The Buchholz Dilemma

[sk7326]

Since when were two top 20 prospects + minor pieces laughable ? Maybe expecting a haul for Buchholz is unrealistic, but there hasn't ever been a trade in baseball giving up three top 20 prospects, as far as I can remember.

 

Well, let's see ... The Beckett deal was a Top 10 prospect and a Top 100 one and having to take on Lowell's (then considered bad) deal. And that was more than what moved in the David Price deal.

 

The haul for Pedro was Carl Pavano and Tony Armas Jr - which is probably equivalent to the prospect haul for Beckett in 1998 terms.

[User Name]

The Sox should trade for Beane it would seem.

 

I'd love to see what Beane could do with this team's resources. He spurned the Sox once already though.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'd love to see what Beane could do with this team's resources. He spurned the Sox once already though.

 

He'd be interesting to say the least. Not sure how his model translates on a macro scale since a lot of his reinforcements come from dealing off unsignable talent. If he could sign his talent and keep them in Boston let's say, how would he refill his pot? I honestly don't know, but it would certainly make for some good TV. I know he spurned a better offer from the sox, but a man can only turn down so much. If the sox triple or quadruple his salary and give him an ownership stake, lets say, I doubt he can look himself in the eye and not take that spot

[sk7326]

He'd be interesting to say the least. Not sure how his model translates on a macro scale since a lot of his reinforcements come from dealing off unsignable talent. If he could sign his talent and keep them in Boston let's say, how would he refill his pot? I honestly don't know, but it would certainly make for some good TV. I know he spurned a better offer from the sox, but a man can only turn down so much. If the sox triple or quadruple his salary and give him an ownership stake, lets say, I doubt he can look himself in the eye and not take that spot

 

Well, I think the last offer included quite a bit of that - I think he just enjoys doing it this way. The challenge of staying ahead of the industry, identifying arbitrage. Sure he wishes he had a bit more luck in October, but having some ownership stake and iron locked loyalty from ownership is pretty neat too.

[Kimmi]

Unless the Sox fall apart in the next few weeks before the deadline, Buchholz stays. We are still in contention. Why trade away our best pitcher?

 

Even if the team does fall apart before the deadline, I'd be inclined to keep him unless the FO is blown away by some deal. The Sox will need veteran starting pitching next season, and as Bellhorn has stated, Buchholz is pitching very well and has a very reasonable contract.

[Palodios]

Here's a crazy anecdote:

 

Buchholz hosted a Bowling fundraiser. But, he is putting such an emphasis on not getting hurt that he isn't bowling at his own fundraiser. He's made of glass, but atleast he knows it.

 

https://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox_mlb/boston_red_sox/2015/07/confident_clay_buchholz_breathes_new_life_into_red_sox

[Bellhorn04]

Here's a crazy anecdote:

 

Buchholz hosted a Bowling fundraiser. But, he is putting such an emphasis on not getting hurt that he isn't bowling at his own fundraiser. He's made of glass, but atleast he knows it.

 

https://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox_mlb/boston_red_sox/2015/07/confident_clay_buchholz_breathes_new_life_into_red_sox

 

See? He's maturing.

[Jasonbay44]

Here's a crazy anecdote:

 

Buchholz hosted a Bowling fundraiser. But, he is putting such an emphasis on not getting hurt that he isn't bowling at his own fundraiser. He's made of glass, but atleast he knows it.

 

https://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox_mlb/boston_red_sox/2015/07/confident_clay_buchholz_breathes_new_life_into_red_sox

Good for Buchholz, it wouldn't be the first time a pro athlete injured himself bowling

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/sixers/2012/11/18/bynum-injures-knee-bowling/1712877/

[SoxHop]

Unless the Sox fall apart in the next few weeks before the deadline, Buchholz stays. We are still in contention. Why trade away our best pitcher?

 

Even if the team does fall apart before the deadline, I'd be inclined to keep him unless the FO is blown away by some deal. The Sox will need veteran starting pitching next season, and as Bellhorn has stated, Buchholz is pitching very well and has a very reasonable contract.

 

I agree..... unless there is some kind of amazing trade.

 

But at 13 mil the next two year.......... that has to be a really good return we get...... REALLY GOOD.

[Kimmi]

Good for Buchholz, it wouldn't be the first time a pro athlete injured himself bowling

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/sixers/2012/11/18/bynum-injures-knee-bowling/1712877/

 

Smart move on his part. Bowling is a sport that puts a lot of strain on the back, the knees, and the entire bowling hand/arm from the fingers to the shoulder. I injured my shoulder bowling and didn't have full range of my shoulder without pain for over a year.

