2014 Roster Projections

[jacksonianmarch]

They should add in to the CBA a clause reducing a player's post suspension contract to league minimum for the equivalent of 1 yr

[dupree]

They should add in to the CBA a clause reducing a player's post suspension contract to league minimum for the equivalent of 1 yr

For the 1st time i agree with you. That would be useful and incentive based not to use PEDs. But I dont see the CBA doing it. It would be nice but I just dont see it. Only way in my opinion is to take away $ from the player for an extended period of time. I hate to admit but I believe whole heartedly that Bud Selig has a grudge against ARod and that he is trying to make an example out of him fair or not fair whatever is your opinion. I know Arod had admitted to using in the past but this is a different situation so I think he should of got only 50games just like the rest. He never has failed a test so I dont see no matter if ARod done anything concerning tampering with Bosch or his files the point of the matter is that he has never failed a test and with the evidence MLB had against him that at the end of the day he still only deserved 50games. A full year is a lot. But no matter what PEDs needs out of baseball and no matter what this puts a bad image on the game.

[User Name]

So what you're trying to say is that the precedent should be set that a player who tampers with an investigation by bullying/buying key witnesses, actively recruits and helps supply other players with PEDs AND uses PEDs should be punished the same way as someone who simply used PEDs? Sell me on this.

[mvp 78]

Melky Cabrera only got 50 even though he set up a fake website which dragged out his investigation.

[Bellhorn04]

Melky Cabrera only got 50 even though he set up a fake website which dragged out his investigation.

 

Yes, it was a little strange they didn't punish him further about the fake website. Wasn't worth their while to pursue it I guess.

[SoxSport]

I'm on board with you regarding the disgust over Peraltas contract. Very sad statement.

 

What it says is MLB tolerates PED use, as long as you don't get caught. This is consistent with Mitchell report, which said effectively everybody knew.

[SoxSport]

They should add in to the CBA a clause reducing a player's post suspension contract to league minimum for the equivalent of 1 yr

 

Ha. The chances of the Players Union approving that are zero and none. They are for doubling my cable TV bill.

[SoxSport]

For the 1st time i agree with you. That would be useful and incentive based not to use PEDs. But I dont see the CBA doing it. It would be nice but I just dont see it. Only way in my opinion is to take away $ from the player for an extended period of time. I hate to admit but I believe whole heartedly that Bud Selig has a grudge against ARod and that he is trying to make an example out of him fair or not fair whatever is your opinion. I know Arod had admitted to using in the past but this is a different situation so I think he should of got only 50games just like the rest. He never has failed a test so I dont see no matter if ARod done anything concerning tampering with Bosch or his files the point of the matter is that he has never failed a test and with the evidence MLB had against him that at the end of the day he still only deserved 50games. A full year is a lot. But no matter what PEDs needs out of baseball and no matter what this puts a bad image on the game.

 

Why would Selig have a grudge against ARod? And not against Braun, who got off in the courts on a technicality? No. I think Selig is trying to get his contract voided so the Yankees have money to buy their way back into the playoffs--important for the TV networks.

[Bellhorn04]

Why would Selig have a grudge against ARod? And not against Braun, who got off in the courts on a technicality? No. I think Selig is trying to get his contract voided so the Yankees have money to buy their way back into the playoffs--important for the TV networks.

 

Yes, you figured it out. The entire A-Rod investigation was about increasing your cable bill.

[User Name]

Bell bringing the funny ^

[reYoukilis]

As much as I hate A-Rod, I think Selig is just as or more of a scum bag in this situation. Hes trying to act like mister tough guy now, when he let that PED stuff happen unaltered for years. It is Selig that couldve stopped it. Because PED use was so rampant, if you were a borderline player, you pretty much had to use the stuff if you wanted to stay. Selig was the only one with the power to stop the cycle. And now hes trying to save face because his hand is being forced. I hope history gets the truth right because there seems to be a smear job going on trying to make Selig look good.

