2015 Red Sox Trade Deadline Thread

[SoxnCycles]

UN, the thing about getting a guy like Cueto, though, is that you're gonna have to move the top of the top to get him

 

Depends on just how badly they want to dig themselves out of the hole.

They have a the players to get it done, but it'll be painful.

[cp176]

Depending on the cost, that would be a good idea. I certainly hope the FO doesn't give up anything of significance for a 2 month rental.

 

I think what will likely end up happening is they add a pen arm and possibly an innings, depth type starter. At this point, I don't foresee any big splash.

 

I also hope greatly that they do not sign someone unless that person is signed beyond next season. I would feel a little better if I felt that the current team had shown that they can come from behind to win games a little more often. They have had chances but something seems to be missing. It just doesn't feel right.

[sk7326]

Pal, they might not have much of a choice. I think the only guy they can and might want to deal is Koji. 40 year old closers are a big risk, especially year to year. I know the sox would need one next yr, or a setup guy at least, but there is no guarantee that he's "Koji" next year anyway. Closers are never worth more than at the ASB, and this year is no different. There are about 4 teams who are out of it entirely at the ASB, so you have a lot of teams potentially interested. Plus, he's signed to a big money deal, but with his production, it isn't unreasonable. He's also another guy frequently on the DL. Deal him while he is healthy and don't be on the hook when age catches up to him

 

I could see the Red Sox doing BOTH at the same time. Maybe move Koji. But still put themselves in the Cueto conversation - knowing they have the money and chance to resign him. As UN notes, there are so many players in the pipeline who look blocked ... Cecchini, Merrero, Guerra, Margot, Chavis ... that dealing some of the heft is inevitable. Given the relative buyer's market for pitching, Cueto should be gettable and the Red Sox have enough prospect currency to "overpay" a little bit. That is, something which might feel like an overpayment in absolute terms, but not really to the Sox because of blocked prospects.

 

I could see the Sox dealing Ramirez - or looking into it - because he is on a very reasonable deal, and he would immediately be the best bat on the market.

[a700hitter]

I could see the Red Sox doing BOTH at the same time. Maybe move Koji. But still put themselves in the Cueto conversation - knowing they have the money and chance to resign him. As UN notes, there are so many players in the pipeline who look blocked ... Cecchini, Merrero, Guerra, Margot, Chavis ... that dealing some of the heft is inevitable. Given the relative buyer's market for pitching, Cueto should be gettable and the Red Sox have enough prospect currency to "overpay" a little bit. That is, something which might feel like an overpayment in absolute terms, but not really to the Sox because of blocked prospects.

 

I could see the Sox dealing Ramirez - or looking into it - because he is on a very reasonable deal, and he would immediately be the best bat on the market.

I don't see Ben being able to implement any sophisticated or complicated strategy at this time. I am looking for an Erik Bedard type acquisition-- nothing more.

[mvp 78]

Trading Eric Bedard for top prospects the way the O's did?

[a700hitter]

Trading Eric Bedard for top prospects the way the O's did?

No, the broken down Bedard traded to us by Seattle.

[Spudboy]

I'd buy on a top-flight pitcher if the possibility of signing an extension came along with the prospect package. Looking straight at Cueto.

 

I agree. I wonder what package the Reds would require. What do they need?

[Spudboy]

Depending on the cost, that would be a good idea. I certainly hope the FO doesn't give up anything of significance for a 2 month rental.

 

I think what will likely end up happening is they add a pen arm and possibly an innings, depth type starter. At this point, I don't foresee any big splash.

 

Yup. This is what I suspect as well.

[Spudboy]

I wonder if Swihart is available. We take this for granted that he is not going to be traded. But it is still a possibility. Especially if the Sox are intent on acquiring an upper tier arm like Cueto.

[BigPapi]

I agree. I wonder what package the Reds would require. What do they need?

 

All I know is that we couldn't offer them vasquez or swihart. The locked up devin mesoraco for 4 years. Unless we use a third team and trade one of our catchers to them in return for something the reds would want,

[a700hitter]

I wonder if Swihart is available. We take this for granted that he is not going to be traded. But it is still a possibility. Especially if the Sox are intent on acquiring an upper tier arm like Cueto.

