10/26 at St Louis: World Series Game 3

[MANNYHOF24]

It's hard to fault the umps for the call. It could have gone either way. It was going to be a very tough call or non-call. I don't think the umps screwed us. We screwed ourselves.

 

You're right.

[jung]

Third is his worst base throwing.....followed by 1st and finally 2nd and he is bull headed to boot cause he refuses to stop even refusing to make judgement calls about whether he has a good shot at the runner or not. I could buy throwing on slim odds that you can get the out if a guy is a good, accurate thrower. But Salty is not which forces him into the category of thrower that must make a judgement call about those throws. Not Salty...he is cutting it loose regardless and he has all this year, all last year, as long as I have watched him.

[MANNYHOF24]

I hope John Ferrel's pigheadedness doesn't get lost in the umpire mess.

[a700hitter]

You're right.

Losing on an error is the worst. If the other team beats you, you tip your cap. If you beat yourself, it hurts so much worse.

[Jasonbay44]

Salty is awful at throwing to third base. I swear at least 30% of his throws to third base sail over into left field.

 

Its so f***ing annoying. I like Salty but the dude is a complete dipshit.

[StealBasesWinGames]

Lance Lynn tomorrow

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[User Name]

I hope John Ferrel's pigheadedness doesn't get lost in the umpire mess.

 

Farrell damn you.

[a700hitter]

After the last game, I was hoping that Salty would be sitting. Hopefully, Farrell has seen enough of his act. He seems displeased with Salty's decision. As for Drew sitting for Middlebrooks, I don't see much upside unless he gets lucky and pops one out. His ABs tonight were pathetic.

[MANNYHOF24]

Losing on an error is the worst. If the other team beats you, you tip your cap. If you beat yourself, it hurts so much worse.

 

Salty is the worst defensive catcher. I remember watching a game in the midst of the 2011 collapse at Fenway and Salty let 4 passedballs go, and made 2 throwing errorrs. I put alot of the blame of the collapse on him in my mind. It seemed like he turned a corner this year, but "bad" salty certainly has returned.

[jung]

Well as I said earlier, the other argument that should now be put to rest is the offense vs defense argument. Every defensive mistake has cost the team making it in this series and has usually cost that team dearly. Regardless of the offense which is not great on either side, you need to put your best defense behind your pitchers. That means Ross at Catcher, Drew at SS. WMB might be slightly better than XB but they are very close and that is the toughest call around the diamond I think. Nava/Gomes is another tough call but there again there are other factors that should govern the Nava/Gomes decision.

[MANNYHOF24]

Farrell damn you.

 

Wow, why haven't you called me out on this before now? I have been doing this for a f***ing month. It's like muscle memory now. Lol

[User Name]

Tomorrow's lineup should be:

 

Ellsbury

Victorino

Pedroia

Ortiz

Nava

XB

Drew

Ross

Pitcher

 

No questions asked. That is the best blend of Offense/Defense this team can put out.

[a700hitter]

Salty is the worst defensive catcher. I remember watching a game in the midst of the 2011 collapse at Fenway and Salty let 4 passedballs go, and made 2 throwing errorrs. I put alot of the blame of the collapse on him in my mind. It seemed like he turned a corner this year, but "bad" salty certainly has returned.

A stat was mentioned during tonight's broadcast that i wasn't aware of. There were more SBs against Salty this season than against any other catcher. That speaks volumes.

[User Name]

I believe it's also my turn in the mojo rotation, unless it's YOTN's. If it's my turn, i GUARANTEE a victory tomorrow.

[a700hitter]

After making that beautiful stop and throw, Pedroia must want to kick Salty in the nuts.

[a700hitter]

Jake Peavy has been a huge disappointment in post season. He put us in a hole early.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I don't want the stress or responsibility of mojo, someone else can take it. Between my life and the Sox, this has not been a good few days and the last thing I need is to be mojo-responsible in the event of a loss.

