Ryan Dempster will not pitch in 2014

[Bellhorn04]

What Ive read, the players want him back but Cher and Farr are ready to move on. I think the pitchers want him because hes a decent fielder. Thats why I like him.

 

Cher and Farr...I like it.

[Bellhorn04]

I think that ownership is hoping that another team signs him. It seems like his teammates like him and want him back. The Red Sox have publicly said that they would like to have him back, but I have not read about any offer by the Sox other than the QO. In the beginning they said they were waiting to see if they would match his other offers. It seems that he has no reasonable offers on the table. Camps are open. If they truly wanted him they would make him an offer. I think they will be relieved if he signs elsewhere. It will be face-saving to the players and fans if he leaves for a nice contract. If the FO was counting on the Mets being that team, they are sadly mistaken. They spent their budget. In the end Drew's price may come so low that the Yanks will jump in and they will have the starting SS and CFer from our championship team. That would be bizarre.

 

Yeah, that would be bizarre. Latest on the Yankees is that Hal said the wallet is closed after signing Tanaka.

[SoxSport]

Try telling that to Cherington and Farrell who still seem to have their love arrows out for one Stephen Money Grubbing Drew!!!!!!!!!

 

Farrell's lineup on twitter has X at SS and Mbrooks at 3B.

 

Abraham says X really wants to play SS. I say he could be the all-star AL SS off his playoffs form.

[BSN07]

Having the extra money works for the sox assuming good health in the rotation. Dempster offered you a rubber armed veteran presence who can pitch out of the pen and rotation. That is worth something, although nowhere near $13 mil. Regardless, with him out, you probably have to deal with pulling Workman out of the pen should there be an injury to the rotation. And let's be honest, there will be. The odds that Buchholz makes it through the whole year are next to none. And Workman is far more effective out of the pen.

 

The Sox have good depth at SP imo.They could do a lot worse for a #6 than Workman.

[mvp 78]

The Sox have good depth at SP imo.They could do a lot worse for a #6 than Workman.

 

With Buch and Peavy, that's bound to be a #4 at some point in the season.

 

Who is next to come up? Renaudo? RDLR? Webster?

[Palodios]

I am not convinced Dempster is done. I fully expect him back midseason.

 

We all seem to forget that Dempster was worth a top 100 prospect in a midseason trade only 18 months ago. Maybe he has some nagging injuries, but he seems valuable enough that he could take some time to heal, and then help the Red Sox significantly midseason when someone else goes down. Otherwise they may need to trade someone like a Ranaudo or a Betts just to fill in a spot at #5.

[seabeachfred]

Farrell's lineup on twitter has X at SS and Mbrooks at 3B.

 

Abraham says X really wants to play SS. I say he could be the all-star AL SS off his playoffs form.

--While visions of Drew boy dance in Farrell's head.

[seabeachfred]

The Sox have good depth at SP imo.They could do a lot worse for a #6 than Workman.

 

Keep in mind BSN that we have Buchholz in our rotation---talented but brittle as hell, and Peavy has had some arm miseries as well. I still think we are going to need another solid starting pitcher. We've loaded up with relievers and that's terrific but we better not be caught short in the starting department. That's a tough division and tougher league we play in.

[Bellhorn04]

--While visions of Drew boy dance in Farrell's head.

 

Stop worrying about Drew, Fred. He'll be in pinstripes before you know it.

[VA Sox Fan]

--While visions of Drew boy dance in Farrell's head.

 

Stop worrying about Drew, Fred. He'll be in pinstripes before you know it.

 

Yes fred PLEASE. If you mention Stephen Drew one more time, I am going to politely request the Mods to ban you until the Drew ordeal is solved. Thanks!

[mvp 78]

Keep in mind BSN that we have Buchholz in our rotation---talented but brittle as hell, and Peavy has had some arm miseries as well. I still think we are going to need another solid starting pitcher. We've loaded up with relievers and that's terrific but we better not be caught short in the starting department. That's a tough division and tougher league we play in.

Stop stealing my material.

[SoxSport]

--While visions of Drew boy dance in Farrell's head.

 

Farrell may have come to grips the FO wants X at SS and MBrooks at 3B.

[SoxSport]

Keep in mind BSN that we have Buchholz in our rotation---talented but brittle as hell, and Peavy has had some arm miseries as well. I still think we are going to need another solid starting pitcher. We've loaded up with relievers and that's terrific but we better not be caught short in the starting department. That's a tough division and tougher league we play in.

 

They are talking to Capuano, but I bet they would have to pretty much guarantee him a spot in the rotation to get him.

[Palodios]

It all depends on whether or not Capuano is humble enough to put a team before himself. The Dodger's rotation was better than him, and I suspect most of the best teams in the majors will have 5 better starters than him.

[seabeachfred]

Yes fred PLEASE. If you mention Stephen Drew one more time, I am going to politely request the Mods to ban you until the Drew ordeal is solved. Thanks!

