2017 Rotation Discussion

[devildavid]

Pomerantz gets a passing grade from me for last nights game. However, his pitch got got too high too fast. I wanted to see him at least get into the 6th inning. A good outing, but there is a bit of room for improvement. Pom is still on a pretty good roll.

 

For the most part I like what I saw from the bullpen. Really loved how Kelly and Kimbrel handled Judge. Great stuff!

[Spudboy]

Irregardless, let's move on.

 

lol

[Bellhorn04]

Pomerantz gets a passing grade from me for last nights game. However, his pitch got got too high too fast. I wanted to see him at least get into the 6th inning. A good outing, but there is a bit of room for improvement. Pom is still on a pretty good roll.

 

Pomeranz's pitch count and final line weren't great, but you have to keep in mind the Yankees are averaging close to 6 runs a game at home.

[Kimmi]

Pomerantz gets a passing grade from me for last nights game. However, his pitch got got too high too fast. I wanted to see him at least get into the 6th inning. A good outing, but there is a bit of room for improvement. Pom is still on a pretty good roll.

 

For the most part I like what I saw from the bullpen. Really loved how Kelly and Kimbrel handled Judge. Great stuff!

 

Agree on all counts. Of course we'd like to see Pom be more efficient with his pitches, but I'll take giving up only one run in 5 innings against a very potent offense. It was good enough for the win.

[moonslav59]

We're 7-4 in Pom's starts. It's hard to complain about that. I saw Pom as our 6th starter to start the year, but many felt he was our 4 or 5 starter.

 

A look at his longevity issue:

 

Pom has failed to reach these IP...

 

2017 (11 starts)

7.1: 11

6.1: 10

5.1: 5

4.2: 4

 

2016 (10 starts) with the Sox (Team went 5-5)

7.1: 9

6.1: 8

5.1: 5

4.2: 3

 

Totals with Sox in 21 starts. Pom has failed to reach 7.1 innings in 20 out of 21 Sox starts.

 

He's failed to reach 6.1 IP in 18 of 21 starts.

 

5.1 IP in 10 of 21 starts.

 

4.2 IP in one-third of his starts (7 of 21).

 

[Jack Flap]

For me, Pomeranz is well on his way to becoming the new Buchholz: a guy who's capable of being crazy good when he's on, but who is a perpetual source of frustration because for one reason or another he can't ever seem to maintain that level for very long.

 

Almost a year into his Red Sox career, he looks like what his stat line says he is: a 4+ ERA pitcher who will show occasional flashes of excellence but can't really be counted on for more than 5 innings. Yes, even if that's all he is, he might be a perfectly adequate back-end starter, but should we be satisfied with that?

[bosoxmal]

Huge game coming Fri. vs Detroit. Rick P. will be 3-8 after this game, and has pitched like it. Meanwhile Brian Johnson pitched the best game of the year (almost be anyone). Was it a fluke? Is this fellow ready to take a regular spot? THIS GAME FRIDAY MAY BE THE MOST TELLING GAME OF THE YEAR! gO, bRIAN, go!

[moonslav59]

...he might be a perfectly adequate back-end starter, but should we be satisfied with that?

 

As a 5th starter, yes, but we need out top 4 to be healthy and strong, which means ERod needs to get over the knee issues, and Porcello needs to get out of this funk.

[OH FOY]

Crazy as this sounds, I'm not giving up on Hector Velazquez yet.

[cp176]

For me, Pomeranz is well on his way to becoming the new Buchholz: a guy who's capable of being crazy good when he's on, but who is a perpetual source of frustration because for one reason or another he can't ever seem to maintain that level for very long.

 

Almost a year into his Red Sox career, he looks like what his stat line says he is: a 4+ ERA pitcher who will show occasional flashes of excellence but can't really be counted on for more than 5 innings. Yes, even if that's all he is, he might be a perfectly adequate back-end starter, but should we be satisfied with that?

 

Maybe i might agree with you someday if Pomeranz becomes a part time pitcher. His 5 or 6 good innings when he goes out there is starting to look better and better when you factor in Porcello's work lately.

[Bellhorn04]

For me, Pomeranz is well on his way to becoming the new Buchholz: a guy who's capable of being crazy good when he's on, but who is a perpetual source of frustration because for one reason or another he can't ever seem to maintain that level for very long.

 

Almost a year into his Red Sox career, he looks like what his stat line says he is: a 4+ ERA pitcher who will show occasional flashes of excellence but can't really be counted on for more than 5 innings. Yes, even if that's all he is, he might be a perfectly adequate back-end starter, but should we be satisfied with that?

 

I do see some positive trending though, thanks to some B-R cherry-picking.

 

What I really like is that in his last 3 starts, over 18 innings, he has 26 K's and only 3 BB's.

[Jack Flap]

I do see some positive trending though, thanks to some B-R cherry-picking.

 

What I really like is that in his last 3 starts, over 18 innings, he has 26 K's and only 3 BB's.

 

His recent results (Wednesday night's 5 innings and 120-whatever pitches notwithstanding) definitely look a lot better...hope that continues.

[Bellhorn04]

His recent results (Wednesday night's 5 innings and 120-whatever pitches notwithstanding) definitely look a lot better...hope that continues.

 

Even Tuesday's results are not horrible in the context of facing one of the best offenses.

[devildavid]

I'm disappointed with Porcello's performance against the Yankees, even if the outcome was inevitable with the way C.C. was pitching. The worst moment was when he shook off Leon 3 times then gave up the HR to Carter. Rick is really putting up some of the worst numbers of his career so far this season. He needs to watch film of himself from last season to figure out what he did right and try to approximate it.

