2014 Roster Projections

[seabeachfred]

Yeah let's conveniently forget that the last two seasons he's played 179 games and hit for an .834 OPS. He also has a massive contract, making him not only a gamble if traded for, but an expensive one. He also doesn't have the "s*** luck" factor that Ellsbury did when accounting for his injuries. All in all, i don't see it.

 

Hey, we agree. Kemp is also a terrific talent that is heavily injury prone and has a strong tendency to loaf on the bases and in the field. The Dodgers will trade him only if they want to get rid of him and for that we don't give them any of our top prospects. If they don't like that, sell him to somewhere else. They want to trade us Kemp? We tell them that for Cecchini or WMB or Renaudo or Owens, it is a non starter.

[seabeachfred]

It's a possible buy low candidate who you'd be buying at a large contractual obligation. If you traded for Kemp two years ago, you would have had to send Bogaerts, Owens, Ranaudo and your first born to get him. Now, send over one good prospect, another middling one and eat a whole lot of dough and you can have him. Kemp is a chronically injured guy who keep pulling, tweaking, straining, etc and he seems to never come back healthy or he comes back too soon and misses more time. Granderson makes absolutely no sense for Boston. I watched the guy and enjoyed many of his homeruns. Many which would have landed in the gloves of RFers had they been hit in Fenway. He's hit 61 of his 108 HRs (56%) between 2010 and 2012 at home. He also had a split of .872 vs .815 OPS home vs road over the last 3 years. He's a good player outside of Yankee Stadium. He is borderline elite in Yankee stadium. His defense in CF sucks. His D in LF is good. Getting him for ages 33-35 at $15 mil per yr in Fenway as a CFer wouldn't be a smart bargain.

 

How is it that a yankee fan of all people seems to know more about what is good for the Red Sox than some of my colleagues here know? And this is no joke. You got it right Jacko.

[seabeachfred]

I think that fans are starting to reach to replace Ellsbury's offensive production. James projects JBJ at 15HR's next year. Middlebrooks at 32, Bogaerts at 19 ... I do not think that we need to go out on a limb for either Grandy or Kemp. Sign Napoli and all will be well.

 

Now just with that Mark and don't anyone else here shake your tree. This what we have to do....exactly IMHO. The only other thing we need to do is get a CF who can spell Jackie just in case, and by just in case I mean if he fails miserably. If not leave him alone, leave Bogey alone, leave Will alone and start working on a long range deal for Lester.

[seabeachfred]

Mariners are said to be the front runners now for Cano. Hahaha i love it. I hope he goes there. The Yankees will have a big void to fill now if he does sign there.

 

Screw the ha ha ha now Dupree. Save it for if and when Cano does jump ship. Too many Red Sox fans as well as front office people seem to always say they were blindsided by things that happened---just as Farrell feigned shock that Ells left the reservation (no pun intended). Do not EVER EVER EVER underestimate what the Yankees can and will do. Save your laughs and hope you can use them later on. No matter what the Yankees say about holding the line on Cano, just call it typical New York ******** so you don't get egg on your face and say you were blindsided too. And remember this....Seattle always talks big but they never seem to carry out what they say they want to do. Their GM Gihzeurohek(sic) is a total incompetent puke who within a year will be canned with extreme prejudice if the owners of that team have any more brains that he has.

[seabeachfred]

Hasn't Lucchino gone on record several times as saying he learned "not to fall in love with veterans", and that he was on board with the "youth movement"? I mean, i don't like LL any more than you do Fred, but let's keep the conspiracy theories to a minimum.

 

Yes, he said exactly that User and I wish he really meant it. The difference is you probably believe him. Me? Let's say until we see how this plays out I will withhold any accolades that he has seen the light. I do hope he means it. Face it, we are on record as not being interested in taking on any long term contracts (and I hope that means Kemp stays in LA or goes somewhere else). If that is so our farm system and player development program must produce the players that can help us win in the future. We have that system in play right now, don't we? So let's do it that way and hope Lucchino means what he says.

[User Name]

Yet another instance of the fabled Quintuple post.

 

Fred 3 (2 quintuples, one sixtuple)- Internet 0.