 

What I really love about all this is that it all started with Canseco's book. That pathetic attempt at grabbing attention is still causing tsunami sized ripples today.

[User Name]

The only reason Selig came down so hard in A-Rod is because Rodriguez is an idiot and brought this on himself. Everyone else got let off easy, but he s*** on the chance he was given to negotiate, tried to pay off/bully key witnesses, and generally interfered with MLB's investigation. Had he backed down like a scared puppy like Braun did, he would've gotten off with a slap on the wrist. He gets no sympathy from me.

[a700hitter]

Jason Bay has said that he will probably retire. Is he worth an invitation to camp to see if he has anything left. And consider him as a righty platoon option?

[Palodios]

Jason Bay has said that he will probably retire. Is he worth an invitation to camp to see if he has anything left. And consider him as a righty platoon option?

 

I didn't think there was a "probably" in there. Sounded set in stone to me. What a great player, cut short by concussion issues.

[a700hitter]

I didn't think there was a "probably" in there. Sounded set in stone to me. What a great player, cut short by concussion issues.

 

What I read was that he didn't see a scenario under which he would return. That's a little different than just saying "I'm done." His statement can be interpreted as saying that for the right offer (i.e., any offer) he might consider it. That aside, if he is open to playing again, is he worth the invitation?

[mvp 78]

He can't play RF. No thanks.

[Dojji]

No to Bay, he just wasn't the same after his first year here for some reason.

 

We have plenty of starting caliber players, what we need is a defense guy who won't cost us too many outs. Ideally what I'd have loved to see is a Bill Hall type, or at least what Hall was for us.

[User Name]

He was even better his second year here:

 

Bay 2008: .895 OPS total, .894 with Pirates, .897 with Red Sox.

 

Bay 2009: .921 OPS.

 

I don't get how how he "wasn't the same after his first year here". His real issues started after the concussion and assorted injuries he had in 2010.

[mvp 78]

He was even better his second year here:

 

Bay 2008: .895 OPS total, .894 with Pirates, .897 with Red Sox.

 

Bay 2009: .921 OPS.

 

I don't get how how he "wasn't the same after his first year here". His real issues started after the concussion and assorted injuries he had in 2010.

 

Enough with the gotcha posts.

[User Name]

Gotta bring up them facts.

[Spudboy]

Bay plays left field only. If he has anything "left in the tank", it would seem that he lacks positional versatility given the Sox currently perceived needs. In any case, I always liked the guy and I wish him well.

[mvp 78]

Gotta bring up them facts.

 

The facts! I'm melting! I'm melting... Oh what a world...

[SoxSport]

Jason Bay has said that he will probably retire. Is he worth an invitation to camp to see if he has anything left. And consider him as a righty platoon option?

 

Bay had some bad luck with concussions, as I recall. But he got a ridiculous NY style contract from the Mets, to lure him from the Red Sox, and he would be foolish not to retire.

 

I was thinking about parallels of the Yankee signing of Ellsbury. As I recall, they also signed Damon a year after the Sox won on 04. Interesting coincidence. That tells you how pissed off, maybe, the Steinbrenners were about the Red Sox beating them the previous year. Of course, there is also the Babe Ruth signing in 1920 from the Red Sox championship team--which was actually a sale, along with a few other core players.

[Dojji]

He was even better his second year here:

 

Bay 2008: .895 OPS total, .894 with Pirates, .897 with Red Sox.

 

Bay 2009: .921 OPS.

 

I don't get how how he "wasn't the same after his first year here". His real issues started after the concussion and assorted injuries he had in 2010.

 

first FULL year then

[User Name]

Bay had some bad luck with concussions, as I recall. But he got a ridiculous NY style contract from the Mets, to lure him from the Red Sox, and he would be foolish not to retire.