[jung]

Tomorrow's lineup should be:

 

Ellsbury

Victorino

Pedroia

Ortiz

Nava

XB

Drew

Ross

Pitcher

 

No questions asked. That is the best blend of Offense/Defense this team can put out.

 

Agreed...if Farrell does anything else at this point people will be asking that he get help for his obvious masochistic tendencies.

[User Name]

I don't want the stress or responsibility of mojo, someone else can take it. Between my life and the Sox, this has not been a good few days and the last thing I need is to be mojo-responsible in the event of a loss.

 

 

I have a special surprise to infuse my mojo for tomorrow that i am certain you will thoroughly enjoy.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

UN has the mojo tomorrow. And so it is written in the talksox archives.

[Go Sawks]

Bat Drew 9th

[a700hitter]

Like the umps said. This call usually happens at second base. IMO it doesn't happen at 3rd base, because most major league catchers can make a straight 90 foot throw. They may overthrow the fielder, but they can throw it on a straight line for 90 feet not causing entangling bodies.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I have a special surprise to infuse my mojo for tomorrow that i am certain you will thoroughly enjoy.

 

I am simultaneously intrigued and worried.

[User Name]

I am simultaneously intrigued and worried.

 

Don't worry. Be intrigued.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Couple hours after the game and it still bothers me. Didn't know Kozma was up to bat next, that hurts even more.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Jake Peavy has been a huge disappointment in post season. He put us in a hole early.

 

I have to agree with you on this. Peavy has not shown up and we really need him to. Especially with Buchholz not being able to go deep into games. Really hope this game motivates the team to kick some ass tomorrow, we really need a win.

[Carter]

Couple hours after the game and it still bothers me. Didn't know Kozma was up to bat next, that hurts even more.

Maybe his two previous AB's where he hit the ball to the track was a factor? Edited October 27, 2013 by Carter

[Whatsinaname]

Salty is mediocre at best. And while his bat has been anaemic, there is no reason to keep him in the line up.

 

You can't play Salty, Drew and Pitcher in these ******** NL games. That's 3 AB's with zero production.

[Whatsinaname]

Why didn't we load the bases to at least make the the DP an option?

 

Why did Salty throw to 3rd?

 

Why did Farrell start the 9th with Workman and have him bat?

 

So pissed off right now

 

 

…..still hurting…...

Edited October 27, 2013 by What'sinaname
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[Beaneater]

Awful decision by Salty. Yes, he had Craig dead to rights... when he got the ball. But he had to wait about half an hour for Molina to come to the tag, which negated any possibility of getting Craig at third.

 

That being said, what an unaccountably ridiculous ticky-tack call by the ump. Two guys get tangled up when four things (two men, a base, and a thrown ball) all coincide in space and time. That cannot be the end of a World Series game. No, no, no.

 

Just watched the replay about a million times. I'm not God, but here's how I interpret what I saw. Salty makes crappy throw. Middlebrooks goes down trying to snag it. He looks back -- not at Craig but to see where the ball is bouncing off to. His legs are pretty near the chalk line so he lifts them up to let Craig have the basepath. He's not aware that Craig is 2-3 feet up the second base path -- he thinks he's actually doing whatever the opposite of obstruction is.

 

Do I expect the ump to agree with me? No. Do I expect him to agree with me upon seeing it one time in real time? No. I expect him to realize that no one has actually done anything wrong and that ending a World Series game on a highly debatable obstruction call is, how you say, not a good idea.

 

Watched the replay again and am even surer than I was. Plus the fact that Craig, to my eyes, falls over the prone portion of Middlebrooks and doesn't even come in contact with the upraised legs. The umpire of course can't see that (especially since he was looking the other way!) but he has to NOT make that call.

 

Awful decision by Salty, awful call by blue. Now it's time to reverse the stupidity curse and put the next 3 games away so far that no bad calls can make any difference.