2017 Rotation Discussion

[moonslav59]

There was a report from somebody that Price's beef was with Eck saying 'Yuck' when he heard the numbers from E-Rod's rehab outing.

 

I guess this could be interpreted as Price coming to the defense of a teammate and not a sign that he thinks he's bigger than the team.

 

I'm not sure we'll ever know all the reasonings behind what players say and do.

 

This whole thing does not bother me at all.

[cp176]

In instance after instance Price comes off like a nasty immature jerk-- going all the way back to his feud with Ortiz while Price was still with Tampa. A couple of days ago there was an article by Tomase (I think) that was about Hanley being the unlikely clubhouse leader because of his positive and upbeat personality and he contrasted that to the scowl of David Price which characterizes much of the rest of the clubhouse. He likened the mentoring by Price of AB and Bradley as cancerous like AGon was with young players in 2012.

 

I don't understand such hate and anger directed at a team announcer. Eck was not unfairly critical at all. My recollection was that he pointed out that Price had not covered first base. It wasn't a questionable call. Price had not covered first base, that was his job and it cost the team an out. An announcer's job, especially the color analyst, is to point out these things. Eck was not terribly critical in my recollection. In fact, I think he acknowledged that it had happened to him.

 

And herein perhaps lies the rub. is this really a sign of changing times? Is this what happens when you load up a room with very rich, very young, entitled (in their minds) people? There continues to be something about this team that I just don't like in general.

[mvp 78]

Damn millennials! Ruining baseball and airline travel!

[cp176]

Damn millennials! Ruining baseball and airline travel!

 

Damn them all.

[Jack Flap]

I guess this could be interpreted as Price coming to the defense of a teammate and not a sign that he thinks he's bigger than the team.

 

I'm not sure we'll ever know all the reasonings behind what players say and do.

 

This whole thing does not bother me at all.

 

If he truly just wanted to stand up for a teammate (needless as that would be, as I don't find anything offensive about what Eck said), he'd have pulled Eck aside and had a conversation about his comment like an adult...if this account can be believed, though, that's the exact opposite of what he did.

[moonslav59]

If he truly just wanted to stand up for a teammate (needless as that would be, as I don't find anything offensive about what Eck said), he'd have pulled Eck aside and had a conversation about his comment like an adult...if this account can be believed, though, that's the exact opposite of what he did.

 

I'm not defending Price. I'm just not sure we know all the facts, so I'll hold back judging anyone.

[Jack Flap]

I'm not defending Price. I'm just not sure we know all the facts, so I'll hold back judging anyone.

 

Fair enough. It's quite possible there is more to this story...I certainly hope there's a better explanation than what's been reported publicly.

[moonslav59]

Fair enough. It's quite possible there is more to this story...I certainly hope there's a better explanation than what's been reported publicly.

 

It might have just been the wrong time of the month.

 

It seems like a direct apology was in order, but to me, I don't really worry about this kind of stuff too much.

[S5Dewey]

It might have just been the wrong time of the month.

 

It seems like a direct apology was in order, but to me, I don't really worry about this kind of stuff too much.

 

I don't worry about it in terms of baseball. I just want them to take the field and play well. But it does have an impact on how much I "like" these players, which seems to bleed over into my overall attitude about the team.

[moonslav59]

I don't worry about it in terms of baseball. I just want them to take the field and play well. But it does have an impact on how much I "like" these players, which seems to bleed over into my overall attitude about the team.

 

Understandable, S5.

 

DP is not one of my favorite players, but I usually like to cut these guys some slack. It's a long season. People get grumpy and snippity. Most apologize when these kind of things happen, but I'm not sure we know the whole story, so I'm giving him somewhat of a pass on this one, but if this type of thing continues, then my views could change.

 

[bowman]

F... Price, why didn't he have the balls to confront ECK without everyone around him. He's a f.. *******. Trade his f... ass out of Boston before his arm falls off. He is one of the most over rated players and is not a big time pitcher. Trade him to the National L. and get something for him. I heard the comment ECK made about EROD"S rehab game and he said YUCK>.. WTF.. Nobody was happy about his outing because we were all rooting for him to get back to the rotation. Price was probably more pissed about forgetting to cover first base and took that as an excuse. Grow the hell up. Candy ass...

[Northern Star]

Some news on a different note. Details about Price's confrontation with Eck have were printed last night or this morning.

 

If the reports are true, then it does not paint Price, or his applauding teammates, in a very positive light. I am all for sticking up for your teammates, but this is absolutely no way to treat Eck.

