Drew replaces Iggy on Wednesday

[Palodios]

Yeah but he was coming up and Iggy was going down anyway. The timeframe is inconsequential to this discussion.

 

The point is that they need to see what they have in Drew. You can criticize the player, but do so on facts and not on made-up BS.

 

I wasn't necessarily replying to you. I just think its dumb to bring up a player who had no spring training to move down a player on a hot streak.

[User Name]

You never know how players are going to react over the short term to a concussion. They could have taken their time to bring him up.

 

However, i will agree on MVP with the fact that him going 0-fer last night is not necessarily an indication that he's not ready.

[Palodios]

You never know how players are going to react over the short term to a concussion. They could have taken their time to bring him up.

 

However, i will agree on MVP with the fact that him going 0-fer last night is not necessarily an indication that he's not ready.

 

It isn't just the concussion. He was hit in the head on March 7th, and pretty much lost out on spring training.

 

He basically replaced the majority of his spring training ABs with 13 AB in AA, where he had exactly two hits.

[BSN07]

I think Farrell and company have been very straight forward about the situation. Drew was brought into be the starter. And he's going to start, whether it's the whole season or until someone offers enough compensation for him to be moved. The move was made when Iggy was a big ? and it was the right move. If they had done nothing and went straight to Iggy(which some of us suggested anyways) people would have gone nuts and Cherries buffoonery would have won over again.

 

We also have to take into consideration that Iggy's hot streak was not going to last. His BABIP was going to come back to Earth, he's not Cuban Jesus. Sending him down before the crash should only increase his confidence for when he comes back up. And he will. Iggy is in AAA knowing he can produce at the ML level instead of stewing in AAA with all the what if's.

[a700hitter]

I disagree that bringing in Drew was the right move. The 2013 Sox were not going to strong contenders on their planning board. It was the perfect season to give some of the young guys a chance to show what they have, especially the guys with question marks like Iggy, who has a bunch of talented guys coming up behind him at SS. The $9.5 million could have been better spent elsewhere. Drew is a good SS. He will represent himself well if healthy, but we didn't need him. We could have made do with Iggy and Ciriaco.

[Palodios]

I disagree that bringing in Drew was the right move. The 2013 Sox were not going to strong contenders on their planning board.

 

Maybe their planning board is very different than your planning board:lol:

[User Name]

Maybe their planning board is very different than your planning board:lol:

 

It's funny because he was never a proponent of Iggy and always said he'd never hit enough to be an MLB regular. Constantly looking for reasons to whine, he is.

[mvp 78]

If the Sox had ANY faith in Iggy, Drew never would have been signed. It's highly unlikely he'll ever be the long term starter at SS for them. Not that I agree with them... That's just my perception of how this situation will be handled going forward.

[mvp 78]

It's funny because he was never a proponent of Iggy and always said he'd never hit enough to be an MLB regular. Constantly looking for reasons to whine, he is.

 

To be fair, he has said that this would be a lost season and that they should trot out young players to see what they have. I felt pretty much the same way when the offseason started.

[a700hitter]

It's funny because he was never a proponent of Iggy and always said he'd never hit enough to be an MLB regular. Constantly looking for reasons to whine, he is.

That is because you are so small minded that you can't think your way out of your little box.

[BSN07]

To be fair, he has said that this would be a lost season and that they should trot out young players to see what they have. I felt pretty much the same way when the offseason started.

 

But he was wrong for thinking it was a lost season in the first place.

[User Name]

At least i'm not a coward, hiding behind the ignore feature.

[BSN07]

That is because you are so small minded that you can't think your way out of your little box.

 

Says the guy with surgically attached horse blinders...

[User Name]

Says the guy with surgically attached horse blinders...

 

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[a700hitter]

Maybe their planning board is very different than your planning board:lol:

I hate to attribute motive to the FO. I just like to judge results. But, maybe they thought they needed to to enough to make the team fairly competitve in 2013. That would be understandable. They needed to get a respectable product on the field. I thought more attention needed to be paid to improve the pitching to get the team back to respectability. They took a different tact. Several different approaches can succeed if the execution is good. Like I have said before, we could do worse than having Drew as our SS. He's a pretty good ML SS. In my view, it pushes back the Iggy issue another year. Personally, I would have answered the question this season. Which approach is right? Who knows. I am just expressing a preference.

[a700hitter]

But he was wrong for thinking it was a lost season in the first place.