 

On that note VA I would probably be banned indefinitely because this Drew show goes on and on. However, as a favor to you I'm going to try and take a page from Archie Bunker's book and stifle myself on that as best I can. Root me on there; it's might be a tough job for me but I will give it a real go.

[seabeachfred]

Stop stealing my material.

 

OK mvp, it's all yours from here on in with Buch, but do me a favor. Take over the Drew contretemps as well. You and VA are pals and she still just tolerates me now.

[seabeachfred]

Farrell may have come to grips the FO wants X at SS and MBrooks at 3B.

 

SoxSport, hope you're right. I just promised VA that I would stifle myself until the Drew matter is solve. Now for the coming to grips with X and WMB as you say Farrell has, that would be fine with me. I know if Middlebrooks fails this season I going to have to eat a lot of s*** on this board since I have been as vocal for him to play 3B as I was for the Red Sox to resign Napoli. I just believe this is the way to go. Though I wasn't a fan of the Red Sox at the time, I do remember that in 1975 the Sox said to hell with it and placed two rookies, Jim Rice and Fred Lynn into the starting lineup. Seems they went to the WS that year if my memory serves we well. And didn't they have a couple of other rookies on the team as well?

[mvp 78]

If the Sox signed Drew to wallow on the bench it'd the tune the old cow died of.

[seabeachfred]

Definitely. The effect that his absence will have on team/clubhouse morale will be greater than the effect of the absence of his performance on the field.

 

BTW, I just off the Cubs message board a half hour ago. I sometimes post there since I have a little affection for them since they like we were once and they play in a classic ballpark. They had nothing but nice things to say about Dempster themselves, and I can confess that I feel like a perfect ass having referred to him as Dumpster a few times early last season.

[SoxSport]

The way I see it, every good team has to have a few young guys with upside to balance out a few older guys over 30 who may be on the downside. That's the Red Sox right now--with their blend of younger players, middle players in their prime, and older players. You can pretty much fill in the names by age. Those younger guys may make the season if some of the over 30 guys (Vic,Nap, Papi, etc.) get hurt or have off years. The same goes for the pitching. They have a nice blend of age.

 

You look at the Yankees, and they are the opposite. Very few young players. A lot of old guys with big contracts on the downside. A few retreads signed to fill in holes. Sure, their blank check philosophy and Baseball's lack of a salary cap helps to patch up these shortcomings, but age inevitably catches up during the season.

 

The stronger teams in baseball will continue to be teams like the Cardinals, Giants, Rays, Pirates, Red Sox and a few others. The Dodgers have done a better job than the Yankees in mixing in young talent, so you expect they will do well, too.

[Youk Of The Nation]

BTW, I just off the Cubs message board a half hour ago. I sometimes post there since I have a little affection for them since they like we were once and they play in a classic ballpark. They had nothing but nice things to say about Dempster themselves, and I can confess that I feel like a perfect ass having referred to him as Dumpster a few times early last season.

 

"A few"?!

[seabeachfred]

"A few"?!

 

Give me your address and I will send you an early Christmas present Mr. Super Moderator.......a nice hair splitting machine.:D OK, maybe I referred to Dempster by that other title a few more than just a few times. I take it all back.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Give me your address and I will send you an early Christmas present Mr. Super Moderator.......a nice hair splitting machine.:D OK, maybe I referred to Dempster by that other title a few more than just a few times. I take it all back.

 

Always strive for specificity, it is the soul of debate.

[VA Sox Fan]

BTW, I just off the Cubs message board a half hour ago. I sometimes post there since I have a little affection for them since they like we were once and they play in a classic ballpark. They had nothing but nice things to say about Dempster themselves, and I can confess that I feel like a perfect ass having referred to him as Dumpster a few times early last season.

 

You and several others were guilty of that atrocity! Dempster intentionally threw a pitch at A-Rod last season. He is a stand up citizen for that alone!!!

[NativeBostonian]

You and several others were guilty of that atrocity! Dempster intentionally threw a pitch at A-Rod last season. He is a stand up citizen for that alone!!!

 

Well...he did stink like a dumpster at times, last season. As a person, I love the guy. But, he just wasn't worth the money the Sox payed him.

[sk7326]

Well...he did stink like a dumpster at times, last season. As a person, I love the guy. But, he just wasn't worth the money the Sox payed him.

 

He was not going to make an impact on this team. At the same time, he was going to be useful as A) insurance and a trade asset. I think folks seriously undervalued how useful a guy on a 1 year 12 million hitch would have been to trade by the end of spring training. For what he is (a guy with swing and miss stuff who was very durable and had some bad homerun luck) he had some industry value. I'd rather pay Dempster $12M and hope than Ervin Santana $60 million and hope a little less.

[Behindenemylines]

The old saying you can never have enough pitching is starting to take shape. First, Dempster shuts it down for 2014. Then Peavy forgets how to use a knife.

If Peavy can't put his hand in his glove to field his position then that might open up the 5th spot for one of the kids.