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[mvp 78]

vs. LHP

 

Young .250/.368/.500/.868 (4-16) 4K

Holt .300/.462/.300/.762 (3-10) 3K

Shaw .083/.120/.125/.245 (2-24) 8K

 

2 of the 3 are going to play when a lefty starts, unless Rutledge worms his way into more PT

 

Holt can play 3b, no?

[a700hitter]

He's paid to hit all of them.

Agreed, but anyone can hit the trash bags, even the left handed hitters. We don't remove guys from the lineup against LH starters in favor of him for him to be useless.

[a700hitter]

Strictly for clarification purposes:

 

The stat 'vs LH starters' actually represents all numbers for games that were started by lefties, not all numbers vs. lefty starters. So it also includes numbers vs. righty relievers in those games.

I don't know if that is true, but if his splits against LH starters include numbers against RH relievers then that is a stupid pointless stat.

[mvp 78]

I don't know if that is true, but if his splits against LH starters include numbers against RH relievers then that is a stupid pointless stat.

 

WHAT???? Are you saying that some stats might be worthless?!? That's crazy talk... All stats are wonderful and great and are perfect in every way, especially Wins, Losses and RsBI which are the greatest of all stats.

[a700hitter]

WHAT???? Are you saying that some stats might be worthless?!? That's crazy talk... All stats are wonderful and great and are perfect in every way, especially Wins, Losses and RsBI which are the greatest of all stats.

They all have some use, but I just don't understand a LH split that includes stats against RH relievers. How could that help anyone in analyzing a player?

[Bellhorn04]

I don't know if that is true, but if his splits against LH starters include numbers against RH relievers then that is a stupid pointless stat.

 

I guarantee it's true, and I respectfully disagree that it's useless. It tries to account for the fact that platoon players often stay in for the entire game, simply because you don't have an unlimited bench.

[a700hitter]

I guarantee it's true, and I respectfully disagree that it's useless. It tries to account for the fact that platoon players often stay in for the entire game, simply because you don't have an unlimited bench.

To me that stat is useless for comparative purposes, because you can't make an apples to apples comparison among players.

[mvp 78]

I guarantee it's true, and I respectfully disagree that it's useless. It tries to account for the fact that platoon players often stay in for the entire game, simply because you don't have an unlimited bench.

This still frustrates LaRussa to no end. Oh, the joys of endlessly subbing in and out. Why can't the manager's powers be unlimited?

 

Maybe they could allow a player to be taken out and put back in once per game? That could be interesting. You could get a pinch runner for Ortiz in the 8th and not worry about the pinch runner needing to hit in extra innings?

[Slasher9]

young 2016:

v RHP: 17 pa / 2h / 0 bb / 8k / 1rbi / .118 ba / .294 ops

v LHP: 19 pa / 4h / 3 bb / 4k / 0rbi / .250 ba / .868 ops

 

all 4 of his hits v LHP have been doubles. hence the high ops.

[a700hitter]

young 2016:

v RHP: 17 pa / 2h / 0 bb / 8k / 1rbi / .118 ba / .294 ops

v LHP: 19 pa / 4h / 3 bb / 4k / 0rbi / .250 ba / .868 ops

 

all 4 of his hits v LHP have been doubles. hence the high ops.

1 against Zach Dukes and who were the other doubles against? He has stunk so far.

[a700hitter]

This still frustrates LaRussa to no end. Oh, the joys of endlessly subbing in and out. Why can't the manager's powers be unlimited?

 

Maybe they could allow a player to be taken out and put back in once per game? That could be interesting. You could get a pinch runner for Ortiz in the 8th and not worry about the pinch runner needing to hit in extra innings?

Doesn't everyone love when the final 3 innings last an hour and a half?

[Slasher9]

1 against Zach Dukes and who were the other doubles against? He has stunk so far.

 

agree. i am for young being gone and Rusney brought up.

the other 3 doubles:

1 was v Ross Detwiler. 5.79 era in 4.2 IP thus far for cleveland.

1 was v JA Happ. no condemnation here.

1 was v Ryan Weber (ATL). 10.57 era in 2IP.....

