Is the actual rotation the worst in the last 10 Y?

[iortiz]

The point isn't whether I'll be happy with a 4.3 ERA or not. The point was that he'll likely be worth his $20 mil per year contract, since he was worth it the past 2 seasons.

Did he worth 20 M/Y in 2013? How's that?

[iortiz]

The point isn't whether I'll be happy with a 4.3 ERA or not. The point was that he'll likely be worth his $20 mil per year contract, since he was worth it the past 2 seasons.

 

.... Also forget what they say. I'm asking you. Would you be happy?. I don't think JH will be happy if he posts during the next four years an era above 4.

[Kimmi]

Did he worth 20 M/Y in 2013? How's that?

 

 

Fangraphs pitcher WAR is based on FIP and Inning Pitched.

[Kimmi]

.... Also forget what they say. I'm asking you. Would you be happy?. I don't think JH will be happy if he posts during the next four years an era above 4.

 

 

No, I likely wouldn't be happy about it, but I wouldn't necessarily be unhappy either if the Sox are winning.

[iortiz]

No, I likely wouldn't be happy about it, but I wouldn't necessarily be unhappy either if the Sox are winning.

 

We are talking about Porcello. On the hand, If the team wins despite Porcello, I certainly will be happy about the team, but not at all about Porcello.

[Youk Of The Nation]

4 or over, I win. Under 150 IP for whatever reason, I win. Those are my conditions, deal?

 

Okay. 4 or under, I win, over 150IP, I win. Right?

[iortiz]

Okay. 4 or under, I win, over 150IP, I win. Right?

 

4 I win.

[Youk Of The Nation]

4 I win.

 

Okay, so 3.99 and under. And if he pitches under 150IP, you win, so that means if he exceeds 150IP, no matter what the ERA, I win, right?

[iortiz]

Okay, so 3.99 and under. And if he pitches under 150IP, you win, so that means if he exceeds 150IP, no matter what the ERA, I win, right?

 

You win if posts an ERA under 4 AND 150 IP or more. In other words, you win if he posts 3.99 and 150 IP.

 

I win if he posts an ERA of 4 or more OR less than 150 IP. In other words, I win if he posts 4 or 149 2/3 IP.

 

Playoffs doesn't count. He has to post this with Red Sox uniform. He has to reach this 150 IP, no matter what (ex. If he gets injured at 100 IP, and lose the rest of the season, you lose.)

 

This goes for SC and H as well. Please let me know if you are still in.

 

Hopefully you three, win. Good luck.

[Youk Of The Nation]

You win if posts an ERA under 4 AND 150 IP or more. In other words, you win if he posts 3.99 and 150 IP.

 

I win if he posts an ERA of 4 or more OR less than 150 IP. In other words, I win if he posts 4 or 149 2/3 IP.

 

Playoffs doesn't count. He has to post this with Red Sox uniform. He has to reach this 150 IP, no matter what (ex. If he gets injured at 100 IP, and lose the rest of the season, you lose.)

 

 

 

This goes for SC and H as well. Please let me know if you are still in.

 

Hopefully you three, win. Good luck.

 

Oh, in that case, no thanks. I'm not sure why you expected me to accept a bet in which you get the "or" and I have to take the "and", but that's not going to happen.

[iortiz]

Oh, in that case, no thanks. I'm not sure why you expected me to accept a bet in which you get the "or" and I have to take the "and", but that's not going to happen.

 

Well, it is based on what everybody is projecting, good ERA and durability. Happens that I do not see that. Some here are pretty sure the he will be healthy an posting a good ERA. 150 IP and an ERA under 4 is pretty friendly for those who are optimistic about him.

In other words, If he gets injured or posts an ERA over 4, this contract will be a disaster.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Yeah, but you're completely disregarding injuries unrelated to "durability". Never mind strains or fatigue, what happens if he gets Beltre-d like Ellsbury did? Or if he's covering first and someone shatters his ankle or something? If you get to win the bet just because he doesn't make the inning limit, regardless of his ERA, it's only fair that I should win the bet if he does make the inning limit, regardless of his ERA.

[iortiz]

Yeah, but you're completely disregarding injuries unrelated to "durability". Never mind strains or fatigue, what happens if he gets Beltre-d like Ellsbury did? Or if he's covering first and someone shatters his ankle or something? If you get to win the bet just because he doesn't make the inning limit, regardless of his ERA, it's only fair that I should win the bet if he does make the inning limit, regardless of his ERA.

Injuries are always around this game and it is part of the game. When you make a commitment to a player, you are aware of that. So, it is part of the risk, mostly when you make a commitment like they did to Porcello. Ells, Buch, Materson, etc are injury prone players. I don't think it is the case of Porcello, but you never know when an injury could start, mostly at SPs.

 

Don't worry YTN, maybe in other occasion we bet, no big deal.

[iortiz]

I think Kim was willing to accept this.

[Spudboy]

Why is it necessary to prove how big one's penis is?

 

Isn't that what the fantasy league is for?

[iortiz]

Fangraphs pitcher WAR is based on FIP and Inning Pitched.

 

So Harang worth what? 25 M?, He posted last year the same FIP and ERA which BTW are lower than Porcello's 2013 ERA; plus Harang has better SO/9 and same WAR.

 

Wonder, how much worth Kershaw, then.

Edited April 9, 2015 by iortiz

[iortiz]

Why is it necessary to prove how big one's penis is?