[marklmw]

Screw the ha ha ha now Dupree. Save it for if and when Cano does jump ship. Too many Red Sox fans as well as front office people seem to always say they were blindsided by things that happened---just as Farrell feigned shock that Ells left the reservation (no pun intended). Do not EVER EVER EVER underestimate what the Yankees can and will do. Save your laughs and hope you can use them later on. No matter what the Yankees say about holding the line on Cano, just call it typical New York ******** so you don't get egg on your face and say you were blindsided too. And remember this....Seattle always talks big but they never seem to carry out what they say they want to do. Their GM Gihzeurohek(sic) is a total incompetent puke who within a year will be canned with extreme prejudice if the owners of that team have any more brains that he has.

Fred, you are 100% correct. Sox fans should be laughing at such rumors until the ink has dried on a Seattle - Cano contract ... and even then you might have to throw a glass of cold water in my face.

[marklmw]

Yet another instance of the fabled Quintuple post.

 

Fred 3 (2 quintuples, one sixtuple)- Internet 0.

^Funny stuff. Be nice to Fred.

[seabeachfred]

^Funny stuff. Be nice to Fred.

 

He knows that I try to catch up on things and that means multiple posts. For the life of me I don't know how User can be on this board all day. He is either independently wealthy or we works nights.

[User Name]

My phone? I also work independently, but i'm not wealthy (yet).

[marklmw]

My phone? I also work independently, but i'm not wealthy (yet).

 

I am online all day and a good part of the night like tonight as I am watching all the Homeland series on the Showtime Network. Guys ... Homeland is awesome.

[rjortiz]

I am online all day and a good part of the night like tonight as I am watching all the Homeland series on the Showtime Network. Guys ... Homeland is awesome.

 

Season 2 and 3 sucked.

[marklmw]

Season 2 and 3 sucked.

 

I am on eps. 10 of season 1.

[BornToRun]

My phone? I also work independently, but i'm not wealthy (yet).

 

Can you give me a salaried position when you're wealthy? Throw a mojo brother a bone?

[SoxSport]

Screw the ha ha ha now Dupree. Save it for if and when Cano does jump ship. Too many Red Sox fans as well as front office people seem to always say they were blindsided by things that happened---just as Farrell feigned shock that Ells left the reservation (no pun intended). Do not EVER EVER EVER underestimate what the Yankees can and will do. Save your laughs and hope you can use them later on. No matter what the Yankees say about holding the line on Cano, just call it typical New York ******** so you don't get egg on your face and say you were blindsided too. And remember this....Seattle always talks big but they never seem to carry out what they say they want to do. Their GM Gihzeurohek(sic) is a total incompetent puke who within a year will be canned with extreme prejudice if the owners of that team have any more brains that he has.

 

Well, sure. Starbrenner, Jr is capable of buying up every name FA--and then leaving the lower mgt to sort out the mess. That's what Starbrenner, Sr, did at the advent of FA in the late 70s. While that dork Haywood Sullivan was rebelling against FA by ditching Fisk and Lynn, Star Sr was vacuuming up every FA available. At ST in the late 70s, Billy Martin, Yankees manager (a favorite of mine) said to Star Sr., "George, I can't play all those guys!" What George should have done was turn a couple of them into race horses--another of his passionate interests.

Edited December 6, 2013 by SoxSport

[User Name]

What the f*** is a Starbrenner?

[Youk Of The Nation]

I think the repeated misspelling was intentional. My guess is to emphasize the Yankees' tendency to overpay for "star" FAs.

[User Name]

Was it supposed to be funny then? He should leave the humor to the professionals like BTR and you.

[Hitch]

Screw the ha ha ha now Dupree. Save it for if and when Cano does jump ship. Too many Red Sox fans as well as front office people seem to always say they were blindsided by things that happened---just as Farrell feigned shock that Ells left the reservation (no pun intended). Do not EVER EVER EVER underestimate what the Yankees can and will do. Save your laughs and hope you can use them later on. No matter what the Yankees say about holding the line on Cano, just call it typical New York ******** so you don't get egg on your face and say you were blindsided too. And remember this....Seattle always talks big but they never seem to carry out what they say they want to do. Their GM Gihzeurohek(sic) is a total incompetent puke who within a year will be canned with extreme prejudice if the owners of that team have any more brains that he has.

 

No offence fred but I think Farrell feigned shock for fans like you.

 

I've been watching and following Basbeall for less than a year, and I wasn't shocked by Ellsbury going to the Yankees. Dissapointed - sure, but not shocked.

