9/4 vs Tigers

[sk7326]

Thats a stretch though...Farrell has used Workman in some very tough spots...I am not convinced that Dempster could handle the relief spots that Farrell has tossed Workman into. I can see Morales competing with Thornton for one spot but I can't see the three of them competing for two spots.

 

I am more confident in Dempster - he's closed and the strikeout rate has been solid all season. He has had issues turning over a lineup, but his stuff has been swing and miss this year and the fastball will play up a little with the job change. I figure Workman is safe as the second righty too - though more looks and more "unplanned" chances does not hurt. Morales v Thornton is probably the actual decision for the staff.

[jung]

I am more confident in Dempster - he's closed and the strikeout rate has been solid all season. He has had issues turning over a lineup, but his stuff has been swing and miss this year and the fastball will play up a little with the job change. I figure Workman is safe as the second righty too - though more looks and more "unplanned" chances does not hurt. Morales v Thornton is probably the actual decision for the staff.

 

Yea I agree with that. My problem with dempster is that all of his swing and miss stuff is down in the zone. If he is up at all he is meat and he is often inexplicably up in the zone. I would be OK bringing him into clean innings as the first RH option out of the pen but I would not ask him to put out a fire. He could easily turn a fire into a conflagration in one pitch.

[Station 13]

Rubby too much contact dude. That's a HR everywhere.

[BornToRun]

Beatdown complete

[Youk Of The Nation]

Thanks for coming, Detroit. At least you have a beautiful city to go back t-oh.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Thanks for coming, Detroit. At least you have a beautiful city to go back t-oh.

 

lmaoo

[a700hitter]

Thanks for coming, Detroit. At least you have a beautiful city to go back t-oh.

Say what you want, but Detroit has no traffic problems.

[Orange Juiced]

Hey I just got here. Did I miss anything?

[sk7326]

Hey I just got here. Did I miss anything?

 

Gostkowski yanked an extra point after the 3rd touchdown

[SoxSport]

Dempster's WHIP is almost 1.5. That's a sign he's getting hit and walking guys. He's a liability at a time when every win is important. He was Cubs closer for several years, but that was a while ago, and he doesn't have the same heat anymore. Maybe his experience will carry in the BP, but that's where he belongs in September and the playoffs.

[jung]

Dempster's WHIP is almost 1.5. That's a sign he's getting hit and walking guys. He's a liability at a time when every win is important. He was Cubs closer for several years, but that was a while ago, and he doesn't have the same heat anymore. Maybe his experience will carry in the BP, but that's where he belongs in September and the playoffs.

 

Actually that would be a good reason to try to get demps over to the pen ASAP...he is definitely going to be on the post season roster. But maybe it would be good for Farrell to get a look at demps in certain relief situations more than any of the the other guys who he has already seen.

[Bellhorn04]

Dempster's WHIP is almost 1.5. That's a sign he's getting hit and walking guys.

 

One of the very first signs.

[SoxSport]

Yea I agree with that. My problem with dempster is that all of his swing and miss stuff is down in the zone. If he is up at all he is meat and he is often inexplicably up in the zone. I would be OK bringing him into clean innings as the first RH option out of the pen but I would not ask him to put out a fire. He could easily turn a fire into a conflagration in one pitch.

 

Dempster is a guy you would like to see on the DL with a pinched nerve in his neck. They have a number of younger guys who are better right now.

[SoxSport]

Actually that would be a good reason to try to get demps over to the pen ASAP...he is definitely going to be on the post season roster. But maybe it would be good for Farrell to get a look at demps in certain relief situations more than any of the the other guys who he has already seen.

 

Sure... but they are reluctant to move guys between starter and reliever. In my view, a weakness.

Dempster could make a good reliever if given the chance.

[sk7326]

Dempster's WHIP is almost 1.5. That's a sign he's getting hit and walking guys. He's a liability at a time when every win is important. He was Cubs closer for several years, but that was a while ago, and he doesn't have the same heat anymore. Maybe his experience will carry in the BP, but that's where he belongs in September and the playoffs.

 

He has been striking guys out at a good rate too - and (just going from my hazy memory) the first time through the order he has been pretty solid - it's the other stuff that has been wobbly. The fastball will play up in the pen ... I think for 6 outs at a time in a situation where he can focus on fastball-splitter he can be an asset late in the season.

[User Name]

Sure... but they are reluctant to move guys between starter and reliever. In my view, a weakness.

Dempster could make a good reliever if given the chance.

 

Yet Brandon Workman and RDLR are in the bullpen. Please stop.

