10/26 at St Louis: World Series Game 3

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Yeah, we are certainly beating ourselves with some of these plays/decisions more so than the cardinals beating us. Mistakes stop after tonight and we play crisp for the for the rest of the series. They are the cardinals this is what they rely on.. teams shooting themselves in the foot. We better play a solid game and pummel these fools tomorrow. Go get em' Bucholz. Any roster changes you see tomorrow? Salty? Drew?

If Salty plays then I'm f***ing done. Middlebrooks is about as useless as Drew so that's a push.

[Carter]

Will was not in the base path and if you ask me, Craig used Will's body to help him gain his balance and get going toward home plate and he was way inside the base path.

That's true. He did. But if Middlebrook was not there he would have used the ground....but he WAS there.

[yankees228]

I mean, it does look like WMB lifted his legs and that ended up slowing the runner down. Difficult to argue intent but the runner probably scores without that trip up.

 

The other thing here is that intent doesn't matter, which I think is smart by MLB -- keeps as much subjectivity out of it as possible.

[a700hitter]

UN? is going down a different road here, which is interesting. After much research I think WMB did interfere with Craig. UN?'s question is, did Craig interfere with WMB first.

No, that notion is just ridiculous. Has anyone ever seen interference called on a sliding runner when a fielder dove into the runner to stop an errant throw? The answer is no. After the missed throw, Craig could have run around WMB and avoided contact, but apparently, he has no obligation to avoid the contact. And if he did run around WMB and not fall, he would have been safe.

[User Name]

The other thing here is that intent doesn't matter, which I think is smart by MLB -- keeps as much subjectivity out of it as possible.

 

Craig did make contact with WMB before the ball hit the OF. Unless a better replay shows i'm wrong, then WMB may have gotten to that ball and Craig doesn't even run home.

[jung]

If the runner purposefully reaches down to use Wills body to help him regain his balance and propel himself toward home plate, that is an entirely different can of worms especially if they are both inside the base path and the runner purposefully chooses that path so that he can use the fallen body of the other player to help him regain his balance and propel him forward. They are both inside the base path. Craig did not have his balance until he used Will's body to regain it.

 

Frankly that call begged for a no call if anything especially since the game swung on it.

[yankees228]

No, that notion is just ridiculous. Has anyone ever seen interference called on a sliding runner when a fielder dove into the runner to stop an errant throw? The answer is no. After the missed throw, Craig could have run around WMB and avoided contact, but apparently, he has no obligation to avoid the contact. And if he did run around WMB and not fall, he would have been safe.

 

I agree. But I also don't fault Craig for not running around him. In the heat of the moment he might not have even been aware of where WMB was, and he wanted to take a straight line to home.

[a700hitter]

I mean, it does look like WMB lifted his legs and that ended up slowing the runner down. Difficult to argue intent but the runner probably scores without that trip up.

When Craig tripped, WMB had his legs flat at that point. As someone else said, the rule doesn't require intent. It's a s***** way for the game to end. It's always s***** when a game ends on an error.

[yankees228]

If the runner purposefully reaches down to use Wills body to help him regain his balance and propel himself toward home plate, that is an entirely different can of worms especially if they are both inside the base path and the runner purposefully chooses that path so that he can use the fallen body of the other player to help him regain his balance and propel him forward. They are both inside the base path. Craig did not have his balance until he used Will's body to regain it.

 

Frankly that call begged for a no call if anything especially since the game swung on it.

 

In my opinion the replay doesn't show Craig doing that, at least not until after the tripped.

[yankees228]

When Craig tripped, WMB had his legs flat at that point. As someone else said, the rule doesn't require intent. It's a s***** way for the game to end. It's always s***** when a game ends on an error.

 

Awful way for a game to end. I really do feel for you guys.

[MANNYHOF24]

Craig has to go back and touch third base if he makes a move towards second base. WHICH HE DID. So if he had done that he would not have collided with WMB.

[yeszir]

Anyways, Salty sucks.

[jung]

In my opinion the replay doesn't show Craig doing that, at least not until after the tripped.

 

Look again...I think Craig's hands contact Will's back a split second before Craigs legs hit Will's feet.

