8/15 new city, new Dbags

[Wade Boggs]

I can't take this anymore.. I'm getting chest pains.

[Jasonbay44]

Kimbrel never makes it easy, holy s***. But ill take it.

[Navafan29]

no big deal

[gojohn99]

whew a win!

[Slasher9]

whew. WWWW

[a700hitter]

A win in spit of JF!!

 

A good win to start the road trip!!

 

Cue Dirty Water in Boston!

[d-money]

Phewwwww!!!!! Go sox!!!!!!!!

[d-money]

I hope nobody has high blood pressure with this BP that we have lol.

[Station 13]

Kimbrel is a dbag.

[Maxbialystock]

Great win against a hot Guardians team (4 in a row coming in) that is especially good at home. On top of which the Sox played yesterday in Boston and go on the road again today.

 

DEspite the nattering nabobs of negativism, Farrell made some good calls. True, Pomeranz gave up that run in 8th, but he also had two outs when that happened--so why not go for another? Bringing in Abad was clearly the right move which will only give Abad some confidence down the road, plus it enabled Kimbrel to go against the heart of the Guardians order.

 

Not pinch-hitting for Holoday also made sense because he was calling a good game and in this one clearly pitching was key. As it was, Benintendi and Pedroia still had chances to increase the lead but could not. Plus Leon could use the day off given this tough schedule.

 

While the 9th was a little tense, it now makes sense. The leadoff double was just a good hit, and walking Napoli was just being careful against the Guardians cleanup guy. Then Kimbrel got two quick K's before finally getting Almonte on a popup and after he had 3-1 count on him.

 

If you were an Guardians fan you had to wonder why Francona brings in a reliever with 2 outs and no one on in the 8th. Ortiz quickly singled. New pitcher in who walked Betts, which gave Bradley a shot with 2 men on, but he K'd.

 

Both starters went 7.2 innings and threw 104 pitches, but the Guardians pitcher gave up two dingers and 8 hits to Pomeranz's 5 hits.

[d-money]

This team needs a good road trip for once. Two games against the orioles coming up.

[TylerD]

Missed the game because of work! Looked like Pomeranz had a good game!

[a700hitter]

I just can't understand letting Holiday hit in the 9th with 2nd and 3rd and no one out and a 1 run lead. Other than our pitchers, Holiday is the weakest hitter on the roster. Leon a switch hitter who has been on fire was on the bench. Holt a lefty was on the bench. I haven't heard a good explanation to let Holiday bat. If Farrell left him in for his great game calling skill, I just have to shake my head. It is more likely that Farrell didn't pinch hit because he didn't want to get caught without a backup catcher on the bench, which also makes me shake my head. For those of you who love stats, in what percentage of games, do teams have to replace injured catchers in the final inning or 2? I have to believe that the occurrence is statistically insignificant, and that it would be worth the risk to replace him with a vastly superior offensive player.

 

Don't even get me started about why Ziegler wasn't up and ready to come in against the right handed bats in the 8th inning. Anyway, I hope the players keep bailing out the buffoon.

[cp176]

Missed the game because of work! Looked like Pomeranz had a good game!

 

he did have a good game!

[Maxbialystock]

I just can't understand letting Holiday hit in the 9th with 2nd and 3rd and no one out and a 1 run lead. Other than our pitchers, Holiday is the weakest hitter on the roster. Leon a switch hitter who has been on fire was on the bench. Holt a lefty was on the bench. I haven't heard a good explanation to let Holiday bat. If Farrell left him in for his great game calling skill, I just have to shake my head. It is more likely that Farrell didn't pinch hit because he didn't want to get caught without a backup catcher on the bench, which also makes me shake my head. For those of you who love stats, in what percentage of games, do teams have to replace injured catchers in the final inning or 2? I have to believe that the occurrence is statistically insignificant, and that it would be worth the risk to replace him with a vastly superior offensive player.

 

Don't even get me started about why Ziegler wasn't up and ready to come in against the right handed bats in the 8th inning. Anyway, I hope the players keep bailing out the buffoon.

 

You don't pinch hit for your catcher unless you are behind. Plus Holiday was doing a good job in a close game. Plus the runners were on 2d and 3D, which means two good hitters, Benintendi and Pedroia, would have a chance to drive them in. These are obvious points.

[a700hitter]

You don't pinch hit for your catcher unless you are behind. Plus Holiday was doing a good job in a close game. Plus the runners were on 2d and 3D, which means two good hitters, Benintendi and Pedroia, would have a chance to drive them in. These are obvious points.

Not to me. The opposite was obvious.

 

And why is it a truism that you don't pinch hit for your catcher unless you are behind?

[Wade Boggs]

You don't pinch hit for your catcher unless you are behind. Plus Holiday was doing a good job in a close game. Plus the runners were on 2d and 3D, which means two good hitters, Benintendi and Pedroia, would have a chance to drive them in. These are obvious points.

