Is the actual rotation the worst in the last 10 Y?

[iortiz]

Porcello has to hit 150+ IP

and under 4.0 ERA for $100 US?

 

I'm in.

A Man here. We have a deal SoxnCycles.

[SoxnCycles]

A Man here. We have a deal SoxnCycles.

 

Deal.

[iortiz]

.... For the record SC, if he hits under 150 IP for whatever reason, I win.

[OriginalUsername]

I was a big Youk fan but he deserved what he got. His attack on Porcello was silly and futile. He was always getting plunked.

 

Cabrera was also hit twice that game so it was retaliation. I thought it was silly he attacked a 20 year old Porcello but didn't go after Edwin jackson who hit him the previous night. I also thought it was funny Porcello originally tried to hit Victor Martinez only to become teammates later.

[SoxnCycles]

.... For the record SC, if he hits under 150 IP for whatever reason, I win.

 

Yes, I figured that.

Glad I wont be the one rooting for a

Sox injury.

[iortiz]

Yes, I figured that.

Glad I wont be the one rooting for a

Sox injury.

 

LOL, actually I really want that you win.

[jd98]

I posted this earlier in the year

If there was an actual betting line on each of the Sox SP over/under 4.00 ERA, with -110 odds, I'd bet 1 unit on Porcello under and Miley over, and 3 units on Kelly and Masterson over, and not touch Buchholz.

so yeah I would take your bet. However, I am happily poor, so 1 unit for me is usually just $10. I'd prefer it be no action if he doesn't reach 150 IP. I'd hate to lose because of some freak injury when he's pitching well. As a compromise, how about make it 3.90 ERA and 150 IP, but bet is void if he doesn't reach 150 IP.

[Kimmi]

If people don't want to bet the under on a 4 ERA, they don't really believe their own rhetoric about Porcello.

 

 

Or maybe some of us just don't bet. Don't presume to know why I don't want to bet.

[Kimmi]

The only bad defender on the Tigers defense last year was Castellanos. The right side of the defense was much improved with Cabrera replacing Fielder and Kinsler playing 2B. Porcello has been usually bad against lefties but was much improved last year which could very well be due to the improved right infield defense. I think last year was his ceiling.

 

Edit- I should say the only bad defensive infielder. The OF was still a dumpster fire.

 

 

When the Tigers defense improved, Porcello's ERA improved. Being a groundball pitcher, it's not a stretch to think that his 4+ ERAs were largely a product of poor defense.

[a700hitter]

Or maybe some of us just don't bet. Don't presume to know why I don't want to bet.

Make a sig bet if you don't want to bet money.

[Kimmi]

Saying "sig bets are for boys" and calling Kimmi "lady" makes you sound like an ******* tbh.

 

 

Thank you mvp. :-*

[Kimmi]

Some could take you as a pessimist around here for saying this kind of common sense. Porcello is not a 20 M pitcher by any means.

 

 

And yet, he was worth just over $20 mil in each of his last 2 years. Go figure.

[Kimmi]

.... For the record SC, if he hits under 150 IP for whatever reason, I win.

 

 

Actually, I think that if he pitches under 150 IP, the bet should be called off. The bet was about whether he could carry his ERA under 4 or not. It's unfair that SoxNCycles would lose the bet if Porcello's pitching well and gets injured.

[Kimmi]

Make a sig bet if you don't want to bet money.

 

 

I told iortiz that I would be more than happy to make a sig bet.

[SoxnCycles]

Actually, I think that if he pitches under 150 IP, the bet should be called off. The bet was about whether he could carry his ERA under 4 or not. It's unfair that SoxNCycles would lose the bet if Porcello's pitching well and gets injured.

 

He's got to cover his ass somehow.

I think he knows it's a bad bet otherwise.

No biggie.

I think Porcello is durable enough to handle it.

Heck, even Buchholz managed 170 last year.

[sk7326]

When the Tigers defense improved, Porcello's ERA improved. Being a groundball pitcher, it's not a stretch to think that his 4+ ERAs were largely a product of poor defense.

 

Indeed - that said for him to reach a consistent 3-4 win level (i.e. what he is being paid for allegedly) ... an uptick in the strikeouts would be a good thing

[Kimmi]

He's got to cover his ass somehow.

I think he knows it's a bad bet otherwise.

No biggie.

I think Porcello is durable enough to handle it.

Heck, even Buchholz managed 170 last year.

 

 

I think you're right. Porcello has been durable. That would still stink if he took a liner off the knee or something and missed a good portion of the season though.