 

From the Globe:

 

"Price was standing near the middle of the team aircraft, surrounded by fellow players, waiting for Eckersley. When Eckersley approached, on his way to the back of the plane (Sox broadcasters traditionally sit in the rear of the aircraft), a grandstanding Price stood in front of Eckersley and shouted, 'Here he is -- the greatest pitcher who ever lived! This game is easy for him!'

 

"When a stunned Eckersley tried to speak, Price shot back with, 'Get the [expletive] out of here!'

 

"Many players applauded.

 

"Eckersley made his way to the back of the plane as players in the middle of the plane started their card games. In the middle of the short flight, Eckersley got up and walked toward the front where Sox boss Dave Dombrowski was seated. When Eckersley passed through the card-playing section in the middle, Price went at him again, shouting, "Get the [expletive] out of here!'"

 

Just became aware of this situation. Taking what's reported on face value, Price was SO far out of line it's ridiculous to draw any other inference. This is yet another red flag to his mental makeup.

 

1. To take offense at what Eck said - ABOUT ANOTHER PLAYER - is ludicrous. What part of expressing displeasure at E-Rod's s***** outing is offensive?

2. To confront Eck publicly and scream obscenities at him - is this real life? Is Price mentally deranged?

 

To paraphrase Christian Bale, I want you off the f***ing set, you prick.

[Northern Star]

F... Price, why didn't he have the balls to confront ECK without everyone around him. He's a f.. *******. Trade his f... ass out of Boston before his arm falls off. He is one of the most over rated players and is not a big time pitcher. Trade him to the National L. and get something for him. I heard the comment ECK made about EROD"S rehab game and he said YUCK>.. WTF.. Nobody was happy about his outing because we were all rooting for him to get back to the rotation. Price was probably more pissed about forgetting to cover first base and took that as an excuse. Grow the hell up. Candy ass...

 

Seconded.

[Bellhorn04]

According to Shaughnessy, and the article on this incident seems to be one of his better efforts, there has been disgruntlement about Eck in the Red Sox clubhouse for several years. Let's also not overlook the report of Sox players applauding Price on the plane.

 

I'm mainly just pointing out that this isn't all about Price acting like a lone nut. He may have been doing this with a lot of support.

[mvp 78]

JBJ trolled Eck 2 years ago on twitter when Eck commented on his cold streak.

 

I have never heard anything Eck could have said that would cause a player to be unprofessional like that. Fault lies with the manager for this stuff.

[cp176]

According to Shaughnessy, and the article on this incident seems to be one of his better efforts, there has been disgruntlement about Eck in the Red Sox clubhouse for several years. Let's also not overlook the report of Sox players applauding Price on the plane.

 

I'm mainly just pointing out that this isn't all about Price acting like a lone nut. He may have been doing this with a lot of support.

 

I was aware of the JBJ situation and of course now Price. Sounds like maybe you have heard that the disgruntlement is more widespread than just these two. What else have you heard?

[bowman]

Agee, the other players involved no names mentioned are just as responsible. Just not the way to handle a situation like this. Sounds like Farrell didn't get involved either, but who knows what went on later on. Maybe we will play better when we fight like the Bronx Zoo. Things were too boring anyway..

[Northern Star]

According to Shaughnessy, and the article on this incident seems to be one of his better efforts, there has been disgruntlement about Eck in the Red Sox clubhouse for several years. Let's also not overlook the report of Sox players applauding Price on the plane.

 

I'm mainly just pointing out that this isn't all about Price acting like a lone nut. He may have been doing this with a lot of support.

 

Whether other players have a problem with Eck and applauded is irrelevant - what Price did was totally, utterly wrong, and very unprofessional.

[Northern Star]

And what is there to have a problem with Eck about, anyway? I don't watch the broadcasts but the examples of his criticisms cited here are legitimate comments that any color man across the league would make.

 

Someone on espn posted the final word on this: Eck's postseason ERA vs Price's.

[bowman]

Agree, Price needs to man up. If it was the other way around, I think Eck would have had the nuts to talk to David on the side and settle it. Funny, nothing being said by Farrell.

[Spudboy]

This situation really smells.

 

What a bunch of immature babies. If this s*** had happened on a Bill Bellichec (sp ) some players would be gone regardless of their contract status.

 

The Sox clubhouse sounds like a romper room.

[jacksonianmarch]

Price is a coddled, thin skinned bully who went after a HOFer who legitimately criticized the play of the sox. I am so glad that overpaid stiff isn't in NY

[S5Dewey]

Price is a coddled, thin skinned bully who went after a HOFer who legitimately criticized the play of the sox. I am so glad that overpaid stiff isn't in NY

 

I agree with this post. That is, everything except the last sentence.

