Hanrahan's Injury

[iortiz]

A good article analyzing the cost of replacing Papelbon:

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2013/05/the_rising_cost.html

 

Pretty much a resume of what we have been saying. Letting Papelbon walk has brought us tons of collateral damages.

[Station 13]

They knew what they were getting in Baily, a 'big' if he can stay off the DL. Everybody saw this coming. Now he is on another DL stint. I would not trust him any longer to fill the role for the long term.

[SoxSport]

They knew what they were getting in Baily, a 'big' if he can stay off the DL. Everybody saw this coming. Now he is on another DL stint. I would not trust him any longer to fill the role for the long term.

 

yeah. He's an injury freak. There are a number of those in baseball, and you should avoid them. They got rid of Lawrie because of that, and now they have another. Cherington made the deal under duress--he was told to hold the line on spending, so he thought himself very clever to move cheap Bard to starter and trade for cheap Bailey. The rest is history. Bailey stubs his thumb, and misses almost the whole season. So next year, he goes out and gets Hanrahan, figuring two closers is better than one. Except now he's paying big bucks for two guys, where previously he had cheap Bard (when he was good) and Pap for about the same total bucks. And Hanrahan is probably done as a Red Sox. And Bailey remains iffy with arm problems.

 

I think the killer was moving Bard to starter. That took him off the board as closer, and it backfired completely. Cherington resisted the manager who wanted Bard in the BP, and you know what happened.

 

Moving Bard to starter triggered these two moves for Bailey and Hanrahan. It was a disaster.

[redsoxfan3]

They knew what they were getting in Baily, a 'big' if he can stay off the DL. Everybody saw this coming. Now he is on another DL stint. I would not trust him any longer to fill the role for the long term.

 

The good news is that Bailey may not be gone for too much longer. He is supposed to start throwing off the mound within the next couple days. The bad news is that he always seems to find a way to get on the DL. We really need to count on Bailey to stay healthy. I think Tazawa does not have enough experience in the pressure filled closing role, so we do not really know what to expect from him. Yesterday, he wasn't even in for a closing situation and gave up the game winning home run.

 

I do agree with you about not trusting him to fill the role for the long-term. I hope I am wrong and that he can get back from this DL stint and have a solid year. Also, Morales is not too far away from coming back as well.

[SoxSport]

Yesterday was a classic Red Sox mishandling of pitching. Taking a quality starter out after just 101 pitchers in a tie game. You wouldn't expect that from Farrell, who has done an excellent job reviving Lester and Buchholz this year. But lately he has fallen into the trap of overworking the bullpen--especially Tazawa and Uehara. Pitching those two guys in Texas down 8-1 and even 5-1 the next night was a mistake--he did not have them when he needed them in closer games the next few. And the one inning per appearance bit is a killer--guaranteed burnout. Too many BP heatups. Tazawa is already showing signs of being overpitched.

 

The solution is to keep those starter pitchcounts at 110-120 pitches in quality starts. Get the extra inning out of them. And have long relievers ready to take over when a starter doesn't have it on a given day. get him out before the game is lost. Long relievers are a lost art in baseball. Used to be reserved for starters coming off the DL and young guys trying to crack the rotation.

 

Yesterday, Bumgarner went 112 pitches and Darvish 117 pitches in wins. Buchholz goes 101 pitches and Red Sox lose on the pitcher change. That says it all.

[italstallianion]

While I do agree that they are generally overworked, especially the two Japanese pitchers, Tazawa had last been used on Wednesday. Dempster, Lackey, Lester, and Buchholz had done a good job recently of eating innings. They have to keep it up and hope that some relievers come back strong so it's not just Uehara/Tazawa that are reliable.

 

And if we can find a 5th starter that can get some outs without walking the ballpark, then our bullpen should be in good shape going forward, especially with Morales coming back.

[mvp 78]

Pretty much a resume of what we have been saying. Letting Papelbon walk has brought us tons of collateral damages.

 

I think you mean synopsis?