 

You seem overly obsessed with the Yankees. I understand they are the Red Sox biggest rivals, but why are you constantly talking about "not underestimating the Yankees" and that "the fans and FO office are being blindsided by them." Nobody should give a s*** about what they are doing. You don't put together a strategy for winning, by watching what the Yankees are doing and trying to block it. You concentrate by taking care of matters at your own club.

 

The Red Sox just won a WS. Do you think they sat in the FO last year and said "Right lets see what the Yankees are doing here, because it's imperitive to us that we keep an eye on them to win this WS" - Of course they didn't. They signed the players they thought would give them the best chance. Why would they do it any other way?

 

Ellsbury got too expensive for the Sox so they walked away. If Yankees want to come in and saddle themselves with the contract they did, so be it. What would you have had the Sox do? Match or better the offer just to stop New York getting him? That would be absolute lunacy.

 

I have to be honest, as an outsider just new to this sport, I am stunned by how many of you are seemingly not happy. You've just won the WS, you have the best farm system in the Major Leagues, and you have a very good base already in place with extra signings to come.

 

Who cares what the Yankees do? Only care what Boston do. And for my eyes, they seem to be making some very smart plays, something I don't see, when I look at the Yankees.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Was going to post in the Mujica thread, makes more sense here. Anyways, how about trading to get Trumbo? I don't think he's a FA until a few years. I think we can work something out.

[User Name]

No offence fred but I think Farrell feigned shock for fans like you.

 

I've been watching and following Basbeall for less than a year, and I wasn't shocked by Ellsbury going to the Yankees. Dissapointed - sure, but not shocked.

 

You seem overly obsessed with the Yankees. I understand they are the Red Sox biggest rivals, but why are you constantly talking about "not underestimating the Yankees" and that "the fans and FO office are being blindsided by them." Nobody should give a s*** about what they are doing. You don't put together a strategy for winning, by watching what the Yankees are doing and trying to block it. You concentrate by taking care of matters at your own club.

 

The Red Sox just won a WS. Do you think they sat in the FO last year and said "Right lets see what the Yankees are doing here, because it's imperitive to us that we keep an eye on them to win this WS" - Of course they didn't. They signed the players they thought would give them the best chance. Why would they do it any other way?

 

Ellsbury got too expensive for the Sox so they walked away. If Yankees want to come in and saddle themselves with the contract they did, so be it. What would you have had the Sox do? Match or better the offer just to stop New York getting him? That would be absolute lunacy.

 

I have to be honest, as an outsider just new to this sport, I am stunned by how many of you are seemingly not happy. You've just won the WS, you have the best farm system in the Major Leagues, and you have a very good base already in place with extra signings to come.

 

Who cares what the Yankees do? Only care what Boston do. And for my eyes, they seem to be making some very smart plays, something I don't see, when I look at the Yankees.

 

Friend requesting you right now.

[a700hitter]

 

Who cares what the Yankees do? Only care what Boston do. And for my eyes, they seem to be making some very smart plays, something I don't see, when I look at the Yankees.

Of course what the Yankees do is highly important to the Red Sox. That's the way it is in business. You need to know what your main competitors are doing. Right now the Yankees are reacting to us. We have lost our starting CFer and catcher from our championship season and we are at risk of losing our SS and first baseman and only power threat besides Ortiz. The catching situation has been addressed, but the other issues have not been addressed.

[marklmw]

Of course what the Yankees do is highly important to the Red Sox. That's the way it is in business. You need to know what your main competitors are doing. Right now the Yankees are reacting to us. We have lost our starting CFer and catcher from our championship season and we are at risk of losing our SS and first baseman and only power threat besides Ortiz. The catching situation has been addressed, but the other issues have not been addressed.

 

Hitch makes a lot of sense and I commend him for his logic and detachment from the Yankees. However, Hitch is a new fan and had not been conditioned as many of us rightfully are by the past bad behavior of the evil empire aka NYY.

[User Name]

I've been rooting for the Red Sox ever since i was a toddler, and i could not give less of a s*** about what the Yankees do unless it directly affects the Red Sox. I want them to fail, and the Red Sox to succeed, but the only for that to happen is for the Red Sox to stick to their plan and not give in to the urge to make stupid reactionary moves like the Yankees did with Ellsbury. The Red Sox' margin of error is smaller financially wise, and they are also in a better position than the Yankees. Why f*** that up?

