Is the actual rotation the worst in the last 10 Y?

[User Name]

As Lee gets older and older, I don't see the point in bringing him in.

 

For one year and with this group? I see it.

[iortiz]

As Lee gets older and older, I don't see the point in bringing him in.

 

Me neither. I do not think he will stay healthy a full season again.

[User Name]

You can't say in the same breath that you don't expect Lee to stay healthy one season then say that you think the most overworked starter since 2007 will hold up through a 4-year deal. Be consistent.

[mvp 78]

In what universe would Lee cost a top prospect, and how is a one year deal (albeit at a possibly very high price) comparable to a 4-year deal? That makes no sense.

 

We are talking about Amaro, right? Dude's head is in the clouds. Of course he wants a top prospect. My guess is he won't move Lee until trading deadline at earliest if at all.

[iortiz]

I think Shields has enough gas to last 4 or even 5 more years at good level. On the other hand Lee is already sin gas y de bajada. Edited February 11, 2015 by iortiz

[User Name]

We are talking about Amaro, right? Dude's head is in the clouds. Of course he wants a top prospect. My guess is he won't move Lee until trading deadline at earliest if at all.

 

If they can get him at the TDL for cheaper and he's producing, i'd wait. Again, this is a scenario that depends on whether they actually need to make a move. For all we know, the rotation could be good and Owens could fill it out come mid-season.

[iortiz]

Moving up Owens would be a better idea than Lee.

[iortiz]

We are talking about Amaro, right? Dude's head is in the clouds. Of course he wants a top prospect. My guess is he won't move Lee until trading deadline at earliest if at all.

 

If Lee is producing (which I doubt it) and P is out of playoffs, I think several teams will be interested on him and pushing... my position if I were Amaro, would be wanting a top prospect, no doubt.

[Spudboy]

As Lee gets older and older, I don't see the point in bringing him in.

 

Well one can easily see your point.

 

Lee could prove to be nothing more than a very expensive Schmoltz.

 

The key is not what the Sox give up for him or how much he is paid so much as it is exactly what kind of health the guy is in. It may be wishful thinking that at his age he could resume career form. On the other hand, if he is healthy he could be a reliable 6-7 inning per start guy.

 

I say that if the Sox trust the physicals and evaluations than it is a reasonable risk to take.

[User Name]

^ This. "Reasonable risk" is what i'm going for here.

[Spudboy]

^ This. "Reasonable risk" is what i'm going for here.

 

Of course.

 

We all go ga ga over big name signings like Panda and Hanley. But "risky" moves are always part of the roster construction process.

 

This is the type of move that could really make a difference to the team this year. Even if it is only for half of a season.

[Bellhorn04]

It's that 12.5 million buyout that makes Lee's contract extra scary. If he gets injured you could end up paying him 37.5 million for a year or less. From everything I've read that 12.5 million is guaranteed money. He either gets that or he gets a second year at 25 million if he reaches 200 innings and his option vests.

[iortiz]

If he is producing, I do not see any risk for the rest of 2015 after the TD. As I said, If he is producing, I see a lot of teams pushing and offering top value. The 1000 M question would be what would the FO be willing to give up for Lee?...

[User Name]

It's that 12.5 million buyout that makes Lee's contract extra scary. If he gets injured you could end up paying him 37.5 million for a year or less. From everything I've read that 12.5 million is guaranteed money. He either gets that or he gets a second year at 25 million if he reaches 200 innings and his option vests.

 

I'd rather risk the big hit for one year than 1-2 years of improductivity and dead money from Shields, or paying Scherzer until we land on the moon.

[iortiz]

It's that 12.5 million buyout that makes Lee's contract extra scary. If he gets injured you could end up paying him 37.5 million for a year or less. From everything I've read that 12.5 million is guaranteed money. He either gets that or he gets a second year at 25 million if he reaches 200 innings and his option vests.

 

 

Well... if that is the case I will not even look him as a possibility.

[a700hitter]

Well one can easily see your point.

 

Lee could prove to be nothing more than a very expensive Schmoltz.

 

The key is not what the Sox give up for him or how much he is paid so much as it is exactly what kind of health the guy is in. It may be wishful thinking that at his age he could resume career form. On the other hand, if he is healthy he could be a reliable 6-7 inning per start guy.

 

I say that if the Sox trust the physicals and evaluations than it is a reasonable risk to take.

I don't put much trust in the organization's ability with regard to physicals.

[Palodios]

I'd rather risk the big hit for one year than 1-2 years of improductivity and dead money from Shields, or paying Scherzer until we land on the moon.

 

An MLB exhibition game on the moon in 2028 would be awesome.

[mvp 78]

Isn't the "reasonable risk" indirect relation to the players given up?

[mvp 78]

An MLB exhibition game on the moon in 2028 would be awesome.

 

He's talking about DR getting to the moon. They are working on advanced slingshot technology right this monent.

[User Name]

Isn't the "reasonable risk" indirect relation to the players given up?

 

Yes. But if Amaro keeps being unreasonable (and with his job in jeopardy after the FO restructure the Phillies are going through that is unlikely) then this whole scenario is moot.

[iortiz]

Isn't the "reasonable risk" indirect relation to the players given up?

 

I think it is direct relation.

[mvp 78]

I meant "in direct." Stupid iphone.

[Palodios]

He's talking about DR getting to the moon. They are working on advanced slingshot technology right this monent.

 

Sounds promising. Let's send the Yankees up first.

[iortiz]

I meant "in direct." Stupid iphone.

 

hahaha

[a700hitter]

They can just walk to the other side of the island to Haiti and they will think they are on the moon.

[User Name]

He's talking about DR getting to the moon. They are working on advanced slingshot technology right this monent.

 

Actually, we are working on a rocket powered by donkey poop. Get your facts straight.

[User Name]

I meant "in direct." Stupid iphone.

 

That's what you get for having an iphone, you hipster.

[mvp 78]

That's what you get for having an iphone, you hipster.

 

Hipster? Iphone is number 1 phone for grandmas in USA. What a country!

[mvp 78]

Actually, we are working on a rocket powered by donkey poop. Get your facts straight.

 

Your rocket powered donkey would never get through the flatusphere.

[Spudboy]

Isn't the "reasonable risk" indirect relation to the players given up?

 

Yes, of course. I asked who people saw as potential trade pieces going to Phillie from the Sox.

 

I would assume that the Sox would make a smart deal.