Also, with Vasquez and Swihart, one of them gets blocked out by the other in our organization. I don't see either one as backup catchers.

[Elktonnick]

Also, with Vasquez and Swihart, one of them gets blocked out by the other in our organization. I don't see either one as backup catchers.

 

One of them will be traded eventually. The question is when. This may not be the best time to deal one of them. If however, they can get Hamels it is another thing. I think the Phillies are now in a position to get more then the Red Sox may be willing to offer.

[Palodios]

I originally believed Swihart might shift in and out of C/1B, but there isn't much future there unless Pablo/Hanley get traded.

[sk7326]

Obviously the white whale is Chris Sale - and that would be worth a premium price. Chicago probably should cash it in too - but it would take guts on a lot of parties.

[BigPapi]

Obviously the white whale is Chris Sale - and that would be worth a premium price. Chicago probably should cash it in too - but it would take guts on a lot of parties.

 

I can't even imagine how much it would take to get chris sale,

[SoxnCycles]

Obviously the white whale is Chris Sale - and that would be worth a premium price. Chicago probably should cash it in too - but it would take guts on a lot of parties.

 

Yup, it would take 3 or 4 of the blocked players you listed earlier, plus a young ML player, like Swihart or Betts.

 

We'd probably have to take a player like Danks or Melky Cabrera too.

[Thunder]

I can't even imagine how much it would take to get chris sale,

 

Basically the entire roster. In my mind, he's not for Sale.

[sk7326]

I can't even imagine how much it would take to get chris sale,

 

It would be considerable - although I think it is a price that the Red Sox could pay. The prospect and young big leaguer heft is there.

[Palodios]

Its midway through the year and a number of soon to be quality free agent pitchers haven't been signed to new contracts yet.

 

Look at this mess:

 

Price (29) 2.36 ERA this year

Kaczmir (32) 2.49 ERA this year.

Gallardo (30) 2.62 ERA this year.

Wei Yin Chen (30) 2.76 ERA this year.

Cueto (29) 2.72 ERA this year.

Zimermann (28) 3.22 ERA this year.

Fister (31) 4.08 ERA this year,

Samardzija (30) 4.02 ERA this year.

 

Greinke (31) Oh s*** 1.39 ERA is going to opt out of his contract.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Red Sox went for one at the deadline, and another in the offseason.

[Thunder]

Just read on ESPN that Cueto is #1 target for Astros. They have much more young talent than us to offer...

[SoxnCycles]

Its midway through the year and a number of soon to be quality free agent pitchers haven't been signed to new contracts yet.

 

Look at this mess:

 

Price (29) 2.36 ERA this year

Kaczmir (32) 2.49 ERA this year.

Gallardo (30) 2.62 ERA this year.

Wei Yin Chen (30) 2.76 ERA this year.

Cueto (29) 2.72 ERA this year.

Zimermann (28) 3.22 ERA this year.

Fister (31) 4.08 ERA this year,

Samardzija (30) 4.02 ERA this year.

 

Greinke (31) Oh s*** 1.39 ERA is going to opt out of his contract.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Red Sox went for one at the deadline, and another in the offseason.

 

I think this list is why they tried to roll with what they had this off season.

Why sign a guy like Shields, when this crop is available the next year?

[Kimmi]

I also hope greatly that they do not sign someone unless that person is signed beyond next season. I would feel a little better if I felt that the current team had shown that they can come from behind to win games a little more often. They have had chances but something seems to be missing. It just doesn't feel right.

 

I agree. I don't have a lot of confidence in this team to be able to come from behind. Especially once you get past the 6th inning.

 

I think the Sox still have a chance at the playoffs, but I don't think the chance is great enough to give up big pieces for a 2 month rental. If we can get someone who could also help us in 2016 and beyond, then that's a different story.