 

I was thinking about parallels of the Yankee signing of Ellsbury. As I recall, they also signed Damon a year after the Sox won on 04. Interesting coincidence. That tells you how pissed off, maybe, the Steinbrenners were about the Red Sox beating them the previous year. Of course, there is also the Babe Ruth signing in 1920 from the Red Sox championship team--which was actually a sale, along with a few other core players.

 

What the f*** is a "NY style" contract? Out of the top 20 largest contracts in baseball history, the Yankees and Mets have five contracts combined (Sabathia, Teixeira, Jeter, Ellsbury, Santana for the Mets) yet the Red Sox have given out three (Ramirez, Gonzalez, Crawford), the Phillies three (Hamels, Howard, Lee) the Tigers three (Miggy, Fielder, Verlander) and the rest is divided among the rest of the league. The top tier teams all spend stupid money. Cry me a river with the "NY spends so much money" nonsense. All of the rich teams spend stupid money.

[seabeachfred]

What I read was that he didn't see a scenario under which he would return. That's a little different than just saying "I'm done." His statement can be interpreted as saying that for the right offer (i.e., any offer) he might consider it. That aside, if he is open to playing again, is he worth the invitation?

 

I wonder if Jason Bay had not signed with the Mets and stayed with the Red Sox whether he would have had those concussions playing in a ballpark that he had become totally familiar with compared to that new and weird configuration in Queens. Remember, his last year for us he hit 36 homers and drove in 119 runs and Epstein, in one of his less impressive moves, let him walk and then replaced him with a totally spend Mike Cameron who immediately got hurt and forgot how to field while he continued to remember how not to hit. To boot, Epstein engineered Ellsbury's move to left field to "save his legs" which resulted in a crash with Adrian Beltre that sidelined him for the season. Some of the moves Theo made in his late Red Sox years boggled the mind and had all sorts of booby traps and land mines.

Edited January 14, 2014 by seabeachfred

[SeanJohn93]

The Red Sox are reportedly interested in Korean right-hander, Suk Min Yoon and Cuban right-hander Raicel Iglesias. I really think that relief pitchers are a crap shoot every year. The more depth you have, the better. Throw pitchers out there in the bullpen and see who sticks.

[reYoukilis]

The Red Sox are reportedly interested in Korean right-hander, Suk Min Yoon and Cuban right-hander Raicel Iglesias. I really think that relief pitchers are a crap shoot every year. The more depth you have, the better. Throw pitchers out there in the bullpen and see who sticks.

Its hilarious that this time last year we were saying that our bullpen was going to be one of our strong points, which it was, but not for the reasons or with the people that was thought to be. Uehara was considered to be a good pickup but he was supposed to be set up at the most.

 

Amendment - looking at the stats, when I say "strong points" I mean, when it counts.

Edited January 15, 2014 by reYoukilis

[SoxSport]

Its hilarious that this time last year we were saying that our bullpen was going to be one of our strong points, which it was, but not for the reasons or with the people that was thought to be. Uehara was considered to be a good pickup but he was supposed to be set up at the most.

 

Typical for a team that wins it all. Crazy things happen. That's why it's so difficult to repeat.

[redsoxrules]

I wonder if Jason Bay had not signed with the Mets and stayed with the Red Sox whether he would have had those concussions playing in a ballpark that he had become totally familiar with compared to that new and weird configuration in Queens. Remember, his last year for us he hit 36 homers and drove in 119 runs and Epstein, in one of his less impressive moves, let him walk and then replaced him with a totally spend Mike Cameron who immediately got hurt and forgot how to field while he continued to remember how not to hit. To boot, Epstein engineered Ellsbury's move to left field to "save his legs" which resulted in a crash with Adrian Beltre that sidelined him for the season. Some of the moves Theo made in his late Red Sox years boggled the mind and had all sorts of booby traps and land mines.

 

Bay sucked before that concussion. He fell off the map right as soon as he left Boston.

I for one am glad the Sox didn't sign him.