9/2 Boston Red Sox @ Oakland A Money Ballers

a700hitter · September 2, 2016

Time: 10:05 P.M. EST

Venue: Oakland Coliseum

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[TD=bgcolor: #1F3354, colspan: 3]PROBABLE STARTERS[/TD]

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D. Price[/TD]

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[TD=align: center]BOSTON[/TD]

[TD=align: center]LAST 3 STARTS[/TD]

[TD=align: center]OAKLAND[/TD]

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[TD=align: center]3-0[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Wins-Losses[/TD]

[TD=align: center]1-0[/TD]

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[TD=bgcolor: #EBEBEB, align: center]20.0[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #EBEBEB, align: center]Innings Pitched[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #EBEBEB, align: center]17.2[/TD]

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[TD=align: center]1.35[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Earned Run Average[/TD]

[TD=align: center]2.04[/TD]

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[TD=bgcolor: #EBEBEB, align: center]4[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #EBEBEB, align: center]Walks[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #EBEBEB, align: center]1[/TD]

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[TD=align: center]19[/TD]

[TD=align: center]Strikeouts[/TD]

[TD=align: center]16[/TD]

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[TD=bgcolor: #EBEBEB, align: center]0.75[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #EBEBEB, align: center]WHIP[/TD]

[TD=bgcolor: #EBEBEB, align: center]0.57[/TD]

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A. Triggs[/TD]

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[TD=colspan: 3, align: center]Probable Pitchers[/TD]

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Here is an idea for the knucklehead manager. There is no one on this suckass Money Baller team of bums who warrants an over shift on Defense. Just let Price do his job getting the outs without your meddling. Over shifts should never be employed for hitters batting below .250 without power. They get themselves out. Earth to Farrell. Get some caffeine before the game and get your 2 neurons working and engaged in the game.

Youk Of The Nation · September 2, 2016

I can't delete the first GT and I can't close yesterday's. I'm getting some sort of weird error message when I try to use the Mod Control Panel.

Spudboy · September 2, 2016

Time: 10:05 P.M. EST
Venue: Oakland Coliseum
[TABLE=class: data, width: 684]
[TR=class: title]
[TD=bgcolor: #1F3354, colspan: 3]PROBABLE STARTERS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR=class: row1]
[TD=align: center]http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/baseball/mlb/players/60x80/1232130.jpg
D. Price[/TD]
[TD=width: 50%][TABLE=width: 336]
[TR=class: label]
[TD=align: center]BOSTON[/TD]
[TD=align: center]LAST 3 STARTS[/TD]
[TD=align: center]OAKLAND[/TD]
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[TR=class: row1]
[TD=align: center]3-0[/TD]
[TD=align: center]Wins-Losses[/TD]
[TD=align: center]1-0[/TD]
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[TR=class: row2]
[TD=bgcolor: #EBEBEB, align: center]20.0[/TD]
[TD=bgcolor: #EBEBEB, align: center]Innings Pitched[/TD]
[TD=bgcolor: #EBEBEB, align: center]17.2[/TD]
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[TR=class: row1]
[TD=align: center]1.35[/TD]
[TD=align: center]Earned Run Average[/TD]
[TD=align: center]2.04[/TD]
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[TR=class: row2]
[TD=bgcolor: #EBEBEB, align: center]4[/TD]
[TD=bgcolor: #EBEBEB, align: center]Walks[/TD]
[TD=bgcolor: #EBEBEB, align: center]1[/TD]
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[TR=class: row1]
[TD=align: center]19[/TD]
[TD=align: center]Strikeouts[/TD]
[TD=align: center]16[/TD]
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[TR=class: row2]
[TD=bgcolor: #EBEBEB, align: center]0.75[/TD]
[TD=bgcolor: #EBEBEB, align: center]WHIP[/TD]
[TD=bgcolor: #EBEBEB, align: center]0.57[/TD]
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A. Triggs[/TD]
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[TD=colspan: 3, align: center]Probable Pitchers[/TD]
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Here is an idea for the knucklehead manager. There is no one on this suckass Money Baller team of bums who warrants an over shift on Defense. Just let Price do his job getting the outs without your meddling. Over shifts should never be employed for hitters batting below .250 without power. They get themselves out. Earth to Farrell. Get some caffeine before the game and get your 2 neurons working and engaged in the game.

Boy I hope he does not drink coffee to get the caffeine. If he does, he may drown his two neurons.

GO SOX!!!!1!!1

a700hitter · September 2, 2016

I can't delete the first GT and I can't close yesterday's. I'm getting some sort of weird error message when I try to use the Mod Control Panel.

