baseball. Not so sure about Barnes. How much do we know about him? Is he liked and respected in the clubhouse and around the league ? Anyway , the whole thing reflects poorly on Farrell and his leadership. The retaliation should have taken place at the first opportunity.

[cp176]

I'm good with that. Both things, in fact, even though their UIF is a Maine boy!

 

and a damn good one too

[Fisk]

Barnes dropped his appeal will be back Sunday.

[Bellhorn04]

The more I think about this, the more I think there's even more to it than we know so far. I'm thinking that there had been some discussions before this game about how to handle the reprisal, and that Pedroia had disagreed with how Farrell wanted to do it. So when Pedroia acted like he did after the pitch by Barnes it wasn't a spontaneous thing.

 

That suggests open dissent in the clubhouse and a problem that could linger all season. Not good at all.

[cp176]

The more I think about this, the more I think there's even more to it than we know so far. I'm thinking that there had been some discussions before this game about how to handle the reprisal, and that Pedroia had disagreed with how Farrell wanted to do it. So when Pedroia acted like he did after the pitch by Barnes it wasn't a spontaneous thing.

 

That suggests open dissent in the clubhouse and a problem that could linger all season. Not good at all.

 

I would be willing to bet that there is more to this story. That's why I have suggested that there very well could be a leadership issue here. For all of the people who really hate the idea of signing veterans, if you sign the right ones, they can be extremely valuable. You have to have talent but it takes a lot more than just talent to win over the long haul. Who are the leaders on this team that everyone wants to follow? Championship teams need leaders.

[Bellhorn04]

I would be willing to bet that there is more to this story. That's why I have suggested that there very well could be a leadership issue here. For all of the people who really hate the idea of signing veterans, if you sign the right ones, they can be extremely valuable. You have to have talent but it takes a lot more than just talent to win over the long haul. Who are the leaders on this team that everyone wants to follow? Championship teams need leaders.

 

Your leadership concerns could be 100% valid. One would have hoped Pedroia would have assumed that role. Instead it looks like if he wants to lead anything, it's a mutiny...

[mvp 78]

Your leadership concerns could be 100% valid. One would have hoped Pedroia would have assumed that role. Instead it looks like if he wants to lead anything, it's a mutiny...

 

He's definitely not covering himself in glory. This isn't one of those "Boston Media" stories either. I think there are serious concerns if a clubhouse leader can't back his own teammates publicly. It's a long season. If things don't get back on track, it could get really ugly.

 

It's frustrating. Pedroia had a real bounce back season last year. I was hoping for a repeat performance, but it looks like 2016 could have been an aberration.

[cp176]

He's definitely not covering himself in glory. This isn't one of those "Boston Media" stories either. I think there are serious concerns if a clubhouse leader can't back his own teammates publicly. It's a long season. If things don't get back on track, it could get really ugly.

 

It's frustrating. Pedroia had a real bounce back season last year. I was hoping for a repeat performance, but it looks like 2016 could have been an aberration.

 

They can play the game of "keep this in the clubhouse" all they want and actually I hope they do but it doesn't take a genious to figure out that there are issues here and they need leadership. A team made up of almost entirely young, talented, good kids who need to be led. Pedroia has been a leader on the field but has he really ever been a leader in the clubhouse.? I don't think so. i still think that he will be a productive player but in terms of leading the way - not so much. I know that there are people here who think that having the talent is enough - it isn't.

[mvp 78]

They can play the game of "keep this in the clubhouse" all they want and actually I hope they do but it doesn't take a genious to figure out that there are issues here and they need leadership. A team made up of almost entirely young, talented, good kids who need to be led. Pedroia has been a leader on the field but has he really ever been a leader in the clubhouse.? I don't think so. i still think that he will be a productive player but in terms of leading the way - not so much. I know that there are people here who think that having the talent is enough - it isn't.

 

We really have no idea. However, that interaction with Machado sent up some big smoke signals.

[cp176]

We really have no idea. However, that interaction with Machado sent up some big smoke signals.

 

I know - i agree - just an opinion. I'm also pretty sure that most of us have our own idea as to what a leader should be. There does seem to be some agreement here that he shouldn't have run his mouth.

[Wade Boggs]

We really have no idea. However, that interaction with Machado sent up some big smoke signals.