We might get one of the wild cards, but I don't think this is a strongly competitve team to go deep into the post season. I stand by assessment until prved wrong. Eight games in is a little early to say that I was wrong.

[a700hitter]

Says the guy with surgically attached horse blinders...

From the guy whose brain is in the wrong end of the horse.

[BSN07]

We might get one of the wild cards, but I don't think this is a strongly competitve team to go deep into the post season. I stand by assessment until prved wrong. Eight games in is a little early to say that I was wrong.

So getting into the playoffs is a lost season? I know it's early but the team has shown they can be competitive and not the Houston Astros. To look at this team before the season started and think the season was a lost cause was ridiculous or agenda driven. It's a quality roster.

 

From the guy whose brain is in the wrong end of the horse.

 

Thank you for the lamest response ever

[a700hitter]

So getting into the playoffs is a lost season? I know it's early but the team has shown they can be competitive and not the Houston Astros. To look at this team before the season started and think the season was a lost cause was ridiculous or agenda driven. It's a quality roster.

 

 

 

Thank you for the lamest response ever

Read the posts above. Where did I call it a "lost season"? I don't think I ever used that term to describe the 2013 season. Please if you are going to argue with me, get things right.

[a700hitter]

Thank you for the lamest response ever

Aimed at one of the lamest posters on the board. You are welcome.

[User Name]

Lame: Hiding behind the ignore feature.

[a700hitter]

I hide from no one. No one ignores me.

[BSN07]

Read the posts above. Where did I call it a "lost season"? I don't think I ever used that term to describe the 2013 season. Please if you are going to argue with me, get things right.

 

You were calling it a lost season before it even started, that's why you said "play the young guys".

[BSN07]

Just one of numerous quotes I can find all over the board with you poo pooing the team before game 1 was even played,

 

That's what I am seeing -- a 4th place or last place team. Which makes me question why they have spent so much money, getting back to a $170 million payroll. Does the FO really think this will be a competitive team? I could have finished last with a much lower payroll. It remind me of a story told by Ralph Kiner. He had led the league in HRs and he asked Branch Rickey for a raise. The Pirates had finished in last place. Rickey refused to give Kiner a raise telling him that he had finished in last with Kiner and he was pretty sure that he could finish last without him.

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[BSN07]

Lost season- not competitive- 4th or last place= all the same thing,

[Bellhorn04]

We might get one of the wild cards, but I don't think this is a strongly competitve team to go deep into the post season. I stand by assessment until prved wrong.

 

That means you can stand by your assessment for 6 more months.

[BSN07]

It's more then likely to come true, anything less then a WS Championship and he will say " I told you they couldn't make a deep run" and if they managed to win it all it will only be because they lucked out.

[a700hitter]

Just one of numerous quotes I can find all over the board with you poo pooing the team before game 1 was even played,

 

 

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I still think this is a 4th place team, maybe even a last place team if we get some injuries to our starters. I stand by that. Just go to the predictions thread. I lay it out there. I never equated it with a "lost season." I never called it that. I saw the opportunity this season to play the prospects. From the beginning of the off season, all I said that I wanted was a respectable 2013 team that would play some meaningful games in September. That was my goal. I didn't expect them to right the ship in 2013 to get to a World Series or ALCS. I never equated that with a "lost season". Yes, I think they spent too much money on payroll this season, and I am not sold that it will make them appreciably better than if they had spent $30 - 40 million less.

 

It's funny how you and others skewer SBF for saying that it is a failure if the team doesn't make the playoffs or win the World Series, but you are insisting that my prediction that this is a 4th place team means that I have concluded that it is "a lost season." Are you arguing with me just for the sake of arguing? Honestly, your level of discussion is embarrassingly low. I' ll check back later. I have some intelligent people that I have to interact with now. I seriously don't even know what you are trying to prove. I wanted Iggy to get his shot to play this year. This is how this started. U.N. chimed in insisting that I was just whining and you took off on a whole other ridiculous tangent. Go tilt at some other windmills.

[a700hitter]

That means you can stand by your assessment for 6 more months.

Maybe longer.

[a700hitter]

It's more then likely to come true, anything less then a WS Championship and he will say " I told you they couldn't make a deep run" and if they managed to win it all it will only be because they lucked out.

WHat point are you trying to prove? Do you have a point? Seriously, wtf are we arguing about?