Shoring Up the Rotation

[seabeachfred]

How many teams think they can seriously compete at this time of the season? I think 12 can be classified as sellers. It should be 14, but the Angels and Dodgers aren't going to sell. The Dodgers will probably land Cliff Lee for the rest of their farm system, and still miss the playoffs.

 

The Marlins, Astros, Brewers, Blue Jays, Mariners, Mets, White Sox, Phillies, Royals, Twins, Padres, and Cubs are not going to compete for anything. The Blue Jays bet big with a bad hand, so they might be committed to see things out, and the Royals bet big with an even worse hand. It's a shame, because they could make some of the better pitchers available. It would be interesting to see what they could fetch for Dickey, but they probably won't trade him. The Royals could try to salvage something out of the Shields trade, but also doubtful. The rest of the potential sellers, with the exception of Cliff Lee, don't have any front line starters. They have some interesting depth options though.

 

The Astros, Brewers, Padres, and Mariners have no one anyone wants. The Marlins will probably trade Nolasco and Slowey. The Mets could make Marcum available. The White Sox have Peavy and Floyd. The Twins have Kevin Correia. The Cubs have the most to offer in Garza, Feldman, and Villanueva.

 

Those are probably the options that we are looking at. Lee will cost too much in prospects and money. I would see what it would take to land Peavy. He pitches pretty well in the AL and in a bandbox. He's cheaper than Lee, and we'd control him for two more years. He's also a better third option in the postseason than Lackey. If that falls through, I'd look at renting Garza, Feldman, or Marcum.

 

I still can't help feeling that we need another dependable starter for our rotation. Admitting that Lackey, Doubrant and Dempster pitched better the last time out, the fact is that it looks like Lester has hit a skid and we don't know how dependable the other three are going to be. In this game you win with starting pitching and I would think Cherington will be keeping his eye out for someone like this who can help him. I'll tell him and all of you who my man is......Garza!!!!!!

[BSN07]

I still can't help feeling that we need another dependable starter for our rotation. Admitting that Lackey, Doubrant and Dempster pitched better the last time out, the fact is that it looks like Lester has hit a skid and we don't know how dependable the other three are going to be. In this game you win with starting pitching and I would think Cherington will be keeping his eye out for someone like this who can help him. I'll tell him and all of you who my man is......Garza!!!!!!

 

I think for the season they can go with what they have(although I'm not opposed to them going and getting someone if it doesn't involve certain prospects) right now. But with enough injury history and young guys hitting limits late in the season I can understand why some feel the team needs to add someone.

 

I'm not really interested in Garza at all if it means any good prospects going back to Chicago. I honestly think he stays in Chicago the whole season and accepts a qualifying offer to rebuild his value or Chicago lets him walk and collects a pick(it's not out of the realm of possibility some team gives him a multi year offer). Point being they probably can get more holding onto him this year then trading him. Someone is gonna have to be pretty desperate to send any good prospects to ChC for a guy thats been injured for almost a year.

[SoxSport]

Dempster is the weak spot in the rotation. I'm not convinced he can pitch in the AL at this point--except against NL teams. And they are pretty much stuck with him--with his contract and at his age. Unless they can deal him to the NL.

[Orange Juiced]

I still can't help feeling that we need another dependable starter for our rotation. Admitting that Lackey, Doubrant and Dempster pitched better the last time out, the fact is that it looks like Lester has hit a skid and we don't know how dependable the other three are going to be. In this game you win with starting pitching and I would think Cherington will be keeping his eye out for someone like this who can help him. I'll tell him and all of you who my man is......Garza!!!!!!

 

Lester:

 

1st 9 games: 59.2 ip, 6-0, 2.72 era, .576 ops, 1.00 whip, 7.5 k/9

last 3 games: 19.1 ip, 0-2, 6.05 era, .808 ops, 1.60 whip, 7.0 k/9

 

So yeah, a little slide for sure. I think he'll right the ship and be just fine.

[BornToRun]

Lester:

 

1st 9 games: 59.2 ip, 6-0, 2.72 era, .576 ops, 1.00 whip, 7.5 k/9

last 3 games: 19.1 ip, 0-2, 6.05 era, .808 ops, 1.60 whip, 7.0 k/9

 

So yeah, a little slide for sure. I think he'll right the ship and be just fine.

 

Yeah he's hit a rough spot but isn't like he's gotten lit up either. A couple of those starts were of the 6/7 inning, 4 ER variety which makes the ERA uglier but isn't all that awful. He'll be fine.

[Orange Juiced]

Tidbit on Cliff Lee from rotoworld (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/3565/cliff-lee):

 

"FOX Sports' Jon Paul Morosi reports that the Yankees, Red Sox, and Rangers are among the 20 teams on Cliff Lee's no-trade list.

Lee reset the list of clubs before this season and most of them are projected as trade deadline "buyers." Of course, that a team is on the no-trade list doesn't rule out the possibility of a deal getting done, but it gives the southpaw more leverage. With the Phillies under .500, he should be a hot topic leading up to the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline. Lee is owed $25 million over the next two seasons while his contract includes a $27.5 million club option or a $12.5 million buyout. The option becomes guaranteed if Lee is not on the disabled list at end of 2015 season with injury to left elbow or left shoulder and has 200 innings in 2015 or 400 innings combined between 2014-15."