[Carter]

Craig did make contact with WMB before the ball hit the OF. Unless a better replay shows i'm wrong, then WMB may have gotten to that ball and Craig doesn't even run home.

That is also true. There was contact. Mid had one foot in the baseline without the ball. It was a simple slide to 3rd. Craig broke no rules that I can see.

[yankees228]

Look again...I think Craig's hands contact Will's back a split second before Craigs legs hit Will's feet.

 

Will do.

[User Name]

Look again...I think Craig's hands contact Will's back a split second before Craigs legs hit Will's feet.

 

If this is true, then he directly affected WMB's ability to field the ball.

[a700hitter]

If the runner purposefully reaches down to use Wills body to help him regain his balance and propel himself toward home plate, that is an entirely different can of worms especially if they are both inside the base path and the runner purposefully chooses that path so that he can use the fallen body of the other player to help him regain his balance and propel him forward. They are both inside the base path. Craig did not have his balance until he used Will's body to regain it.

 

Frankly that call begged for a no call if anything especially since the game swung on it.

This may be the best argument for a no call. If WMB had not been there, Craig would have taken longer to regain his balance. He was stumbling to get up. He used WMB to regain his balance and then tripped over him drawing the call.

 

As I keep watching the replay, Salty had zero chance at getting the out at 3rd even if the throw was on the mark. Just an idiotic throw there. I give Farrell some of the blame, because Salty should have been sitting after 2 bad misplays in game 2.

[NOATHLETESALLOWED]

What MLB should really do is allow injured geriatric players who can hit but shouldn't be running the bases to have instant running relief right out of the batters box, without being lifted from the game. That would allow players like Papi to push Jamie Moyer status. You could call them ghost runners, and they could wear full body suits and masks with duplicates of the hitting player's uniform. Edited October 27, 2013 by NOATHLETESALLOWED

[NOATHLETESALLOWED]

There should be something that holds oblivious baserunners accountable...

[User Name]

I am in actual physical pain over the outcome of this game. I have a massive headache and insufferable heartburn.

[yeszir]

Everyone can interpret the play through whatever color glasses they want. The only thing we know for sure is that the Red Sox should never ever ever attempt to make a play at 3rd again.

[User Name]

If the Red Sox re-sign Salty, i will not watch a single inning of Red Sox baseball next year. Not.One.Inning.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

If the Red Sox re-sign Salty, i will not watch a single inning of Red Sox baseball next year. Not.One.Inning.

I'll become a Rangers fan.

[MANNYHOF24]

Everyone can interpret the play through whatever color glasses they want. The only thing we know for sure is that the Red Sox should never ever ever attempt to make a play at 3rd again.

 

Yeah.... but it did happen though, and we did possibly get screwed. We can't look at what shouldn't have happened. We can only disect the facts of what acctually occured.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Farrell's gonna roll with his exact same binkies for game 4. Please, Ben, please take his toys away in 2014.

[User Name]

Yeah.... but it did happen though, and we did possibly get screwed. We can't look at what shouldn't have happened. We can only disect the facts of what acctually occured.

 

Yes, and what actually occurred is that Salty is a gigantic f***ing idiot.

 

I know that doesn't even make sense, but i wanna strangle that dumbass with his own greasy stupid hair. Goddamn.

[MANNYHOF24]

Salty is awful at throwing to third base. I swear at least 30% of his throws to third base sail over into left field.

[NOATHLETESALLOWED]

Is this a world series or bust team? Is there any team building element whatsoever to this season?

[MANNYHOF24]

Yeah.... but it did happen though, and we did possibly get screwed. We can't look at what shouldn't have happened. We can only disect the facts of what acctually occured.

 

We can obviously look at what shouldn't have happened. I guess what I meant to say is that, it's what did happen and it could have turned out different had a different call been made. So it hurts. Saltys throw hurts. John Ferrel's horrible in game skills hurt. It all hurts! God Damn

[a700hitter]

Yeah.... but it did happen though, and we did possibly get screwed. We can't look at what shouldn't have happened. We can only disect the facts of what acctually occured.

It's hard to fault the umps for the call. It could have gone either way. It was going to be a very tough call or non-call. I don't think the umps screwed us. We screwed ourselves.