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[jung]

Boy I am not sure he did well enough to see that kind of money......He may go looking for it but it sounds like you are making the years 3-5 or something like that and that would be more than I would pay for Sanchez. I could see paying them both $15 or maybe Peavy gets his $17M which I think would be his actual 2013 number. I don't see where he has done enough to suddenly be a $20M per year pitcher.

 

He can look for that kinda money till hell freezes over but there are not more than 10-12 starters in all baseball makin' that kinda' money and he can't even carry the jocks for the guys that are overpaid at those numbers.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I really think the Sox need to stay away from guys like Peavy with inconsistent production. He's a pretty big gamble, especially for a guy who is going to be seeking $18-20mm AAV.

 

Seems like we just got lucky to give up some guys who drained our resources with inconsistent and/or poor production, so why are we wanting to dive back into a deal with a guy who has had 1 good year and 2 horrid years in the past 3 years?

 

I would much rather see the Sox have some patience and spend their money on guys that have shown a consistent ability to produce at a high level.

 

If we're going to take a flier on a guy who has had mixed results over the past couple years, at least go with a guy who has had more good than bad (i.e. Tim Lincecum, Josh Johnson, Dan Haren, etc). I know that some of those guys cost prospects, but at the same time, you're getting a good bit more assurance for the cost.

[jung]

Funny how Lincecum was lights out in post season relief roles but still seemed to lack confidence when he had a chance to start. His relief stints were very encouraging for him though.

 

I think Johnson is just going to attract so much attention and so far our FO guys don't seem to be guys that are going to do well when a guy draws interest from multiple teams. I would love to think we have a good shot at him but I just don't think so. We would probably have to act decisively to get him and that does not seem like the strong suit of this FO at least to date. Seems more like the FO guys get to talk to somebody then come back to report to the mother ship, then go back out to talk to the player again. That just takes to much time when competing with a bunch of other teams.

[SoxSport]

What they need is an ace in that rotation. A stopper. I don't know if there are any available. Maybe Lincecum if Ellsbury is enough to get him. The most promising in the organization is Ruby DeLaRosa--but he's a year or two away from being an ace at best. Hopefully, he gets a chance to stick in ST. The days when prospects stagnated in AAA because of age and money on the roster are over.

[redsoxfan3]

What they need is an ace in that rotation. A stopper. I don't know if there are any available. Maybe Lincecum if Ellsbury is enough to get him. The most promising in the organization is Ruby DeLaRosa--but he's a year or two away from being an ace at best. Hopefully, he gets a chance to stick in ST. The days when prospects stagnated in AAA because of age and money on the roster are over.

 

Hopefully Barnes, Webster, and De La Rosa are all pretty close. I know that De La Rosa is closer than Webster and Barnes. I don't know if De La Rosa is going to be an ace. Let's not give him that title. Some sites say his ceiling is as a #3 starter. If he can be a quality #3, then I am okay with that if he can reach that point within the next couple of years. Webster projects as a #3-#5 starter. If he can reach that and be a consistent back of the rotation guy for us in the next two to three years, then I will be happy. Barnes projects as a #2 or #3 starter. If he can reach that potential within the next few years as well, I will be extremely happy. If we can have a rotation of Barnes as our #2, De La Rosa as our #3, and Webster as our #4 or #5 in a few years, then I think there will be a lot of happy fans. Of course that means everyone has to reach their potential and we all know that does not happen a lot of times.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Uhhh ohhhh....

 

Jake Peavy was extended by the ChiSox for 2 years/$29mm.

 

Pal is officially on suicide watch.

[Palodios]

Uhhh ohhhh....

 

Jake Peavy was extended by the ChiSox for 2 years/$29mm.

 

Pal is officially on suicide watch.

 

Phenomenal move by the White Sox. They were on the hook for 5 million already, so they're looking at 2/24 on a guy coming off an ace caliber season. Taking Floyd's option was another smart move from that organization. Those two signings will hit the FA pitching market hard.

 

But seriously, where can you get pitchers from?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Phenomenal move by the White Sox. They were on the hook for 5 million already, so they're looking at 2/24 on a guy coming off an ace caliber season. Taking Floyd's option was another smart move from that organization. Those two signings will hit the FA pitching market hard.

 

But seriously, where can you get pitchers from?