 

No-trade lists don't really mean the player won't be traded there. It's usually just a ploy to get more from the team trading for them. So Lee would almost certainly go to Boston, but it'll cost the Sox even more in order to get Lee to agree to it.

[BSN07]

Tidbit on Cliff Lee from rotoworld (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/3565/cliff-lee):

 

"FOX Sports' Jon Paul Morosi reports that the Yankees, Red Sox, and Rangers are among the 20 teams on Cliff Lee's no-trade list.

Lee reset the list of clubs before this season and most of them are projected as trade deadline "buyers." Of course, that a team is on the no-trade list doesn't rule out the possibility of a deal getting done, but it gives the southpaw more leverage. With the Phillies under .500, he should be a hot topic leading up to the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline. Lee is owed $25 million over the next two seasons while his contract includes a $27.5 million club option or a $12.5 million buyout. The option becomes guaranteed if Lee is not on the disabled list at end of 2015 season with injury to left elbow or left shoulder and has 200 innings in 2015 or 400 innings combined between 2014-15."

 

No-trade lists don't really mean the player won't be traded there. It's usually just a ploy to get more from the team trading for them. So Lee would almost certainly go to Boston, but it'll cost the Sox even more in order to get Lee to agree to it.

 

For me it's all about how much he would cost in terms of prospects going to philly and how much $ the Sox would be on the hook for. If it's reasonable then go for it. But if it costs any of Bradley, Bogaerts, Webster, De Le Rosa, Barnes or requires the team to activate the '15 option, thus being on the hook for 3/75M, then I'd pass.

[redsoxfan3]

Jake Peavy would ideally like to spend the rest of his career with the White Sox, but the veteran right-hander tells CSN Chicago's Chuck Garfien that if the club fell out of contention and felt it necessary to move Peavy in a trade, he would accept such a move.

 

“If we’re not in it, I have no problems being moved to a team who is in contention and trying to win a World Series, so I’ll go play anywhere,” Peavy said. “If it comes down to having and feeling like it’s best for them to move me, I’ll go play anywhere that feels like they have a chance. If a team’s going to trade for you, they feel like they have a chance and they’re trying to make the necessary moves. But at the end of the day, we hope and we pray that doesn’t happen.”

 

$14.5 million in 2014 and a $15 million player option for 2015 if he 1) has 400 IP in 2013-14, including 190 IP in 2014, and 2) is not on the disabled list at the end of the 2014 season.

 

Just an interesting idea with him only being 32. Just throwing this out there because of all of the Lee talk. 3.37 ERA and a 1.096 WHIP last year. 3.63 ERA this year and a 1.098 WHIP so far this year. Not to mention he pitched 219 innings last year and has a 9.2 strikeout rate this year, which is slightly better than his career average.

[Palodios]

$14.5 million in 2014 and a $15 million player option for 2015 if he 1) has 400 IP in 2013-14, including 190 IP in 2014, and 2) is not on the disabled list at the end of the 2014 season.

 

Just an interesting idea with him only being 32. Just throwing this out there because of all of the Lee talk. 3.37 ERA and a 1.096 WHIP last year. 3.63 ERA this year and a 1.098 WHIP so far this year. Not to mention he pitched 219 innings last year and has a 9.2 strikeout rate this year, which is slightly better than his career average.

 

I'd love to see Peavy here. He's a former CY Young winner, 4x All-Star, Gold glove winner, and he looks like he's put his health concerns behind him.

 

One of the top tier pitching prospects + Doubront would probably get it done.

[User Name]

Not a fan of Peavy. And i don't think the White Sox would be inclined to trade him anyway.

[Palodios]

Not a fan of Peavy. And i don't think the White Sox would be inclined to trade him anyway.

 

The White Sox are 6 games back on the division right now. They also have one of the worst farm systems in the major leagues. The motive is there, but I don't think the Red Sox are going to be willing to give enough for them.

[Behindenemylines]

Unless its Lee, I can't see the Sox dealing for a big time pitcher unless they are crushed with injuries.

[Rdsxmbnt]

I'd deal for Peavy in a package centered around Doubront and Brentz. But at 32 years old and 15 mil a year, I can't see it being worth it to send back much more.

[Station 13]

I'd deal for Peavy in a package centered around Doubront and Brentz. But at 32 years old and 15 mil a year, I can't see it being worth it to send back much more.

 

Peavy has pitch very poorly in the AL since 2010. His ERA+ are as follow, 93, 88, 128, 102 and missing a lot of time due to injuries.

[BSN07]

Any SP that's worth a top SP prospect + Doubront is probably not available imo.

[seabeachfred]

Any SP that's worth a top SP prospect + Doubront is probably not available imo.

