4 Former red sox International Prospects Sign Elsewhere

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

After getting busted for trying to circumvent international signing rules, 4 former red sox international prospects sign elsewhere.

 

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/188051522/ex-red-sox-international-prospects-moving-on/

[mvp 78]

Of course the Yankees would grab a player that would cheat the system like that.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Can someone explain to me in non-financially-technical language exactly what the Red Sox did wrong? I know little to nothing about the financial side of baseball so I'm curious as to how annoyed I should be with my favorite team in this instance.

[Slasher9]

Outfielder Albert Guaimaro has agreed to a deal with the Marlins, outfielder Simon Muzziott signed with the Phillies for $750,000, infielder Antonio Pinero signed with the Brewers for $375,000 and infielder Eduardo Torrealba signed with the Yankees for $300,000. Torrealba has already begun his first steroids cycle under the Yankees tutelage.

[Slasher9]

Can someone explain to me in non-financially-technical language exactly what the Red Sox did wrong? I know little to nothing about the financial side of baseball so I'm curious as to how annoyed I should be with my favorite team in this instance.

 

they overpaid the agents for suckier players. the agents gave the extra cash to the international players. thus circumventing the $300k max threshold....

[Jack Flap]

Can someone explain to me in non-financially-technical language exactly what the Red Sox did wrong? I know little to nothing about the financial side of baseball so I'm curious as to how annoyed I should be with my favorite team in this instance.

 

There's a lot of discussion of this in the main prospect thread starting around here:

http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/17481-2016-Prospects-Thread/page23

[mvp 78]

Can someone explain to me in non-financially-technical language exactly what the Red Sox did wrong? I know little to nothing about the financial side of baseball so I'm curious as to how annoyed I should be with my favorite team in this instance.

 

Per MLBTR: However, Boston circumvented that limitation by “packaging” more premium prospects with lesser prospects; that is, paying $300K for multiple prospects that employ the same trainers/agents and then allowing the players’ representatives to divide the lion’s share of the collective sums to the top prospect of the bunch, with the lesser prospects receiving a smaller portion of the money.

 

Basically, they cheated the system to overpay certain prospects.

 

Ex. if they could only pay $300K for a prospect, they gave $600K to two prospects and had their trainers split it $500K to one prospect and $100K to the other prospect.

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

Of course the Yankees would grab a player that would cheat the system like that.

 

Umm, it was the sawx that cheated, not the players.

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

Torrealba has already begun his first steroids cycle under the Yankees tutelage.

 

Nah, when he was originally signed by the sawx he immediately started on big papi's "milkshakes"

[Jack Flap]

I reserve my right to change my opinion on all of this and proclaim the whole affair an appalling miscarriage of justice, if not an outright anti-Boston conspiracy, if any of these kid actually turn out to be good.

[mvp 78]

Umm, it was the sawx that cheated, not the players.

 

The players have the same responsibility here. They are at fault just as much as the team.

 

TO THINK THE YANKEES WOULD PICK UP A SCOUNDREL THAT WOULD TRY TO BEND THE RULES LIKE THAT! ABSURD!

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

The players have the same responsibility here. They are at fault just as much as the team.

 

TO THINK THE YANKEES WOULD PICK UP A SCOUNDREL THAT WOULD TRY TO BEND THE RULES LIKE THAT! ABSURD!

 

Then how come the sawx were sanctioned and the players weren't?

[mvp 78]

Then how come the sawx were sanctioned and the players weren't?

 

But Ortiz was never sanctioned and you've called him a cheater?

[Jack Flap]

The players have the same responsibility here. They are at fault just as much as the team.

 

TO THINK THE YANKEES WOULD PICK UP A SCOUNDREL THAT WOULD TRY TO BEND THE RULES LIKE THAT! ABSURD!

 

I really doubt these 16-17 year old kids have as much responsibility as the team, agents, etc. in this.

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

But Ortiz was never sanctioned and you've called him a cheater?

 

Never called him a cheater.

 

And none of the players on the 03 list were sanctioned.

[mvp 78]

Never called him a cheater.

 

And none of the players on the 03 list were sanctioned.

 

So then you're saying he never did anything wrong?

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

So then you're saying he never did anything wrong?

 

I don't think PEDs were against the rules in 03

[mvp 78]

I don't think PEDs were against the rules in 03

 

So he never did anything wrong and isn't a cheater?

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

So he never did anything wrong and isn't a cheater?

 

That's not what I said.

[Palodios]

Can someone explain to me why the players get to keep the money? f***ing seriously. Have the MLBPA donate it to charity or something, these players are f***ing with the system, and now they get to keep their signing bonuses, and get additional money on top of it? How does that make any f***ing sense?

[Youk Of The Nation]

Can someone explain to me why the players get to keep the money? f***ing seriously. Have the MLBPA donate it to charity or something, these players are f***ing with the system, and now they get to keep their signing bonuses, and get additional money on top of it? How does that make any f***ing sense?

 

You go to a kid who grew up in Cuba or the slums of the Dominican Republic and try to take money back from him. I'm sure as hell not volunteering for that job.

[User Name]

These kids usually don't even know of the dealings the agents/buscones are doing on their behalf, and I can't for the life of me fathom why any of you would think otherwise. Most of these kids can barely write/read at a third grade level, and they're going to take part in complicated negotiations like these?

[Slasher9]

wow. alot of assumptions being made in this thread about the living conditions and education of Latino players.

i guess if the players were international signings from France the assumption would be they live in castles and be university educated.

[Hugh2]

soxprospects has come out with a new podcast where they talk about the situation.

 

http://news.soxprospects.com/2016/07/podcast-ep-101-trade-and-penalties-fill.html

[Jack Flap]

I can't pretend to know anything about the background of these particular individuals, but even if they came from wealthy, affluent families, I wouldn't really expect them to understand the ins and outs of MLB's international amateur system. I imagine they were being misled/manipulated here as well, and I can't say I'm sad that some of them might get to pocket a few extra $ from the whole affair. The Red Sox certainly won't miss it.

[TheBabeStrikesBack]

wow. alot of assumptions being made in this thread about the living conditions and education of Latino players.

i guess if the players were international signings from France the assumption would be they live in castles and be university educated.

 

"A lot of assumptions "????

 

Two posters commented on it.

 

But that never stops you from playing the race card.

[User Name]

wow. alot of assumptions being made in this thread about the living conditions and education of Latino players.

i guess if the players were international signings from France the assumption would be they live in castles and be university educated.

 

The assumptions are usually correct. Have you seen the state of these "baseball academies" firsthand? I have. They are shitholes.

[User Name]

I can't pretend to know anything about the background of these particular individuals, but even if they came from wealthy, affluent families, I wouldn't really expect them to understand the ins and outs of MLB's international amateur system. I imagine they were being misled/manipulated here as well, and I can't say I'm sad that some of them might get to pocket a few extra $ from the whole affair. The Red Sox certainly won't miss it.

 

They don't come from affluent families. There are exceptions (usually they move to the US though). But the idea that most of these kids come from slums and horrible living conditions is spot on. In general, that's why they play baseball instead of going to school: So they can find a way out of poverty.

[Bellhorn04]

That's not what I said.

 

So what exactly did you say? Stop being a weasel about it.

[Kimmi]

So what exactly did you say? Stop being a weasel about it.

 

Cagey?