[a700hitter]

They are treating Bailey with kid gloves. I think they are on pins and needles about him staying healthy. He hasn't even thrown off a mound yet. He has been tossing on flat ground and moving back 20 feet each session. They want to get him to 150 feet before the get him up on a mound. It could be a while before he is back closing. We should have quite a few late inning horror shows before he is back. IMO, they should look to get a healthy closer. If Bailey returns, he would be a nice set up guy. If not, they still have Uehara and Tazawa for the 8th.

[iortiz]

I think you mean synopsis?

 

Exactly.

 

Resume is like curriculum right? My bad

[mvp 78]

Resume is like curriculum right?

 

No.

[Behindenemylines]

Bad formula working here. Sox trade for closer, closer gets hurt and is out for the year. Happened last year with Bailey and now Hanrahan. We went from too many closers to none. Not good. We are only as good as our pitching.

[User Name]

Hanrahan had bone spurs removed today, and they ended up having to do TJS on him as well, like many expected.

[dupree]

Any ideas on if the Sox will go out and get one more arm for the pen?

 

To my knowledge Brian Wilson is still out there... if hes anywhere close to healthy i would hope Cherrington will go after him.

[RedSoxNC84]

One word describes this whole scenario: LOL

[RedSoxNC84]

Something else funny about this. Melancon was terrible here, he goes to Pittsburgh and is just killing it over there. We get Hanrahan and he basically gets killed.

[jung]

Sounds like it is just another example of the dif between pitching in the AL and pitching in the NL

[User Name]

Something else funny about this. Melancon was terrible here, he goes to Pittsburgh and is just killing it over there. We get Hanrahan and he basically gets killed.

 

Hanrahan was injured though, as evidenced by the fact that he had not one, but two procedures on his elbow. Maaaaaaaay have had something to do with it.

[RedSoxNC84]

Hanrahan was injured though, as evidenced by the fact that he had not one, but two procedures on his elbow. Maaaaaaaay have had something to do with it.

 

Yeah I understand that, just a funny point.

 

Also, Joel Hanrahan is the 2013 Bobby Jenks.

[Thunder]

Yeah I understand that, just a funny point.

 

Also, Joel Hanrahan is the 2013 Bobby Jenks.

 

Definitely. Same build.

What concerns me though is that he'll just end up being another waste of money like the guys the Sox cleared out to the Dodgers.

[RedSoxNC84]

Definitely. Same build.

What concerns me though is that he'll just end up being another waste of money like the guys the Sox cleared out to the Dodgers.

 

s*** happens I guess... Let's just hope the BP holds up.

[Thunder]

s*** happens I guess... Let's just hope the BP holds up.

 

Yeah, that's the key.

[italstallianion]

I wish we could make Hanrahan pay back the prorated part of his contract (minus the medical costs for his injury) so we can use that either to take on salary via trade or to pay the salary increase a replacement would get to come up from AAA to the MLB. It's one thing to suck, but it's another thing to suck and not play. Complete waste of $7M.

[BSN07]

Definitely. Same build.

What concerns me though is that he'll just end up being another waste of money like the guys the Sox cleared out to the Dodgers.

 

He's not even comparable to those guys. He only makes 7M and he's a free agent after the season. Yes it hurts the Sox he's not healthy and producing. But he's replaceable and it's not like he's making 20% of the payroll or something.

[BSN07]

I wish we could make Hanrahan pay back the prorated part of his contract (minus the medical costs for his injury) so we can use that either to take on salary via trade or to pay the salary increase a replacement would get to come up from AAA to the MLB. It's one thing to suck, but it's another thing to suck and not play. Complete waste of $7M.

 

The LT for this season shouldn't be an issue anymore. I believed that is tallied in April or early May. Regardless if the team decides it needs some players to round off the team come July, I don't think a few million for a RP or what not is going to scare them off imo.

[a700hitter]

At least we didn't have Hanrahan under contract for 2 years like we did with that fat pig Jenks. I was at Jenks last game. It was at Yankee stadium. He got winded during his warmup tosses. I don't remember if the fat load even througfh any pitches.

[Behindenemylines]

Something else funny about this. Melancon was terrible here, he goes to Pittsburgh and is just killing it over there. We get Hanrahan and he basically gets killed.

 

Thats the difference of pitching in the National League compared to the AL East.