 

I've keep saying over and over that I'm convinced we need another solid starting pitcher if we want to make a move for something worthwhile this season. It would be swell if you and others would say hee hee, too bad SeaBeachFred, you were wrong and we didn't need another one. However, I would like to have a solid starter in addition to what we have now. Will Buchholz stay healthy, will Lester start pitching well again, does the trio of Lackey, Doubrant and Dempster have what it takes to give us a decent back of the rotation?

 

I've always liked Peavy and like Palodios would like to see him with the Red Sox because I think he would be a big help to us. He seems to have recovered from his ailments and may be ready for two or three big seasons. Frankly, the White Sox talk a lot about trading off players if things don't go well and often they don't, but they still don't trade off those players. I think the Pale Hose front office is a pack of all talk and no action jokers. Such a trade most likely won't happen, but if it did I don't want to see the Red Sox trading three or four prospects for him either.

[User Name]

Peavy has a 4.30 ERA this year and one healthy season in the last three. I don't see it.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Pal has a big man crush on Peavy

 

I don't see it. I'm not a big fan of his to be honest.

 

I do, however, enjoy Pal's posts.

[BSN07]

Peavy has a 4.30 ERA this year and one healthy season in the last three. I don't see it.

 

Exactly. With his injury history he's barley an upgrade over Lackey imo.

 

I don't see the Sox getting anyone that is signed beyond this season. Mostly because I don't see them giving up on Doubront yet and he be the logical man out if someone else was brought in unless they are eating Lackey or Dempsters deal, and that doesn't seem likely.

[User Name]

Peavy about to go on the DL with a rib injury, out 4-6 weeks according to initial reports. No thanks.

[mvp 78]

Peavy about to go on the DL with a rib injury, out 4-6 weeks according to initial reports. No thanks.

 

Strike now! We can get him cheaper!

 

Wake up Ben!

[BSN07]

Peavy about to go on the DL with a rib injury, out 4-6 weeks according to initial reports. No thanks.

 

That should put an end to that lol

[Palodios]

Peavy has a 4.30 ERA this year and one healthy season in the last three. I don't see it.

 

I made those posts before I saw he had gone 2.1 with 6 ER and was heading to the MRI. At the time his ERA was around 3.63.

[Palodios]

Pal has a big man crush on Peavy

 

I don't see it. I'm not a big fan of his to be honest.

 

I do, however, enjoy Pal's posts.

 

Much appreciated.

 

Apparently Peavy makes a fool of me, and my fantasy team this week. Ouch

[seabeachfred]

That should put an end to that lol

 

You can take that one to the bank BSN....I'm now off the Peavy bandwagon. Is there somebody else out there though? I still believe we will need another solid starting pitcher. What about Garza? He has pitched in the AL East with success and he seems over his problems now. If not him, then who?

[Palodios]

You can take that one to the bank BSN....I'm now off the Peavy bandwagon. Is there somebody else out there though? I still believe we will need another solid starting pitcher. What about Garza? He has pitched in the AL East with success and he seems over his problems now. If not him, then who?

 

I hear that Franklin Morales guy is pretty good. What do you think it would take for him to pitch every 5 days for the Sox?

 

Honestly, there will be plenty of guys available, but I doubt any of them are going to be worth the cost. Gallardo, Price, Lee will be insanely expensive. The next tier is Ervin Santana, Ian Kennedy, Danks.

 

The one guy I'd want to keep an eye on is Marcum. Health issues have been a problem for him, and the Mets are going to be sellers. He might not cost much.

[mvp 78]

Marcum better not cost much. He's 0-6 with a 5.71 ERA. His WHIP is higher than it's been in 6 years even with his BB/9 decreasing.

[Palodios]

Marcum better not cost much. He's 0-6 with a 5.71 ERA. His WHIP is higher than it's been in 6 years even with his BB/9 decreasing.

 

Remember the Bedard trade a few years back? That's the kind of acquisition Marcum would be. Low risk, potentially capable of eating innings. He was hurt at the beginning of the year, but he's looked much better over the last 4 starts-- 4.10 ERA, 1.00 WHIP, 9 K/9. SSS.

 

I'd rather give up a Jose Vinicio for Marcum than a Jackie Bradley for Garza.

[VA Sox Fan]

Remember the Bedard trade a few years back? That's the kind of acquisition Marcum would be. Low risk, potentially capable of eating innings. He was hurt at the beginning of the year, but he's looked much better over the last 4 starts-- 4.10 ERA, 1.00 WHIP, 9 K/9. SSS.

 

I'd rather give up a Jose Vinicio for Marcum than a Jackie Bradley for Garza.

 

Not a fan of Garza at all. Blah...

[mvp 78]

Remember the Bedard trade a few years back? That's the kind of acquisition Marcum would be. Low risk, potentially capable of eating innings. He was hurt at the beginning of the year, but he's looked much better over the last 4 starts-- 4.10 ERA, 1.00 WHIP, 9 K/9. SSS.

 

I'd rather give up a Jose Vinicio for Marcum than a Jackie Bradley for Garza.

 

Yeah, giving up a top prospect is a deal breaker for me too.