 

I would trade Drake Britton to the Angels before FA hits so they can exercise Haren's option and the Sox can get him on a 1 year deal. They're not going to get anything for him anyway, and it's likely that they wouldn't give him a qualifying offer because he'd be likely to accept (13.3mm is still a raise from Haren's $12.75mm salary last year). That's probably as big of an AAV as he'd get and he'd stay with a place he's comfortable.

 

So, the Angels can exercise his option and grab a decent prospect in Britton. That's the first move I make if I'm Cherrington. Get Haren before he hits FA.

[Palodios]

Dan Haren is looking more and more appealing to me. It sounds like the Angels are going to decline his option, unless someone wants to take him off their hands and save them from the expensive buyout.

 

1/15 for Dan Haren, ace potential, low cost? I bet they could get him from the Angels for a mid-range chip, like Ranaudo or Wilson. On one hand, the Angels won't get a compensation pick, but they also won't have to pay the expensive buyout either.

 

That is a move that sends a message to free agent players-- this team is going to be back at the top of the division soon enough.

 

I'm also thinking about Greinke. If he has gotten over his anxiety, why not? The guy is legit, and doesn't cost prospects.

[Palodios]

I would trade Drake Britton to the Angels before FA hits so they can exercise Haren's option and the Sox can get him on a 1 year deal. They're not going to get anything for him anyway, and it's likely that they wouldn't give him a qualifying offer because he'd be likely to accept (13.3mm is still a raise from Haren's $12.75mm salary last year). That's probably as big of an AAV as he'd get and he'd stay with a place he's comfortable.

 

So, the Angels can exercise his option and grab a decent prospect in Britton. That's the first move I make if I'm Cherrington. Get Haren before he hits FA.

 

Uncanny.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Uncanny.

 

That. Was Weird.

[NativeBostonian]

The Rays need to move to Tampa.

 

Why, it takes me longer to get to downtown Tampa than St. Pete? So much easier to hop on the highway.

[wyo-sox]

I like trading for Lincecum and signing Lohse to a two year deal.

[iortiz]

Now that Peavy is out of reach, go and get Haren and/or Greinke and/or Lohse.

 

This FO has to move fast and smart in order to get the SPs we need, otherwise the market will raise each time a solid SP is signed.

[jung]

In retrospect, maybe staying with CWS was going to be a natch for Peavy since they were already in the hole for $5M on him. He ends up getting his money and CWS look pretty slick in the process. Maybe Haren would be the next target in line and then maybe Lohse??? Gonna' be interesting to see what Sanchez does end up getting and if the Sox actually make a run at him.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Lohse is 35 years old. This team needs to get younger, not older.

 

Also, I think Anibal Sanchez would get destroyed in the AL East.

 

The Sox need to go after Haren (trade Ranaudo and get him for 1/15, then when Haren hits FA in 2014, turn that deal into a better #1 pick than you got with Ranaudo).

[iortiz]

Lohse is 35 years old. This team needs to get younger, not older.

 

Also, I think Anibal Sanchez would get destroyed in the AL East.

 

The Sox need to go after Haren (trade Ranaudo and get him for 1/15, then when Haren hits FA in 2014, turn that deal into a better #1 pick than you got with Ranaudo).

 

I have no problem signing Lohse for 1 yr contract. On the other hand, YES!, get Haren or Greinke. Nice to have to me would be both, Haren and Greinke.

[Plumpamania]

Greinke would fold like a folding chair in Boston. Haren wouldn't be a bad fit as far as composition.

[mvp 78]

Greinke is looking for the highest contract ever for a RH pitcher. No thanks...

[User Name]

Even in a down year fueled by a back injury, Haren would've still had better numbers than anyone else on the Sox staff. Food for thought.

[Palodios]

Greinke would fold like a folding chair in Boston. Haren wouldn't be a bad fit as far as composition.

 

If they do sign Greinke, they need to speak to the media before-hand. Any news organization who gives him s*** in his first year would be banned from press privileges. What the press is doing to this team is getting out of control.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Even in a down year fueled by a back injury, Haren would've still had better numbers than anyone else on the Sox staff. Food for thought.

 

I don't know what the hold up is. Don't let him choose not to go to the Sox, and don't get in a bidding war. Take his low risk 1 year deal by giving up a fringe prospect. Hell, the Royals gave up a 27 year old AAA LOOGY for Santana. I'm sure the Sox could get Haren for Chris Carpenter or someone of the like.