[Kimmi]

Indeed - that said for him to reach a consistent 3-4 win level (i.e. what he is being paid for allegedly) ... an uptick in the strikeouts would be a good thing

 

 

I don't disagree about the strikeouts. Two things he has going for him though are that he doesn't give up a lot of HRs and he doesn't walk a lot of batters.

[Spudboy]

Or maybe some of us just don't bet. Don't presume to know why I don't want to bet.

 

Yup.

[Spudboy]

When the Tigers defense improved, Porcello's ERA improved. Being a groundball pitcher, it's not a stretch to think that his 4+ ERAs were largely a product of poor defense.

 

And of course his youth.

[a700hitter]

I told iortiz that I would be more than happy to make a sig bet.

So good, then you are willing to back up your opinion by putting something on the line. My comment wasn't presuming anything about you.

[mvp 78]

Thank you mvp. :-*

 

Sorry, that was my tourettes talking apparently.

[Behindenemylines]

You got to believe that the Sox think a better defense behind him will mean a lower ERA. I was a little surprised when I saw the Sox extended Porcello after reading so much about him going to FA and not negotiating during the season. From the Sox's perspective they are betting that Porcello is a top of the staff pitcher that will eat some innings. Plus the four years are prior to him turning 30. From Porcello's perspective he has to feel comfortable in Boston and may feel that with so many pitchers becoming FA at the end of the season he doesn't want to get lost in the crowd.

[OriginalUsername]

You got to believe that the Sox think a better defense behind him will mean a lower ERA. I was a little surprised when I saw the Sox extended Porcello after reading so much about him going to FA and not negotiating during the season. From the Sox's perspective they are betting that Porcello is a top of the staff pitcher that will eat some innings. Plus the four years are prior to him turning 30. From Porcello's perspective he has to feel comfortable in Boston and may feel that with so many pitchers becoming FA at the end of the season he doesn't want to get lost in the crowd.

 

I think all along Porcello wanted to play in Boston. He's from the east coast and has family in Vermont. Also judging by the way he waxed poetically about the Red Sox ability to win as if he never played on a winning team before, he really wanted to be a Red Sock.

 

The Tigers did try to move him before 2014 but nobody would offer anything so they traded Fister. One year later they're able to get a pretty decent player. A lot of Tiger fans feel Shane Greene can replace Porcello. I'm not sure about that but I would rather gamble on Greene. Porcello is always going to be a guy who can hammered or pitch a shutout. Despite having a good defense, there will be games where he will be BABIP to death. He was hit pretty good towards the end of last year and was the Tigers number 4 going into the playoffs.

[sk7326]

I think all along Porcello wanted to play in Boston. He's from the east coast and has family in Vermont. Also judging by the way he waxed poetically about the Red Sox ability to win as if he never played on a winning team before, he really wanted to be a Red Sock.

 

The Tigers did try to move him before 2014 but nobody would offer anything so they traded Fister. One year later they're able to get a pretty decent player. A lot of Tiger fans feel Shane Greene can replace Porcello. I'm not sure about that but I would rather gamble on Greene. Porcello is always going to be a guy who can hammered or pitch a shutout. Despite having a good defense, there will be games where he will be BABIP to death. He was hit pretty good towards the end of last year and was the Tigers number 4 going into the playoffs.

 

Considering the top 3 starters were three of the last 4 Cy Young Award winners - that hardly seems to be a dig.

[iortiz]

And yet, he was worth just over $20 mil in each of his last 2 years. Go figure.

 

So if he posts 4.3, you'll be happy?

[OriginalUsername]

Considering the top 3 starters were three of the last 4 Cy Young Award winners - that hardly seems to be a dig.

 

Verlander was not good last year. Price had to pitch the final game of the season. It was worthy of debate whether Porcello should have started game two or not.

[sk7326]

Verlander was not good last year. Price had to pitch the final game of the season. It was worthy of debate whether Porcello should have started game two or not.

 

Oh sure Verlander wasn't - but every manager would give him benefit of the doubt there. Ausmus has generally done a not good job - but not for that.

[Kimmi]

So if he posts 4.3, you'll be happy?

 

 

The point isn't whether I'll be happy with a 4.3 ERA or not. The point was that he'll likely be worth his $20 mil per year contract, since he was worth it the past 2 seasons.

[User Name]

The point isn't whether I'll be happy with a 4.3 ERA or not. The point was that he'll likely be worth his $20 mil per year contract, since he was worth it the past 2 seasons.

 

You are trying to find logic where there is none. Good luck with that.