Have we been hacked again!!

Thunder · September 2, 2016

Moneyball x Football here last night + A's sucking = Win. Dance. Repeat. x2

Hugh2 · September 2, 2016

Shifts are determined by where the guy hits the ball not his average. A lot of those averages are lower than they would have been because teams shift on them.

I mean, why would you not want to shift against some of these guys?

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/player?player_id=475174&player_type=batter#

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/player?player_id=501981&player_type=batter#

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/player?player_id=502143&player_type=batter#

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/player?player_id=519390&player_type=batter#

Hugh2 · September 2, 2016

If anything it makes more sense to shift against crappy hitters.....good hitters are better at using the whole field.

a700hitter · September 2, 2016

Shifts are determined by where the guy hits the ball not his average. A lot of those averages are lower than they would have been because teams shift on them.

I mean, why would you not want to shift against some of these guys?

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/player?player_id=475174&player_type=batter#

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/player?player_id=501981&player_type=batter#

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/player?player_id=502143&player_type=batter#

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/player?player_id=519390&player_type=batter#

I think over shifts are greatly over used, and if i jelly legged a .240 hitting left handed batter who poked a weak grounder or popup to an abandoned left side of the infield, I would kick the manager in the ass.

a700hitter · September 2, 2016

If anything it makes more sense to shift against crappy hitters.....good hitters are better at using the whole field.

And bad hitters are more likely to have trouble handling the ball on the outside third of the plate, inducing weak groundballs and pop ups. Why would I force my pitcher to pitch to the strength of weak hitters by trying to induce them into pulling the ball?

Hugh2 · September 2, 2016

I think over shifts are greatly over used, and if i jelly legged a .240 hitting left handed batter who poked a weak grounder or popup to an abandoned left side of the infield, I would kick the manager in the ass.

I would agree that teams can get shift happy, but shifting often is optimal. It's a basic math equation, you play where the guy hits the ball more often and get more outs for every hit you give up.

I don't think your narrative that low average batters shouldn't be shifted against. If you take strike outs out of the equation a .240 hitter puts the ball in play exactly as often as a .340 hitter per at bat. If anything it makes more sense to shift against them because a worse hitter is less likely to be able to use the whole field.

If you DON'T shift a .240 hitter that is pull happy then he'd probably become a .260 or a .270 hitter if he played all his games against your team.

a700hitter · September 2, 2016

I would agree that teams can get shift happy, but shifting often is optimal. It's a basic math equation, you play where the guy hits the ball more often and get more outs for every hit you give up.

I don't think your narrative that low average batters shouldn't be shifted against. If you take strike outs out of the equation a .240 hitter puts the ball in play exactly as often as a .340 hitter per at bat. If anything it makes more sense to shift against them because a worse hitter is less likely to be able to use the whole field.

If you DON'T shift a .240 hitter that is pull happy then he'd probably become a .260 or a .270 hitter if he played all his games against your team.

It is completely unnecessary on weak hitters. They generally don't hit the ball hard, and the over shift makes the pitcher less likely to pitch to the hitter's weakness on the outside of the plate.

Hugh2 · September 2, 2016

And bad hitters are more likely to have trouble handling the ball on the outside third of the plate, inducing weak groundballs and pop ups. Why would I force my pitcher to pitch to the strength of weak hitters by trying to induce them into pulling the ball?

If this argument is valid, then you are just 100% against shifts in general because why would you force a pitcher to pitch the strength of a good hitter? Most hitters who pull the ball tend to be good at pulling the ball...that's why you shift against them. You can still pitch that guy to get him out, but pitchers are going to come inside at times and they are also going to miss....MLB players will wait for there pitch and hit it that's why pull hitters are pull hitters.

You can be a .240 pull hitter or a .280 pull hitter or a .330 pull hitter. If you are a pull hitter you will get that guy out more often if you shift against him.

70% of the time...it works all the time.

a700hitter · September 2, 2016

If this argument is valid, then you are just 100% against shifts in general because why would you force a pitcher to pitch the strength of a good hitter? Most hitters who pull the ball tend to be good at pulling the ball...that's why you shift against them. You can still pitch that guy to get him out, but pitchers are going to come inside at times and they are also going to miss....MLB players will wait for there pitch and hit it that's why pull hitters are pull hitters.

You can be a .240 pull hitter or a .280 pull hitter or a .330 pull hitter. If you are a pull hitter you will get that guy out more often if you shift against him.

70% of the time...it works all the time.

Good hitters are better at laying off the bad pitch on the outside of the plate than bad hitters. And I do only believe in using over shifts against he very best hitters, because they are the ones that will make you pitch to their strength.

