Trades before the deadline?

[Orange Juiced]

If they give up Xander, then the Phillies have to eat $35 million of the $75 million.

 

I don't care about the money. I care about not giving up Bogaerts or Bradley.

[BornToRun]

Geez, I'd rather eat all the money and not give up JBJ. I could live with Cecchini and Barnes plus a lesser 3rd guy if we take on all the $$. But JBJ needs to be here to replace Ellsbury. I just can't see Boston taking on $25m of Cliff Lee and then adding $18m of Jacoby Ellsbury.

 

That package would be a no go for me even if we got Philly to eat a big chunk of the money.

 

I really am not willing to pick up Lee if it costs are more than what would amount to BC completely fleecing Amaro.

[SoxFanForsyth]

That package would be a no go for me even if we got Philly to eat a big chunk of the money.

 

I really am not willing to pick up Lee if it costs are more than what would amount to BC completely fleecing Amaro.

 

This is silly. Having Lee - Buch - Lester as your 1-2-3 would give you a huge potential to make a WS run.

[MNSoxChief102]

Young and Lee? There would have to be a ridiculous haul going back to Philly to get a deal like that done. Any trade that involves Bogaerts is a non-starter for me. He would seemingly have to be in play to get both Young and Lee in return and Benny should hang up the phone and roll with what we've got if that's the case.

[MJantomaso]

Rosenthal just tweeted me. I called him a f***ing idiot. He called me a potty mouth.

[User Name]

My head's gonna f***in explode if we trade Bogaerts or Bradley. Even if it's for Lee. I respect Cliff Lee and think he's an amazing pitcher but these two guys can be big time players for us for years to come, especially Bogaerts in my opinion. Cherington better not do it.

[BornToRun]

This is silly. Having Lee - Buch - Lester as your 1-2-3 would give you a huge potential to make a WS run.

 

It's just that we got bailed out by LA last year and have a really great future with all of our minor league talent and I don't want to weaken our farm for Cliff Lee, especially when you see how high the price is reported to be.

 

I'd prefer to hang on to Garin, Bradley, Xander, Webster, Owens, and Barnes.

 

The guys I'd be willing to let go are Ranaudo, WMB, Iggy, or Marrero types. I know that this wouldn't be enough which is why I'm fine with taken on all of the money if it means holding on to our prospects.

[BornToRun]

Rosenthal just tweeted me. I called him a f***ing idiot. He called me a potty mouth.

I'd say you won that exchange.

[italstallianion]

This is silly. Having Lee - Buch - Lester as your 1-2-3 would give you a huge potential to make a WS run.

 

I agree. I wouldn't give up Bogaerts unless Philly eats all of the money, but I'd give up Bradley or Cecchini with one of those top arms (Ranaudo/Barnes/Webster/RDLR/Owens) and a non top 10 prospect like Wilson/Britton/Brentz (if he weren't injured)/Marrero/Workman. I guess I'd include Middlebrooks if I'm including Bradley instead of Cecchini.

 

That'd be the most I offer, and that'd be ONLY if Philly eats at least a quarter of Lee's salary, I'd ask for half. If I'm paying for all of Lee's salary then I don't give up any of our top 10 prospects. They can have Middlebrooks/Workman/Wilson at most.

[italstallianion]

I'd say you won that exchange.

 

A new challenger has joined the fight.

 

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Tag me in! Tag me in!

[italstallianion]

Rosenthal just tweeted me. I called him a f***ing idiot. He called me a potty mouth.

 

It doesn't appear to be on his page. Not that I see anyways.

[BornToRun]

I agree. I wouldn't give up Bogaerts unless Philly eats all of the money, but I'd give up Bradley or Cecchini with one of those top arms (Ranaudo/Barnes/Webster/RDLR/Owens) and a non top 10 prospect like Wilson/Britton/Brentz (if he weren't injured)/Marrero/Workman. I guess I'd include Middlebrooks if I'm including Bradley instead of Cecchini.

 

That'd be the most I offer, and that'd be ONLY if Philly eats at least a quarter of Lee's salary, I'd ask for half. If I'm paying for all of Lee's salary then I don't give up any of our top 10 prospects. They can have Middlebrooks/Workman/Wilson at most.

I favor the bottom scenario. We have money to spend thanks to the generosity of the Dodgers. We've spent a long time building up an awesome farm and I'd hate to see it get too depleted.

 

That's why I'm all in favor of eating the lion's share of the cash and then giving Philly their choice of the WMB, Workman types.

[MNSoxChief102]

I agree. The Phillies obviously want top talent back in return to justify trading away their ace, but at the same time they can't expect the Sox to eat a ton of money along with giving up their future in prospects. It's one or the other really. And for my money, I think the Sox would be wise to take on salary in exchange for a more reasonable prospect package going back to Philly.

 

WMB and Renaudo would be the start of a package for me. Webster would be ok too. Maybe Barnes if it came to it, but JBJ, Bogey, and Owens should be off-limits IMO.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Rich Smith @ALLsportsINTEL

 

MLB - Phillies Source - Phillies have asked Cliff Lee if he would waive his no trade clause if a deal could be reached with Red Sox.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I would hesitantly trade JBJ if it was a deal breaker.

