6/10 @ The Annoying Thorne Birds

[Bellhorn04]

signing two third basemen over the winter and sticking one of them in the outfield was not well thought out.

 

Shoulda just kept Cespedes for left field, it seems. But we could play do-overs all day.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

[cp176]

No question about the do-overs. If we are going to have another tough year, I would rather have it after a little house cleaning.

Management has said that they do not intend to trade JBJ. If he is not playing in Boston, what purpose does he serve?

[a700hitter]

Shoulda just kept Cespedes for left field, it seems. But we could play do-overs all day.

Sure there have been plenty of wrong moves, but I think the HanRam/Panda signings reflect an impulsivity that didn't follow any plan. It's almost like they said, "Oh, these guys are good buys. Let's take them both." It didn't matter that there was one position for the two of them. The OF was not an option for either of them. In fat, Hanley is so bad in LF, you have to ask whether Panda would do worse out there. LOL!

[iortiz]

Shoulda just kept Cespedes for left field, it seems. But we could play do-overs all day.

At the time I was all in regarding this. Instead they brought Porcello, and just like that they gave him an extension while overpaying. Brilliant.

Edited June 11, 2015 by iortiz

[cp176]

Sure there have been plenty of wrong moves, but I think the HanRam/Panda signings reflect an impulsivity that didn't follow any plan. It's almost like they said, "Oh, these guys are good buys. Let's take them both." It didn't matter that there was one position for the two of them. The OF was not an option for either of them. In fat, Hanley is so bad in LF, you have to ask whether Panda would do worse out there. LOL!

 

"In fat" - Did you just try to sneak that one by? I just wonder if the impulse buying is just a shot at trying to appease a fan base. I would much prefer to lose with youth as it develops if you are going to lose.

[cp176]

With respect to Sandoval in left probably not but after watching Holt play all over the place it does make me wonder about some things. You could make a case for your ss being the best athlete on your team. You take a guy who has been a career ss/third baseman and move him to left. You know that there is going to a bit of a learning curve but c'mon really.

[a700hitter]

"In fat" - Did you just try to sneak that one by? I just wonder if the impulse buying is just a shot at trying to appease a fan base. I would much prefer to lose with youth as it develops if you are going to lose.

just a typo. LOL!! If the fans had any influence over the FO, they would have re-signed Lester. Their impulsive move to get Hanley is on them. Red Sox Nation wasn't clamoring for him.

[Spudboy]

just a typo. LOL!! If the fans had any influence over the FO, they would have re-signed Lester. Their impulsive move to get Hanley is on them. Red Sox Nation wasn't clamoring for him.

 

As I remember it, no one was even talking about Hanley coming to Boston until he approached the Sox with the idea of left field.

 

And since there were no other suitors that we know of I have to question why it was needed to spend $20.+ mil for 4 years on getting him. Massive overpay given his non-existent market. Yeah, he was probably the best bat available in FA but that is negated by the fact that no one wanted him.

 

If they did not sign Panda I suppose Hanley at 3rd could have been livable for a year or so. Then move him to DH.

 

This was all just a very bad idea. And unnecessary.

[Palodios]

signing two third basemen over the winter and sticking one of them in the outfield was not well thought out.

 

In all fairness, it was a third baseman and a shortstop.

 

I still can't believe it... it seemed like everyone here agreed about it being dumb, and you know how rarely that happens.

[Kimmi]

FTR, I liked the Hanley signing, and while I didn't like the Sandoval signing, I completely understand why the FO would sign both of them. There is good rationale behind both signings, despite the fact that it looks bad right now.

[Kimmi]

Oh, I didn't realize that. In that case, both of those plays should be included in the stupid base running stat. Kimmi, do you know if the get counted in the stat?

 

Yes, both of those plays would be counted in the TOOTBLAN stat.

 

FTR, the stat is not intended to point out "stupid" base running, although its name suggests otherwise. (Thrown Out On The Basepaths Like A Nincompoop). The LAN part really isn't important, or accurate. The purpose behind this stat was to determine the adjustment that should be made to OBP when a runner is thrown out on the basepaths, because he effectively wipes out his being on base in doing so.

 

Also, TOOTBLAN is not a saberstat. It's a basic counting stat, and doesn't tell you much, similar to "Hits". A stat like Fangraphs UBR is much more comprehensive and meaningful.

 

Here's the TOOTBLAN site if you're interested:

 

http://tootblan.tumblr.com/2015

[cp176]

FTR, I liked the Hanley signing, and while I didn't like the Sandoval signing, I completely understand why the FO would sign both of them. There is good rationale behind both signings, despite the fact that it looks bad right now.

 

That is interesting. I thought that the Sandoval signing was necessary. I was very much in favor of it. I was not in favor of the Ramirez signing at all. He has had a negative effect on every clubhouse that he has been in. Never heard anything good about the kind of person that he is. I have to say that I have been pleasantly surprised by his approach since he has been here. Everybody knows that he can hit and that is a good thing but secondary to the qualities that make up a good teammate. That being said, I don't think that he is going to be an issue at all. I hate seeing him in left field and have a hard time understanding why the transition has been so tough but I still have to say that I am happy that he is in our lineup. If he can stay in the lineup, I think that he will help.

[a700hitter]

Yes, both of those plays would be counted in the TOOTBLAN stat.

 

FTR, the stat is not intended to point out "stupid" base running, although its name suggests otherwise. (Thrown Out On The Basepaths Like A Nincompoop). The LAN part really isn't important, or accurate. The purpose behind this stat was to determine the adjustment that should be made to OBP when a runner is thrown out on the basepaths, because he effectively wipes out his being on base in doing so.

 

Also, TOOTBLAN is not a saberstat. It's a basic counting stat, and doesn't tell you much, similar to "Hits". A stat like Fangraphs UBR is much more comprehensive and meaningful.

 

Here's the TOOTBLAN site if you're interested:

 

http://tootblan.tumblr.com/2015

 

Thanks

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If there's one thing everyone on TalkSox agreed on, it's that the Sandoval signing was terrible, and it has been so far.