Hugh2 · September 2, 2016

Good hitters are better at laying off the bad pitch on the outside of the plate than bad hitters. And I do only believe in using over shifts against he very best hitters, because they are the ones that will make you pitch to their strength.

No offense but that is complete ********. It's a nice little narrative but your argument has zero merit. Fortunately we live in 2016 and we actually track every single pitch, every single out, every hit etc etc, and we track exactly where it lands. If a player hits the ball 75% of the time to the right side, what his slash line is or how good of a hitter he is has zero meaning. If you plug another defender where he hits the ball, you will get him out more often than you would otherwise.

Not saying shifts should be used 100% of the time, but when the spray chart is extreme enough to warrant it then the shift should be employed regardless of a players batting average.

have fun watching the game from your arm chairs everyone. Go Sox!!!

Wade Boggs · September 2, 2016

Lineup...

Pedroia 2B

Bogaerts SS

Ortiz DH

Betts RF

Ramirez 1B

Shaw 3B

Holt LF

Leon C

Bradley CF

a700hitter · September 2, 2016

No offense but that is complete ********. It's a nice little narrative but your argument has zero merit. Fortunately we live in 2016 and we actually track every single pitch, every single out, every hit etc etc, and we track exactly where it lands. If a player hits the ball 75% of the time to the right side, what his slash line is or how good of a hitter he is has zero meaning. If you plug another defender where he hits the ball, you will get him out more often than you would otherwise.

Not saying shifts should be used 100% of the time, but when the spray chart is extreme enough to warrant it then the shift should be employed regardless of a players batting average.

have fun watching the game from your arm chairs everyone. Go Sox!!!

I would rather my pitcher not pitch to the hitters strength and if he beats him on the outside of the plate I want to reward my pitcher by having a fielder on the left side to get him the out. If the pitcher does the job and gets a weakly hit pulled ball, you probably don't need the extra fielder anyway. I am not against shifting all the time. I would just do it on the top batters, not on every one in the lineup.

d-money · September 2, 2016

Really need a good road trip here. Each game's big.

d-money · September 2, 2016

Right now the blue jays are rolling. Already up 2-0 against the lousy rays. Sox have to keep pace.

NativeBostonian · September 2, 2016

Just win!

NativeBostonian · September 2, 2016

Right now the blue jays are rolling. Already up 2-0 against the lousy rays. Sox have to keep pace.

I find it disturbing that everybody else in the division clobbers the Rays but the Red Sox.

Kimmi · September 2, 2016

I would rather my pitcher not pitch to the hitters strength and if he beats him on the outside of the plate I want to reward my pitcher by having a fielder on the left side to get him the out. If the pitcher does the job and gets a weakly hit pulled ball, you probably don't need the extra fielder anyway. I am not against shifting all the time. I would just do it on the top batters, not on every one in the lineup.

I am not a fan of all of the extreme shifting, but until the batters learn how to adequately adjust to it, it works. Of course there are times when a team is going to get burned by shifting, but the percentage play is to use the shift, even against the weaker hitters. Otherwise, they wouldn't do it.

Kimmi · September 2, 2016

Need to start this road trip off on the right foot.

Go Sox!

Thunder · September 3, 2016

Just win baby win!

When you're in Al Davis' house, you say it right.

Bellhorn04 · September 3, 2016

I find it disturbing that everybody else in the division clobbers the Rays but the Red Sox.

That calls for a fact check! Rays vs.

Toronto 7-6

NYY 6-6

Sox 7-9

Balt 3-9

bosoxmal · September 3, 2016

Right now the blue jays are rolling. Already up 2-0 against the lousy rays. Sox have to keep pace.

The Rays were just under .500 for the month of August.

Wade Boggs · September 3, 2016

I'm not sure this belongs in the game thread but worth bringing up.. Steven Wright is more than likely to miss his next start. His shoulder still aching. So good chance he will be skipped. But that's not a definite.(24-48 hrs) they will have some type of answer.

John Farrell said WEEI reported.

bosoxmal · September 3, 2016

Lineups announced. Shaw goes to 3rd, and 20,000 Sox fans go to bed!

Raye now leading 4-2

Edited September 3, 2016 by bosoxmal

Kimmi · September 3, 2016

Lineups announced. Shaw goes to 3rd, and 20,000 Sox fans go to bed!

Shaw sure has fallen out of favor with some fans. At the beginning of the season, he was the best thing since sliced bread.

#BringbackPablo

bosoxmal · September 3, 2016

Rays now lead 8-2. Bottom of the 7th

d-money · September 3, 2016

Gotta win. Blue Jays will likely lose

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