[Kimmi]

I could see the Red Sox doing BOTH at the same time. Maybe move Koji. But still put themselves in the Cueto conversation - knowing they have the money and chance to resign him. As UN notes, there are so many players in the pipeline who look blocked ... Cecchini, Merrero, Guerra, Margot, Chavis ... that dealing some of the heft is inevitable. Given the relative buyer's market for pitching, Cueto should be gettable and the Red Sox have enough prospect currency to "overpay" a little bit. That is, something which might feel like an overpayment in absolute terms, but not really to the Sox because of blocked prospects.

 

I could see the Sox dealing Ramirez - or looking into it - because he is on a very reasonable deal, and he would immediately be the best bat on the market.

 

I really hope the Sox don't deal Ramirez.

[Kimmi]

I think this list is why they tried to roll with what they had this off season.

Why sign a guy like Shields, when this crop is available the next year?

 

I agree this factored into their decision. We'll see if they sign any of these guys this year.

[Spudboy]

I agree. I don't have a lot of confidence in this team to be able to come from behind. Especially once you get past the 6th inning.

 

I think the Sox still have a chance at the playoffs, but I don't think the chance is great enough to give up big pieces for a 2 month rental. If we can get someone who could also help us in 2016 and beyond, then that's a different story.

 

The "Experts" have the Sox with a 14%-25% chance of making the playoffs. This was said no later than June 5 witch was before Buch went down.

[Thunder]

Its midway through the year and a number of soon to be quality free agent pitchers haven't been signed to new contracts yet.

 

Look at this mess:

 

Price (29) 2.36 ERA this year

Kaczmir (32) 2.49 ERA this year.

Gallardo (30) 2.62 ERA this year.

Wei Yin Chen (30) 2.76 ERA this year.

Cueto (29) 2.72 ERA this year.

Zimermann (28) 3.22 ERA this year.

Fister (31) 4.08 ERA this year,

Samardzija (30) 4.02 ERA this year.

 

Greinke (31) Oh s*** 1.39 ERA is going to opt out of his contract.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the Red Sox went for one at the deadline, and another in the offseason.

 

The problem with that, however, is that 5 of those guys are on teams that are definitely not sellers. I'm sure the White Sox would make Samardzija available for the right price, but other than that, the other two that are almost sure to be dealt are Cueto and Kazmir, since Billy Beane is not going to trade Gray.

[a700hitter]

The "Experts" have the Sox with a 14%-25% chance of making the playoffs. This was said no later than June 5 witch was before Buch went down.

And Buch going down was not just foreseeable, it was highly probable.

[Palodios]

The problem with that, however, is that 5 of those guys are on teams that are definitely not sellers. I'm sure the White Sox would make Samardzija available for the right price, but other than that, the other two that are almost sure to be dealt are Cueto and Kazmir, since Billy Beane is not going to trade Gray.

 

Besides Zimmerman, who do you think is untouchable? The Orioles are 4 games back, the Rangers are 6 games back, and everyone else is even more. Fister might be available in a trade that fills a hole for the Nats.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Palodios

[Kimmi]

The "Experts" have the Sox with a 14%-25% chance of making the playoffs. This was said no later than June 5 witch was before Buch went down.

 

Yes, and the experts are mostly right here. I know the odds are long, but there is still almost half a season to go, so there's a chance. The Sox will have to pitch and hit better than they did the first half.

[Spudboy]

Yes, and the experts are mostly right here. I know the odds are long, but there is still almost half a season to go, so there's a chance. The Sox will have to pitch and hit better than they did the first half.

 

Buch going down has forced the Sox hand with Johnson. Now we will see if he can contribute. Of course I do hope that he does but even if he and ERod can start enough, pitch enough innings, and win more than lose I can see no way that this team even sniffs the playoffs.

 

Of course if they decide to go out and snag two top starters ( possible, not likely ) at the deadline all bets would have to be off. I think even iOrtiz would have to agree!

 

Detroit and Cincy are going nowhere this year. Ben could go big and snag Price and Cueto!!! Go big or go home I say! Of course this would necessitate unloading several top prospects. I'm not keen on that. But if both pitchers would sign extensions I'd do it.

 

f*** the Cap.

 

Go all Yankee on the league!