[moonslav59]

I'm disappointed with Porcello's performance against the Yankees, even if the outcome was inevitable with the way C.C. was pitching. The worst moment was when he shook off Leon 3 times then gave up the HR to Carter. Rick is really putting up some of the worst numbers of his career so far this season. He needs to watch film of himself from last season to figure out what he did right and try to approximate it.

 

I'm pretty sure somebody in the organization has been scouring films to look for something to tweak.

 

I can't figure out what's up with Porcello, but it has become very concerning.

 

We will need two from Price, Porcello and ERod to do very well this season and into the playoffs.

 

[devildavid]

I'm pretty sure somebody in the organization has been scouring films to look for something to tweak.

 

I can't figure out what's up with Porcello, but it has become very concerning.

 

We will need two from Price, Porcello and ERod to do very well this season and into the playoffs.

 

 

I'm starting to think getting two of them to do very well is a long shot. ERod has problems with his knees that may never go away. Porcello is not looking good at all. Price is my only hope to regain a semblance of his old form. I hope my pessimism is wrong.

[moonslav59]

I'm starting to think getting two of them to do very well is a long shot. ERod has problems with his knees that may never go away. Porcello is not looking good at all. Price is my only hope to regain a semblance of his old form. I hope my pessimism is wrong.

 

As Frank Zappa would say, "I figure the odds be 50-50."

[oldtimer]

I'm pretty sure somebody in the organization has been scouring films to look for something to tweak.

 

I can't figure out what's up with Porcello, but it has become very concerning.

 

We will need two from Price, Porcello and ERod to do very well this season and into the playoffs.

 

 

I'm not as down on Porcello as you both seem to be. He showed good stuff and lasted fairly late. Yes, he went up in the zone and got him and that is command. Next time out he may pitch a gem.

[moonslav59]

I'm not as down on Porcello as you both seem to be. He showed good stuff and lasted fairly late. Yes, he went up in the zone and got him and that is command. Next time out he may pitch a gem.

 

I'm "concerned" not really "down" on Porcello.

 

I think he will turn things around- probably not to 2016 levels, but at least to a decent #2 starter level.

[Station 13]

Porcello was also really good in the 2nd half of 2015. I wouldn't worried unless he starts to walk and shows nothing. Right now it's inconsistent command. He wasn't great in early 2016 either. The shrunken strike zone affects his inside pitches. He is not getting those close calls as often. It also a case they never score when Porcello pitches. Every time he has to be under pressure for no less than perfection. Edited June 8, 2017 by Station 13

[Kimmi]

For me, Pomeranz is well on his way to becoming the new Buchholz: a guy who's capable of being crazy good when he's on, but who is a perpetual source of frustration because for one reason or another he can't ever seem to maintain that level for very long.

 

Almost a year into his Red Sox career, he looks like what his stat line says he is: a 4+ ERA pitcher who will show occasional flashes of excellence but can't really be counted on for more than 5 innings. Yes, even if that's all he is, he might be a perfectly adequate back-end starter, but should we be satisfied with that?

 

In terms of production, if the other guys in the rotation pitch like they should pitch, then I'm good with Pom giving us 5-6 innings per start and keeping us in the game. We were all hoping he'd be more than that, but for a #5 pitcher, I can't complain.

 

However, in terms of what we gave up for him, it's hard to be satisfied.

[Kimmi]

I'm not as down on Porcello as you both seem to be. He showed good stuff and lasted fairly late. Yes, he went up in the zone and got him and that is command. Next time out he may pitch a gem.

 

I am not that down on Porcello either. He still has a good K/W ratio and he's been somewhat unlucky. I think he'll be okay.

[dgalehouse]

Opponents are batting over .300 against Porcello so far this season.

[devildavid]

Three innings in and it is obvious that Price is not ready for prime time. Looks like a loss in the making.

[devildavid]

If Price wants to get at reporters, the best way is to perform on the field. Yelling at them won't change a thing.

[moonslav59]

If Price wants to get at reporters, the best way is to perform on the field. Yelling at them won't change a thing.

 

I agree, but some of these reporters can be pretty obnoxious and relentless.

 

When frustrated, it's easy to see why a person might snap.

[Maxbialystock]

I agree, but some of these reporters can be pretty obnoxious and relentless.

 

When frustrated, it's easy to see why a person might snap.

 

Completely agree the reporters are obnoxious and relentless. My interpretation of Price's reaction, however, is that it shows he can't think or evaluate himself. Last night he went out there and threw mostly fastballs which the Yankees loved, and he got clobbered. He apparently thinks--and I use that term advisedly--he doesn't need to mix his pitches. Indeed, I would almost argue that the worst thing that could have happened as a result of his time on the DL is getting his fastball back up to 95-96 mph. Now he wants to be Nuke Laloosh, but without a good catcher to guide him.

[devildavid]

I agree, but some of these reporters can be pretty obnoxious and relentless.

 

When frustrated, it's easy to see why a person might snap.

 

From what I heard on TV, he snapped at the wrong reporters for the wrong reasons. I think the accumulation of criticism since he arrived in Boston has gotten to him. Ted Williams was over sensitive in this way as well, but he could show them all with his hitting. Price needs to focus on his game and not let the media be a distraction.

[Emp9]

From what I heard on TV, he snapped at the wrong reporters for the wrong reasons. I think the accumulation of criticism since he arrived in Boston has gotten to him. Ted Williams was over sensitive in this way as well, but he could show them all with his hitting. Price needs to focus on his game and not let the media be a distraction.

 

Agreed. The best way to shut the media up is to play well.

[moonslav59]

Agreed. The best way to shut the media up is to play well.

 

Yes, or get someone to distract them by doing something even more outlandish.