 

The Phillies have called up their 3B prospect, indicating Young has been dealt. Combine that with the fact that the Phillies have asked if Lee would waive his NTC to the Sox, and this may be happening.

[SoxSport]

I think Cafardo may be wrong here.

 

I've heard a lot of reports of Cecchini, Bradley, and Barnes. The hold up in the deal is the money, where the Sox want the Phillies to eat 1/2 of Lee's remaining salary, and they're currently negotiating.

 

https://twitter.com/ALLsportsINTEL

 

Based on the tweets I've read, this guy seems pretty plugged in.

 

I haven't been getting his recent tweets today. This guy either is very creative or he has a mole in the Phillies organization feeding him stuff nobody else is getting. It would make sense they are focusing on Lee and Young. They have so many pieces they can deal it seems they should be able to work something out. Hate to deal Bradley. But maybe they are content to keep Ellsbury and are stuck with Vic for 3 years.

[MNSoxChief102]

If the Phillies are even discussing the no-trade waiver with Lee, I'd say a deal is reasonably close. Not done by any means, but close enough that it warrants a convo with Lee to be sure before moving forward.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I haven't been getting his recent tweets today. This guy either is very creative or he has a mole in the Phillies organization feeding him stuff nobody else is getting. It would make sense they are focusing on Lee and Young. They have so many pieces they can deal it seems they should be able to work something out. Hate to deal Bradley. But maybe they are content to keep Ellsbury and are stuck with Vic for 3 years.

 

Well he's been extremely fast on the Phillies stuff, but also has had a lot of insight on other items (first to report Bud Norris scratched on my twitter feed), and reporting it's likely a deal with the Pirates, which he's the only one reporting that. I am very hesitant to believe much of what he says because he's not really well known, but everything he's tweeting appears legit.

[SoxFanForsyth]

UPDATE: Cliff Lee has agreed to waive no trade clause if deal with Red Sox can be met.

[BornToRun]

I agree. The Phillies obviously want top talent back in return to justify trading away their ace, but at the same time they can't expect the Sox to eat a ton of money along with giving up their future in prospects. It's one or the other really. And for my money, I think the Sox would be wise to take on salary in exchange for a more reasonable prospect package going back to Philly.

 

WMB and Renaudo would be the start of a package for me. Webster would be ok too. Maybe Barnes if it came to it, but JBJ, Bogey, and Owens should be off-limits IMO.

I'd be okay with Ranaudo.

 

Any 3 of Ranaudo, Marrero, WMB, Workman, Brentz would be A-OK with me.

[italstallianion]

Brentz is out for the year so it's unlikely he gets traded.

[MNSoxChief102]

Yep. He'd have to be a PTBNL to be included I think.

[BornToRun]

Brentz is out for the year so it's unlikely he gets traded.

 

f***. Forgot about that.

[MNSoxChief102]

The question is whether a deal like that gets it done, even if the Sox offer to take on all the money. I'd say no. Philly isn't exactly strapped for cash and aren't motivated to move Lee for monetary concerns. They want to rebuild quickly with top shelf talent and trading away Lee now is the easiest way to do that.

 

I'd say that a deal would almost have to include Barnes to get done, as he projects as a top line starter down the road, and then have WMB and Ranaudo behind him. Not saying I necessarily like that deal, but that seems to be the minimum I can see Philly accepting.

[sk7326]

Rosenthal piece advising Boegarts for Lee comparing it to HanRam for Beckett is fairly silly. Beckett was ten years younger. Lee's deal is much more questionable, even if you don't question that he will keep adding value (and I think he will). Personally IF Cecchini OR (not and) Owens were being discussed, I'd at least not hang up. Cecchini has a great future, but Lee is the sort of blue chipper that would make dealing him at least arguably worth it. Owens just has that risk that comes with ANY prospect pitcher who's not at AA yet - it's a gamble to let him go, it's a gamble to bet on his major league potential.

 

Boegarts is clearly untouchable - a guy who is conquering AAA as a 20 year old is (barring injury) almost a sure thing as a quality big and perhaps much more. Yes prospects are all "risky", but like in high school, the guys who you expect huge things from are not kids who crush JV, but the 14 year old who can hang on the varsity. That is Boegarts, these guys rarely miss. Also, I consider him the Sox' best option for a righty bat down the stretch.

[italstallianion]

I assume you're being extremely polite when you say "fairly silly"

 

It's ok, nobody is going to judge you for saying Rosenthal's piece is "f***ing retarded"

[BornToRun]

I definitely agree with all sentiment that says Xander or JBJ are total nonstarters.

[MNSoxChief102]

I assume you're being extremely polite when you say "fairly silly"

 

It's ok, nobody is going to judge you for saying Rosenthal's piece is "f***ing retarded"

 

Haha

 

Hell... saying it's f***ing retarded is pretty polite in my book.

[italstallianion]

Yeah but you can only say so much before his feelings get hurt and he blocks you on twitter.

[Bellhorn04]

Of course Rosenthal may have just written this to make a splash. He may not even believe it. I highly doubt that Dan Shaughnessy believes all the crazy s*** he writes.