 

 

I would have pinched hit with Leon. Even with Beni and Pedey up after. My reason Leon is hitting close to 360. So I think he has a better chance of making contact. They had Holt as well. I agree Holiday was calling a great game. But Kimbrel was coming into the game. How many times has he caught Kimbrel. He's been here for what ten days. My overall point is I would take the chance of trying to exstend the lead by 2 or 3, instead of leaving holiday in there and Kimbrel with a one run lead. Even though Beni and Pedy didn't come through. What do I know , I would have had Shaw try to bunt at least on the first pitch, then send Leon up. It worked. They won. Just a thought?

[Maxbialystock]

I would have pinched hit with Leon. Even with Beni and Pedey up after. My reason Leon is hitting close to 360. So I think he has a better chance of making contact. They had Holt as well. I agree Holiday was calling a great game. But Kimbrel was coming into the game. How many times has he caught Kimbrel. He's been here for what ten days. My overall point is I would take the chance of trying to exstend the lead by 2 or 3, instead of leaving holiday in there and Kimbrel with a one run lead. Even though Beni and Pedy didn't come through. What do I know , I would have had Shaw try to bunt at least on the first pitch, then send Leon up. It worked. They won. Just a thought?

 

I might have been tempted to pinch hit for Holiday as well, but the smart move is not to spend your other catcher when you have a lead and don't have to. Plus Sandy is not only the full-time catcher but likely to catch 4 of 5 games--all the more reason to give him a full day off.

[Maxbialystock]

Not to me. The opposite was obvious.

 

And why is it a truism that you don't pinch hit for your catcher unless you are behind?

 

I'm not sure it's a truism as just common sense. Leave your starting catcher in when you are ahead. Leon is hitting up a storm, I agree, but not as a pinch hitter. Plus he could use a full day off.

[a700hitter]

I'm not sure it's a truism as just common sense. Leave your starting catcher in when you are ahead. Leon is hitting up a storm, I agree, but not as a pinch hitter. Plus he could use a full day off.

Leading by a run on the road with two men in scoring position and the 8th place hitter (who is also the worst hitter on the roster) at bat seems to be the time when common sense tilts in the other direction.

[Slasher9]

Leading by a run on the road with two men in scoring position and the 8th place hitter (who is also the worst hitter on the roster) at bat seems to be the time when common sense tilts in the other direction.

 

i wonder if the difference was that there was 0 outs at the time. maybe the Manager thought process is to PH for the catcher only if there is already 1 or 2 outs?

especially the way Beni and Pedey have been swinging the stick. i like my chances right now with those two.

[mvp 78]

Leading by a run on the road with two men in scoring position and the 8th place hitter (who is also the worst hitter on the roster) at bat seems to be the time when common sense tilts in the other direction.

 

Sorry bub, but your team won so you are not allowed to criticize the manager.

[Slasher9]

Sorry bub, but your team won so you are not allowed to criticize the manager.

 

or someone can have an opposing view and post their thoughts. kind of how a forum works, i think?

[Maxbialystock]

Sorry bub, but your team won so you are not allowed to criticize the manager.

 

That's only part of it. The other parts are that the Sox were ahead, you don't normally replace the catcher when ahead and he is calling a good game and threw out an attempted steal of 3b, and you have two sure at bats--after Holiday--by good hitters Benintendi and Pedroia. But the biggest part is that our critic wants us to believe that not pinch-hitting for Holiday was imbecilic. I could accept what others have said, "I would have pinch-hit with Leon," but the claim that Farrell's choice was dead wrong is indefensible. There were demonstrably several good reasons for Farrell's choice, only one of which was that it proved to be right.

[mvp 78]

or someone can have an opposing view and post their thoughts. kind of how a forum works, i think?

 

Opposing views are not allowed of forums. They must be shouted down with condescension.

[mvp 78]

That's only part of it. The other parts are that the Sox were ahead, you don't normally replace the catcher when ahead and he is calling a good game and threw out an attempted steal of 3b, and you have two sure at bats--after Holiday--by good hitters Benintendi and Pedroia. But the biggest part is that our critic wants us to believe that not pinch-hitting for Holiday was imbecilic. I could accept what others have said, "I would have pinch-hit with Leon," but the claim that Farrell's choice was dead wrong is indefensible. There were demonstrably several good reasons for Farrell's choice, only one of which was that it proved to be right.

 

If your problem is solely with word choice, I don't know what to tell you.

[Slasher9]

Opposing views are not allowed of forums. They must be shouted down with condescension.

 

lol.

waving my fist in the air cursing at you***

[mvp 78]

lol.

waving my fist in the air cursing at you***

 

You sonnavubitch...

 

*stares back, spits mouthful of chew on the ground

[SoxnCycles]

I blame Farrell for this win.

[greenwell]

Not to me. The opposite was obvious.

 

And why is it a truism that you don't pinch hit for your catcher unless you are behind?

 

I agree with you here, but it's something a lot of managers do that I don't understand. Like you said earlier, the chance of the catcher getting injured is insignificant and even on the rare case that he did Holt can actually catch if absolutely needed. I would bet there's a lot of players who could catch if they had to.