[a700hitter]

I agree with this post. That is, everything except the last sentence.

Price may be a jerk, but I am happy to run him out to the mound every 5th day.

[Spudboy]

Price may be a jerk, but I am happy to run him out to the mound every 5th day.

 

Me too.

 

I don't like the contract or how he comports himself. But when healthy and on his game he is still elite.

 

People have a memory of convenience when it comes to his talent and career. He has been a top five in MLB pitcher for 7 years prior to signing with our team.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

Price has not met expectations since he signed with the Sox. He has been way too inconsistent to ever be counted on to be The Man and that was the plan when he was signed, And that is before we get to his post season history. Now we have this move along with the well know reports of a sour attitude. What a clown, Eck was simply doing his job and the comments were on point. I'm not ready to say get him out but he sure is on my S List. Edited July 25, 2017 by Yaz Fan Since '67

[cp176]

According to Shaughnessy, and the article on this incident seems to be one of his better efforts, there has been disgruntlement about Eck in the Red Sox clubhouse for several years. Let's also not overlook the report of Sox players applauding Price on the plane.

 

I'm mainly just pointing out that this isn't all about Price acting like a lone nut. He may have been doing this with a lot of support.

 

There is something about this story that bugs me. What we know is that Price runs his mouth. I'm not sure that that bothers me all that much. When Shaughnessy alludes to others applauding Price for defending teammates (I guess) is he talking about one, two, or 10 other guys. I love Eck but hey I like Johnny Miller as well. I'm not uncomfortable at all with their outspoken comments. They entertain me but I'm not the one being talked about. I'm not sure that this story is even news worthy. We aren't talking Watergate here. If the point is that this team lacks leadership, maybe it isn't telling an accurate story. If the team in general is behind Price (which I have no way of ever knowing), we might not like his style but maybe he is their leader. I would think that if you are asked to accurately and honestly comment on team or individual play and the team or individual plays poorly, you would not be expected to lie about it. Having these guys travel together doesn't make any sense to me. I would also think that if I was the teammate being criticized, regardless of how poorly I had played, I would probably still appreciate my teammate's support - right or wrong. Ultimately I guess I think it would have been nice if Farrell had done or said something. Maybe he did, I don't know.

[Bellhorn04]

There is something about this story that bugs me. What we know is that Price runs his mouth. I'm not sure that that bothers me all that much. When Shaughnessy alludes to others applauding Price for defending teammates (I guess) is he talking about one, two, or 10 other guys. I love Eck but hey I like Johnny Miller as well. I'm not uncomfortable at all with their outspoken comments. They entertain me but I'm not the one being talked about. I'm not sure that this story is even news worthy. We aren't talking Watergate here. If the point is that this team lacks leadership, maybe it isn't telling an accurate story. If the team in general is behind Price (which I have no way of ever knowing), we might not like his style but maybe he is their leader. I would think that if you are asked to accurately and honestly comment on team or individual play and the team or individual plays poorly, you would not be expected to lie about it. Having these guys travel together doesn't make any sense to me. I would also think that if I was the teammate being criticized, regardless of how poorly I had played, I would probably still appreciate my teammate's support - right or wrong. Ultimately I guess I think it would have been nice if Farrell had done or said something. Maybe he did, I don't know.

 

I agree it doesn't make much sense for Eck to be on the same plane with these guys.

[SoxnCycles]

I agree it doesn't make much sense for Eck to be on the same plane with these guys.

 

Are they going to charter a separate plane for the TV and radio guys?

That doesn't make much sense to me.

Eck usually isn't on the travel plane because he rarely does away games to begin with.

 

If some of the Red Sox players are applauding Price for ambushing Eck, because he was doing his job, then I've got real concerns about how the clubhouse is being led.

The team is missing Ortiz in more ways than on the field.

It's a shame Pedroia doesn't seem to have what it takes to be a team leader.

 

I really hope Price has a great year.

Then, he opts out.

[Bellhorn04]

Are they going to charter a separate plane for the TV and radio guys?

That doesn't make much sense to me.

Eck usually isn't on the travel plane because he rarely does away games to begin with.

 

If some of the Red Sox players are applauding Price for ambushing Eck, because he was doing his job, then I've got real concerns about how the clubhouse is being led.

The team is missing Ortiz in more ways than on the field.

It's a shame Pedroia doesn't seem to have what it takes to be a team leader.

 

I really hope Price has a great year.

Then, he opts out.

 

Agree with those comments. Just for clarification, Price's opt-out comes after the 2018 season.