[a700hitter]

agree. i am for young being gone and Rusney brought up.

the other 3 doubles:

1 was v Ross Detwiler. 5.79 era in 4.2 IP thus far for cleveland.

1 was v JA Happ. no condemnation here.

1 was v Ryan Weber (ATL). 10.57 era in 2IP.....

And those guys can't get out righties or lefties. Young is supposed to hit the Lefties that our left handed hitters can't hit.

[mvp 78]

Doesn't everyone love when the final 3 innings last an hour and a half?

 

Or the first 3 innings like last night?

[Maxbialystock]

Last night's win over Chicago might have been. The starter stunk. It was a cold night in Chicago and, more importantly, the rubber game against the current best team in the AL with the best pitching staff.

 

The three things I like the most about last night are (in no particular order): 1) Seven runs batted in by seven different hitters, reaffirming this is a deep lineup; 2) Solid, if not brilliant defense; 3) astute management of pitching staff to replace Owens after 3 innings and Hembree, who did his best to open the floodgates for the White Sox, which allowed us to hold the White Sox to just 3 runs.

 

We are still way early in the season. It this were 30 or more years ago, we would be looking for the infamous Red Sox "June swoon." For a Sox team, this one is pretty young, so you have to worry about their ability to stay focused thru that brutal 162 game season of basically 6 games a week. The rotation is a real concern, but the team ERA is coming down thanks in part to a pretty good bullpen, and dare I say it, managing. And the hitting, honestly, has been amazing. Ortiz is unreal, Ramirez seems to be coming around, Pedroia is like the 2008 version, Shaw is a huge, huge improvement over Sandoval, Bradley might be the best #9 hitter in the history of MLB (an exaggeration) and a big pain for opposing pitchers and managers, Holt is plugging along, and Betts and Bogaerts haven't reached their potential yet but are sure to. Both catchers catch and hit now and then.

[Kingface]

Last night's win over Chicago might have been. The starter stunk. It was a cold night in Chicago and, more importantly, the rubber game against the current best team in the AL with the best pitching staff.

 

The three things I like the most about last night are (in no particular order): 1) Seven runs batted in by seven different hitters, reaffirming this is a deep lineup; 2) Solid, if not brilliant defense; 3) astute management of pitching staff to replace Owens after 3 innings and Hembree, who did his best to open the floodgates for the White Sox, which allowed us to hold the White Sox to just 3 runs.

 

We are still way early in the season. It this were 30 or more years ago, we would be looking for the infamous Red Sox "June swoon." For a Sox team, this one is pretty young, so you have to worry about their ability to stay focused thru that brutal 162 game season of basically 6 games a week. The rotation is a real concern, but the team ERA is coming down thanks in part to a pretty good bullpen, and dare I say it, managing. And the hitting, honestly, has been amazing. Ortiz is unreal, Ramirez seems to be coming around, Pedroia is like the 2008 version, Shaw is a huge, huge improvement over Sandoval, Bradley might be the best #9 hitter in the history of MLB (an exaggeration) and a big pain for opposing pitchers and managers, Holt is plugging along, and Betts and Bogaerts haven't reached their potential yet but are sure to. Both catchers catch and hit now and then.

 

Thank you for saying that Max. Other than a few questionable decisions early on.....Farrell has been doing an outstanding job with this team. As you said.....the team is not without its issues but he has been putting together solid lineups, making great BP moves and managing the SP very well.

 

The Manager gets the blame when the team stinks......and the players get the praise when they do well. I for one have been VERY impressed with Farrell and I was one of the many saying he should NOT get his job back after 2015.........

[Maxbialystock]

I don't want to overstate Farrell's role because my inclination is always to give the players credit. I would have fired him last year. I have defended him this year only on general principles because I don't sweat in-game decisions or even lineups. I go by wins and losses. But I wanted to note that the rotation has made the in-game decisions a little tougher than usual and think Farrell has done that part well, last night being a great example. Even there, however, the relievers had to come through--Farrell hasn't thrown a single pitch this year.

 

My real intent was to focus on the team, which I think shows a lot of promise even with a rotation with too many Freddy Kruegers (Owens and Buchholz come immediately to mind, but also Price and Kimbrel the closer).