 

It sure did. It has been addressed by the manager and with the players as well. Hopefully the team can move on from this. The only way that happens is by going on a winning streak. The whole thing was handled wrong by everyone involved. The only thing Pedy did was say the wrong thing and acted like a pussy on the NESN camera.. If you take the love from the player out of you, he should have never said that on field, plus doubling down with reporters after game. Do you think Ortiz would have done or said that stuff. I'll give you your answer............... No. I like Pedy. No trading of him. I just questioned his leadership abilities. I always said the C on the team doesn't have 2 be the best player.

 

Case in point.. Did you see how Chris Sale had his teammates last year. It got him traded . yeah, but he had their backs. The team sucked but the respect factor was there.

[Wade Boggs]

I will run this off. I like Pedy and want him here as a Red Sox for life.. Just don't like how they did it.. Farrell is the manager he ordered it, he does not need anybody's advice on the matter. What he says goes, he's the manager. I see on here why did they just do it the next day... Wright was pitching, a 75 in the ribs might not do the trick. It was the right idea, wrong players following out the plan.JMO

[mvp 78]

It sure did. It has been addressed by the manager and with the players as well. Hopefully the team can move on from this. The only way that happens is by going on a winning streak. The whole thing was handled wrong by everyone involved. The only thing Pedy did was say the wrong thing and acted like a pussy on the NESN camera.. If you take the love from the player out of you, he should have never said that on field, plus doubling down with reporters after game. Do you think Ortiz would have done or said that stuff. I'll give you your answer............... No. I like Pedy. No trading of him. I just questioned his leadership abilities. I always said the C on the team doesn't have 2 be the best player.

 

Case in point.. Did you see how Chris Sale had his teammates last year. It got him traded . yeah, but he had their backs. The team sucked but the respect factor was there.

 

Yup, streaking would be nice.

 

Sale always had his teammates' backs. That's why I never saw him as a dreaded "clubhouse cancer." He spoke up and acted out, but ultimately it was for his teammates.

[mvp 78]

I will run this off. I like Pedy and want him here as a Red Sox for life.. Just don't like how they did it.. Farrell is the manager he ordered it, he does not need anybody's advice on the matter. What he says goes, he's the manager. I see on here why did they just do it the next day... Wright was pitching, a 75 in the ribs might not do the trick. It was the right idea, wrong players following out the plan.JMO

 

Wright's FB is about 84 MPH. Not horrible. It's risky to get a starter tossed, but it's not like he was pitching very well either.

[Bellhorn04]

Let's face it, they couldn't have f***ed this up any worse if they were trying to.

[mvp 78]

Let's face it, they couldn't have f***ed this up any worse if they were trying to.

 

In my imaginary world, I'd just have them throw at Buck Showalter.

[Bellhorn04]

In my imaginary world, I'd just have them throw at Buck Showalter.

 

Yep. I think the only time you can do it is when he goes out to change pitchers. You really have to be ready because he hustles out there.

[Station 13]

Let's face it, they couldn't have f***ed this up any worse if they were trying to.

 

retaliation should be Eddie's job, he would be suspended, but he wouldn't miss a start.

 

Now Farrell doesn't have his 8th inning guy for 4 games. Fire Farrell.

[Bellhorn04]

retaliation should be Eddie's job, he would be suspended, but he wouldn't miss a start.

 

Now Farrell doesn't have his 8th inning guy for 4 games. Fire Farrell.

 

I think when they suspend a starting pitcher now they make sure he can't start again on regular rest.

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe Pedroia is trying to get Farrell fired.

[mvp 78]

I think when they suspend a starting pitcher now they make sure he can't start again on regular rest.

 

They typically give a 6 day suspension so that ERod would have gotten pushed back a few days.

[Slasher9]

Wright's FB is about 84 MPH. Not horrible. It's risky to get a starter tossed, but it's not like he was pitching very well either.

 

guys, we were never ahead or way behind in those games. it wasn't the time to retaliate. Sunday was the PERFECT time. and that's when they attempted to do it.

[mvp 78]

Maybe Pedroia is trying to get Farrell fired.

 

This is an alternate timeline I could get behind.

[Slasher9]

retaliation should be Eddie's job, he would be suspended, but he wouldn't miss a start.

 

Now Farrell doesn't have his 8th inning guy for 4 games. Fire Farrell.

 

Erod tried to plunk him in the leg 3 pitches in a row. he missed. it happens.