[sk7326]

Dempster is a guy you would like to see on the DL with a pinched nerve in his neck. They have a number of younger guys who are better right now.

 

I think if De La Rosa had shown he could be the "other" short righty out of the pen to go with Tazawa, this would have been a more interesting discussion. But Workman has clearly won that battle - so it becomes "who is the multi-inning reliever". Dempster is really the only solid choice left.

[BigPapi]

I like what wake said about dempster. Just pitch better than the other guy each night. Of course dempster didnt pitch well overall tonight and had we lost, he would have taken a lot of heat, but at least he pitched better than the other guy. That said, move him to the pen. Use him for long relief more instead of franklin and with brandon workman for spot starts.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I like what wake said about dempster. Just pitch better than the other guy each night. Of course dempster didnt pitch well overall tonight and had we lost, he would have taken a lot of heat, but at least he pitched better than the other guy. That said, move him to the pen. Use him for long relief more instead of franklin and with brandon workman for spot starts.

 

Your luck with Napoli not getting 3 hits has to end eventually.

Edited September 5, 2013 by RedSoxfanforlife305

[BigPapi]

You're luck with Napoli not getting 3 hits has to end eventually.

 

 

Hahahaha we'll see. He got two hits early a couple games ago. Thought you were gonna get me.

[Youk Of The Nation]

The bet includes the postseason, right?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Good question, not really sure. It should count, but if bigpapi doesn't feel like that's fair, we can do only regular season.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Wow, I just checked the final score and fell on my ass laughing. The hell happened over there?

[Thunder]

Wow, I just checked the final score and fell on my ass laughing. The hell happened over there?

 

There was an occasional bomb mixed between 27 outs.

[Orange Juiced]

Dempster is a guy you would like to see on the DL with a pinched nerve in his neck. They have a number of younger guys who are better right now.

 

I'm glad Dempster won't pitch against the Yankees this weekend.

[Palodios]

Also another thing about Workman mopping up here ...

 

You figure that Farrell will go with 10 pitchers for the playoff roster. You have your Top 4 starters and Dempster moving into the swing spot. That leaves 5 relief spots. Brelow, Tazawa, Uehara are locks. Workman, Morales, Thornton are probably "competing" for 2 spots. I think Farrell will take the time here to get as many looks at all three guys as makes sense.

 

You left out Buchholz.

[sk7326]

You left out Buchholz.

 

I did - for now. Until Buchholz shows he's ready to go - it is a fair assessment. That said, if Buchholz is healthy and there is no WC to worry about ... I would leave off Dempster and move Doubront into the swing position. While he has been good, he is the least reliable of their rotation guys, and his stuff could be absolutely nasty in 30-40 pitch bursts.

[VA Sox Fan]

Pitching matchups for the Yankees series

 

Posted by Peter Abraham, Globe Staff September 5, 2013 08:45 AM

 

 

Thursday: RHP Jake Peavy (11-5, 3.91) vs. RHP Ivan Nova (8-4, 2.88), 7:05 p.m., NESN, YES, MLB Network.

 

Friday: LHP Felix Doubront (10-6 3.89) vs. LHP Andy Pettitte (10-9, 4.01), 7:05 p.m., NESN, YES, MLB Network.

 

Saturday: RHP John Lackey (8-12 3.22) vs. LHP David Huff (2-0, 3.32), 1:05 p.m., FOX.

 

Sunday: LHP Jon Lester (13-8 3.88) vs. RHP Hiroki Kuroda (11-10, 2.99), 1:05 p.m., NESN, YES, TBS.

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So glad the Sunday game isn't the ESPN 8pm game!!!

[mvp 78]

I did - for now. Until Buchholz shows he's ready to go - it is a fair assessment. That said, if Buchholz is healthy and there is no WC to worry about ... I would leave off Dempster and move Doubront into the swing position. While he has been good, he is the least reliable of their rotation guys, and his stuff could be absolutely nasty in 30-40 pitch bursts.

 

I'd rather have Doubront start than Buchholz right now. There's no telling what Buchholz will be like when he finally starts a game next weekend. After 3 starts, we might know a little bit, but I'd feel more comfortable if he was in the pen during the first round.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I'd rather have Doubront start than Buchholz right now. There's no telling what Buchholz will be like when he finally starts a game next weekend. After 3 starts, we might know a little bit, but I'd feel more comfortable if he was in the pen during the first round.

 

A mediocre Buchholz is more reliable than Doubront at any point. Doubront could go 7 IP, 1 ER or could go 3.1 IP, 4 ER and 108 pitches.

 

Give me Buch over Doubront. Until Doubront can show consistency in his pitch efficiency, I'm going with the known commodity.