[Bellhorn04]

I don't really believe much in defining games, especially this early in the season. However, the team is playing impressive baseball, battling hard for 9 innings, and a lot of guys are hitting. Fun to watch right now.

[Kingface]

Well......I don't think it was a 'defining win'. It was an excellent win where everybody stepped up after that horrible start, however, that is also on e big takeaway. Good to great teams overcome problems and take it upon themselves to shoulder the load......this team is doing a GREAT job of this so far.

 

As for Kimbrel.....he'll be fine. He started slow last year but after the first few hiccups became pretty much the best closer in all of baseball. I don't have any worries with Price either. Right now my main concern is getting production from Mookie. As I stated in another thread......he seems to be getting into a funk where he starts slow. I predicted a sophomore slump for him and so far I am correct. I would still keep him at the top of the order......but he needs to start producing as Pedroia, Bogey and Ortiz can't carry the offense forever.

[Bellhorn04]

To me that stat is useless for comparative purposes, because you can't make an apples to apples comparison among players.

 

It's just kind of an extra stat really. The straight platoon stats are already there. Most people don't pay attention to this one, that's for sure.

[Spudboy]

I'm not understanding why Rutledge is not given any credit.

 

The Sox acquired a healthy AAAA player for a gimpy, aging, and not productive former great veteran.

 

Rutledge appears to be a little inconsistent defensively, but his bat is real.

 

He's a replacement player that's why he rides the bench most nights.

 

I don't cringe when he enters a game. Why do people here make fun of him?

[Bellhorn04]

We have 5 starters with an OPS over .800 and 7 with an OPS over .750. And one of the other 2 is Betts. Those are some sweet numbers. Very much like 2013.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not understanding why Rutledge is not given any credit.

 

The Sox acquired a healthy AAAA player for a gimpy, aging, and not productive former great veteran.

 

Rutledge appears to be a little inconsistent defensively, but his bat is real.

 

He's a replacement player that's why he rides the bench most nights.

 

I don't cringe when he enters a game. Why do people here make fun of him?

 

I think it's because there's a rule that you have to have at least 5 whipping boys to choose from.

[illinoisredsox]

Holt can play 3b, no?

 

Sure he can, but that means Young is in left, and it seems like a lot here just want to be rid of him already. And one of Holt's hits was that 45 foot frozen rope off Jennings last night. So going into that AB, he was hitting .222 off of lefties.

 

Two ways to take it; either non of them can hit lefties this season or it's way too soon to tell. I'm opting for the latter.

 

(The Shaw stats are interesting in light of virtually everyone trashing Farrell ph Young for him early on.)

Edited May 6, 2016 by illinoisredsox

[illinoisredsox]

This still frustrates LaRussa to no end. Oh, the joys of endlessly subbing in and out. Why can't the manager's powers be unlimited?

 

Maybe they could allow a player to be taken out and put back in once per game? That could be interesting. You could get a pinch runner for Ortiz in the 8th and not worry about the pinch runner needing to hit in extra innings?

 

Or maybe pitchers could learn to pitch more than 1 batter or inning at a time, so that 12 and 13 man pitching staffs aren't required.

[cp176]

is this going to be the JBJ that we have been waiting for? He is still a young man and just the other day no one stuttered when Elsbury headed to New York because we had this can't miss kid. If he becomes that player, we will be a very special team. Everything we have seen Mookie do, many of us felt it was what JBJ should be doing.

[Slasher9]

did this get moved? i could have sworn i started it in the correct forum.

[Youk Of The Nation]

That was my fault. I merged another thread with this one but forgot to specify the destination forum, and it kicked it automatically to the main Sox forum. All fixed now!

[Maxbialystock]

That was my fault. I merged another thread with this one but forgot to specify the destination forum, and it kicked it automatically to the main Sox forum. All fixed now!

 

Actually, you killed the thread ( a defining game?) on the Talk Sox forum by attaching it to slasher's game thread.

[mvp 78]

Actually, you killed the thread ( a defining game?) on the Talk Sox forum by attaching it to slasher's game thread.

 

I believe he was trying to move the "defining game" posts into the gamethread from last night, which is where it probably belongs.