[a700hitter]

I'd send Webster and De La Rosa back to the Dodgers for Kemp.

[User Name]

Thank God you're not running the Red Sox.

[Bellhorn04]

Of course what the Yankees do is highly important to the Red Sox. That's the way it is in business. You need to know what your main competitors are doing.

 

No argument that the Yankees have been our main competitors at many times. But right now I think the landscape is different. There are other teams like the Rays, the Tigers, the Rangers, the A's, who are a bigger threat to take the pennant from us. And they operate much differently from the Yankees. We can't focus on the Yankees so much. Especially when there are indications that they are not being very smart.

[VA Sox Fan]

No offence fred but I think Farrell feigned shock for fans like you.

 

I've been watching and following Basbeall for less than a year, and I wasn't shocked by Ellsbury going to the Yankees. Dissapointed - sure, but not shocked.

 

You seem overly obsessed with the Yankees. I understand they are the Red Sox biggest rivals, but why are you constantly talking about "not underestimating the Yankees" and that "the fans and FO office are being blindsided by them." Nobody should give a s*** about what they are doing. You don't put together a strategy for winning, by watching what the Yankees are doing and trying to block it. You concentrate by taking care of matters at your own club.

 

The Red Sox just won a WS. Do you think they sat in the FO last year and said "Right lets see what the Yankees are doing here, because it's imperitive to us that we keep an eye on them to win this WS" - Of course they didn't. They signed the players they thought would give them the best chance. Why would they do it any other way?

 

Ellsbury got too expensive for the Sox so they walked away. If Yankees want to come in and saddle themselves with the contract they did, so be it. What would you have had the Sox do? Match or better the offer just to stop New York getting him? That would be absolute lunacy.

 

I have to be honest, as an outsider just new to this sport, I am stunned by how many of you are seemingly not happy. You've just won the WS, you have the best farm system in the Major Leagues, and you have a very good base already in place with extra signings to come.

 

Who cares what the Yankees do? Only care what Boston do. And for my eyes, they seem to be making some very smart plays, something I don't see, when I look at the Yankees.

 

Excellent post Hitch! Spot on!

 

I've been rooting for the Red Sox ever since i was a toddler, and i could not give less of a s*** about what the Yankees do unless it directly affects the Red Sox. I want them to fail, and the Red Sox to succeed, but the only for that to happen is for the Red Sox to stick to their plan and not give in to the urge to make stupid reactionary moves like the Yankees did with Ellsbury. The Red Sox' margin of error is smaller financially wise, and they are also in a better position than the Yankees. Why f*** that up?

 

You and me both UN? The O's and Rays have gotten under my skin as opponents way more than the NYY lately. F them!

[Hitch]

Friend requesting you right now.

 

Haha

 

 

 

Of course what the Yankees do is highly important to the Red Sox. That's the way it is in business. You need to know what your main competitors are doing. Right now the Yankees are reacting to us. We have lost our starting CFer and catcher from our championship season and we are at risk of losing our SS and first baseman and only power threat besides Ortiz. The catching situation has been addressed, but the other issues have not been addressed.

 

So let them react to the Sox.

 

My point is, you go about your own business. If the Sox and the Yankees are both after the same player, and both orgnaisations feel it would be hugely improtant to get that person, then sure, you're in direct competition. But if the Yankees want to overspend to get players(even FA Sox players) then so be it. You don't go trying to beat that bid, just to stop the player going there. That's reacting to the Yankees and they finished many wins behind the Sox last year.

 

There are holes that the Red Sox need filling at the moment. No question. So they will go about filling them, in a way that works best for Boston. Not for what is best in blocking a Yankess signing.

 

I understand I'm not entrenched in the Red Sox - Yankees rivalry, but being a Liverpool fan, I have an un-rational hatred of all things Manchester United(they also have far bigger spending power than us). But even so, I don't see them looking at a player and think - 'We have to get him to stop them signing him'. For me that logic is absolutely mental.

 

Sign the players that are best and work out better for your team, and the rest will take care of itself. Just like it did last year.

[SoxSport]

Seems this morning like Cano's agent, "Jay Z", is not acting in good faith with the Mariners--goes out there and ups the ante. Just an indication of how agents have corrupted MLB. Did Starbrenner get to him? Anything is possible in NY. There is simply too much money on the line.