[SoxFanForsyth]

If they do sign Greinke, they need to speak to the media before-hand. Any news organization who gives him s*** in his first year would be banned from press privileges. What the press is doing to this team is getting out of control.

 

+1

 

Absolutely. I'm not blaming the year on the press by any means, but lets be serious. It's completely out of control.

 

That's one area that I see Farrell really stepping in and putting his foot down. Then all the writers are going to bitch about how players won't talk. Get over it. Sorry you hang out at baseball games and in clubhouses all day and a pissed off player won't speak to you. Get over yourself already. Man they piss me off.

[mvp 78]

If they do sign Greinke, they need to speak to the media before-hand. Any news organization who gives him s*** in his first year would be banned from press privileges. What the press is doing to this team is getting out of control.

 

Tell him not to read the paper? If the Sox did go to the media like that, it'd be a huge story and CHB would have a field day.

[SoxFanForsyth]

 

If the Sox don't come down with Haren after it's all said and done, I'll be absolutely shocked. I'm penciling him in for the Sox.

 

It just makes too much sense.

[jung]

A little hard to jump on the media I think when ultimately everything reported other than how close they were to signing Ortiz (close being a relative term anyway) turned out to be true.

 

The Red Sox need a full time media consultant that helps both the players and the execs because neither group covered itself in glory in 2011 or 2012. If anything both groups covered themselves in s*** and if they can't learn to keep their mouths shut, they should learn how to do it right.

[Orange Juiced]

 

If the Sox don't come down with Haren after it's all said and done, I'll be absolutely shocked. I'm penciling him in for the Sox.

 

It just makes too much sense.

 

Dan Haren's stats last year: 176.2 ip, 4.33 era, 87 era+, 1.29 whip, 7.2 k/9

 

Not an ace anymore, but that would have made him the #1 starter on the 2012 Boston Red Sox. Moreover, those numbers were skewed by a horrific 5-game stretch in the middle of the year, where he pitched 27.0 ip, and surrendered 43 h, 8 bb, and 26 er, for an era of 8.67 and a whip of 1.89.

 

He then finished the season, over his last 13 starts, putting up this line:

 

73.0 ip, 77 h, 14 bb, and 29 er, for an era of 3.58 and a whip of 1.25

 

In other words, that's a pitcher the Red Sox sure could use. On a one-year deal, with plenty of money to spend, I think that's a really good idea. Haren at the top, followed by Lester and Buchholz, who I think will be helped immensely by John Farrell, with Lackey and either Doubront or Morales, would be a pretty solid rotation. Of course, lots of things could go wrong with that, but still, it could be pretty good.

[Palodios]

Tell him not to read the paper? If the Sox did go to the media like that, it'd be a huge story and CHB would have a field day.

 

Being allowed access to a team's clubhouse and press conferences is a privilege, not a right. Media outlets may have contracts with the Boston Red Sox, but I doubt that there are specific individuals in name on those contracts. Its time for this town's sports writers stop acting like paparazzi.

[Palodios]

Dan Haren's stats last year: 176.2 ip, 4.33 era, 87 era+, 1.29 whip, 7.2 k/9

 

Not an ace anymore, but that would have made him the #1 starter on the 2012 Boston Red Sox. Moreover, those numbers were skewed by a horrific 5-game stretch in the middle of the year, where he pitched 27.0 ip, and surrendered 43 h, 8 bb, and 26 er, for an era of 8.67 and a whip of 1.89.

 

He then finished the season, over his last 13 starts, putting up this line:

 

73.0 ip, 77 h, 14 bb, and 29 er, for an era of 3.58 and a whip of 1.25

 

In other words, that's a pitcher the Red Sox sure could use. On a one-year deal, with plenty of money to spend, I think that's a really good idea. Haren at the top, followed by Lester and Buchholz, who I think will be helped immensely by John Farrell, with Lackey and either Doubront or Morales, would be a pretty solid rotation. Of course, lots of things could go wrong with that, but still, it could be pretty good.

 

Compare Haren's stats, and off year tendencies to Beckett, and you'll realize Haren is a significant upgrade.

[Orange Juiced]

Compare Haren's stats, and off year tendencies to Beckett, and you'll realize Haren is a significant upgrade.

 

Yes. Unfortunately, Beckett is usually good in odd years, which means he'll be pretty solid for LA next year.

 

Oh well.