[mvp 78]

If he bowled with an 8 lb ball and wasn't throwing it very hard, it'd be less dangerous than say bringing in the groceries from his car.

[a700hitter]

If he bowled with an 8 lb ball and wasn't throwing it very hard, it'd be less dangerous than say bringing in the groceries from his car.

Didn't he lose half a season from an injury suffered putting his daughter to sleep?

[Palodios]

If he bowled with an 8 lb ball and wasn't throwing it very hard, it'd be less dangerous than say bringing in the groceries from his car.

 

Good point. The Red Sox should hire someone to help him with his groceries.

[Bellhorn04]

Didn't he lose half a season from an injury suffered putting his daughter to sleep?

 

God knows what that was really all about. Let's just never have it happen again please, Clay.

[Bellhorn04]

Good point. The Red Sox should hire someone to help him with his groceries.

 

LMAO. Seriously, the guy should have a butler, nanny, and various other helpers paid for by the team.

[mvp 78]

Didn't he lose half a season from an injury suffered putting his daughter to sleep?

 

Not sure about his daughter, but my 9 month old is well over 8 lbs. Carrying her around is much more taxing than bowling.

[jacksonianmarch]

Too late now to deal him. If he needs TJS, a big question is whether they pick up the options or let him walk

[Station 13]

Too late now to deal him. If he needs TJS, a big question is whether they pick up the options or let him walk

 

send him to some third world country to get the procedure and leave him there.

[mvp 78]

Too late now to deal him. If he needs TJS, a big question is whether they pick up the options or let him walk

 

Walk on home, boy.

[Kimmi]

Too late now to deal him. If he needs TJS, a big question is whether they pick up the options or let him walk

 

If he needs TJS, there would be no point in picking up his option for next year. If the MRI comes back clean, I say most definitely yes on picking up the option.

[jacksonianmarch]

I guess the question becomes how long you'd want to hold onto him for. Remember, he has two options. Declining the option for next year allows him to walk. If he needed surgery and got it done in July, he theoretically could

Be ready to return next August or so. So I guess the question is, how much does a year plus two months/playoffs of Buchholz cost? My assumption is that they'd decline the option as well, but the fact that they own two reasonably priced options might add a little wrinkle in there

[Kimmi]

I guess the question becomes how long you'd want to hold onto him for. Remember, he has two options. Declining the option for next year allows him to walk. If he needed surgery and got it done in July, he theoretically could

Be ready to return next August or so. So I guess the question is, how much does a year plus two months/playoffs of Buchholz cost? My assumption is that they'd decline the option as well, but the fact that they own two reasonably priced options might add a little wrinkle in there

 

He is well worth the risk at $13 mil for one year. At $26.5 mil for one year plus maybe 2 months, I don't think so. With Clay being as fragile as he is, his recovery/rehab will likely take longer than average. If Clay needs TJS, the FO will go another route this offseason.

[sk7326]

Good news is he figured it out right away - and that this is happening around the All-Star Break ... assuming the MRI is clean, they might not lose too many starts because of the timing

[Spudboy]

Good news is he figured it out right away - and that this is happening around the All-Star Break ... assuming the MRI is clean, they might not lose too many starts because of the timing

 

And this is the best possible spin.

[Bellhorn04]

Clay has been diagnosed with a flexor strain. Early indications are no damage to UCL. Doug Fister had a flexor strain this year and was out about a month.

[Elktonnick]

My question is how much if anything does throwing the cutter increase the possibility of elbow injury. There has been a lot written about the ill effects caused by throwing the cutter. I believe that CB threw a cutter right before this happened.

[Kimmi]

Clay has been diagnosed with a flexor strain. Early indications are no damage to UCL. Doug Fister had a flexor strain this year and was out about a month.

 

Well, that is encouraging, but with Clay, about a month could end up being 3 months.

[Elktonnick]

If he does come back in August, he will be so worried about his arm I expect he will be in full Barney Fife mode.

[mvp 78]

His season is over.

[jacksonianmarch]

It cost Miller a month and that is with him making one rehab appearance, plus he's a reliever. Buchholz is probably out 45 days or so as he wont throw at all for 2-3 weeks, will play catch/pen sessions for 1-2 weeks and then will need 2-3 rehab starts to get his arm up to starters stamina. You will probably see him come the end of August or beginning of September assuming no setbacks