 

Isn't that what the fantasy league is for?

 

I took this just for fun, and to add some pepper to the thing, not big deal at all.

[iortiz]

... And Fantasy is about to assemble team and managing it during several months, and not about a single player.

[User Name]

So Harang worth what? 25 M?, He posted last year the same FIP and ERA which BTW are lower than Porcello's 2013 ERA; plus Harang has better SO/9 and same WAR.

 

Wonder, how much worth Kershaw, then.

 

The Harang/Porello comparison is stupid. Harang is an older pitcher with no upside who got by on a scorching first half. He's also an extreme flyball pitching playing in a home-run suppressing stadium.

 

 

Again, you wouldn't know common sense if you saw it slowly fly up to your house in a B-52 that said "Heeeeeere's common sense!" and dropped a napalm bomb on your house.

[Bellhorn04]

So Harang worth what? 25 M?, He posted last year the same FIP and ERA which BTW are lower than Porcello's 2013 ERA; plus Harang has better SO/9 and same WAR.

 

Wonder, how much worth Kershaw, then.

 

Be reasonable. Harang is 36. He got paid back in 2009-2010, making $14 million and $12.5 million those years, which is pretty close to $20 million in current baseball economic values.

[Kimmi]

I think Kim was willing to accept this.

 

 

First off, it's really a moot point since neither one of has 10,000 posts and can change our sig line.

 

Secondly, your condition that Porcello has to reach 150 IP no matter what is unfair in the case that he gets injured in some freak play that is beyond his control. That, IMO, has nothing to do with durability. That said, I will accept it anyway.

[a700hitter]

First off, it's really a moot point since neither one of has 10,000 posts and can change our sig line.

 

Secondly, your condition that Porcello has to reach 150 IP no matter what is unfair in the case that he gets injured in some freak play that is beyond his control. That, IMO, has nothing to do with durability. That said, I will accept it anyway.

Signatures don' t require a minimum number of posts. Changing custom user names has a minimum post requirement. So, have at it.

[a700hitter]

Why is it necessary to prove how big one's penis is?

 

Isn't that what the fantasy league is for?

Haven't you heard the expression: "If you have it, flaunt it."

[OriginalUsername]

Be reasonable. Harang is 36. He got paid back in 2009-2010, making $14 million and $12.5 million those years, which is pretty close to $20 million in current baseball economic values.

 

Harang signed that contract after 3 years of 200+ innings and a WAR of 4.6 and above. He was a better pitcher than Porcello when he signed that contract. The contract was also a 4 year $36 million contract that was back loaded so it had an annual amount of $9 million. Not the $20 million Porcello is set to receive.

 

Edit- He signed it prior to the 2007 season so he was coming off 2 seasons of 200+ innings and 4.6+ WAR. His season prior to signing that contract he had a 5.7 WAR (Over double Porcello's) and 234 IP.

Edited April 9, 2015 by OriginalUsername

[sk7326]

Harang signed that contract after 3 years of 200+ innings and a WAR of 4.6 and above. He was a better pitcher than Porcello when he signed that contract. The contract was also a 4 year $36 million contract that was back loaded so it had an annual amount of $9 million. Not the $20 million Porcello is set to receive.

 

Edit- He signed it prior to the 2007 season so he was coming off 2 seasons of 200+ innings and 4.6+ WAR. His season prior to signing that contract he had a 5.7 WAR (Over double Porcello's) and 234 IP.

 

Also 3 years older than Porcello at the time all of this happened.

[a700hitter]

I think the $20 million mark is looked upon by many as a demarcation above which elite pitchers get paid. I don't think Porcello is viewed by many as being in the elite group.

[iortiz]

Be reasonable. Harang is 36. He got paid back in 2009-2010, making $14 million and $12.5 million those years, which is pretty close to $20 million in current baseball economic values.

 

She based the thing on metrics reason why I put the ex.

[iortiz]

Harang signed that contract after 3 years of 200+ innings and a WAR of 4.6 and above. He was a better pitcher than Porcello when he signed that contract. The contract was also a 4 year $36 million contract that was back loaded so it had an annual amount of $9 million. Not the $20 million Porcello is set to receive.

 

Edit- He signed it prior to the 2007 season so he was coming off 2 seasons of 200+ innings and 4.6+ WAR. His season prior to signing that contract he had a 5.7 WAR (Over double Porcello's) and 234 IP.

Your common sense is killing this board.

[iortiz]

I think the $20 million mark is looked upon by many as a demarcation above which elite pitchers get paid. I don't think Porcello is viewed by many as being in the elite group.

 

Porcello is not a 20 M pitcher by any means.

[Bellhorn04]

Harang signed that contract after 3 years of 200+ innings and a WAR of 4.6 and above. He was a better pitcher than Porcello when he signed that contract. The contract was also a 4 year $36 million contract that was back loaded so it had an annual amount of $9 million. Not the $20 million Porcello is set to receive.

 

Edit- He signed it prior to the 2007 season so he was coming off 2 seasons of 200+ innings and 4.6+ WAR. His season prior to signing that contract he had a 5.7 WAR (Over double Porcello's) and 234 IP.

 

OK, good response.

 

Now, since you obviously believe in WAR, I assume you're good with FanGraphs WAR values for Porcello and the dollar values of about $20 million for both 2013 and 2014.