Rotation

[PlugInHysteriaBaby]

IMO this is not good depth at all.

 

Your opinion is your opinion, I just don't see how you can say that having not seen any of them pitch and/or progress. I think De La Rosa is a very exciting arm, Webster, by all accounts isn't far off and could get a cup of coffee, and the others listed are unknowns for all intents and purposes.

[BSN07]

Your opinion is your opinion, I just don't see how you can say that having not seen any of them pitch and/or progress. I think De La Rosa is a very exciting arm, Webster, by all accounts isn't far off and could get a cup of coffee, and the others listed are unknowns for all intents and purposes.

 

a700 doesn't like "unproven" talent. They are all bums until they become all stars

 

I'd like to see them add a Marcum to the ML team and Jurrjens on a minor league deal. It won't be possible unless they trade off some BP pieces.

 

I'd like to see them Pass on Napoli, and see if they can get a 1B for some of their BP pieces. Really like them to take a chance on Smoak. Miller and Aceves for Smoak is a good start to a deal.

 

Now with the money saved from Napoli, sign Marcum 1 year 7-10M(I' don't think he will get too much more then that) and sign Wilson 1 year 4M base with incentives to 8M(add a player option for 9M +3M in incentives as he will have a chance to close in '14)

 

Rotation heading into spring would be

 

Lester

Buccholz

Dempster

Doubront

Marcum

 

 

With Lackey coming back and Morales as the swing man. Jurrjens, De le Rosa, Wright and Webster waiting in AAA(might be best AAA rotation hahaha).

 

BP

 

Hanrahan

Bailey

Uehera(sp?)

Bard

Morales

Mortensen

Tazawa(or another LHRP)

 

The BP would add Wilson mid season, that would make one of the strongest back end of the BP in the league.

[a700hitter]

Your opinion is your opinion, I just don't see how you can say that having not seen any of them pitch and/or progress. I think De La Rosa is a very exciting arm, Webster, by all accounts isn't far off and could get a cup of coffee, and the others listed are unknowns for all intents and purposes.

How much have you seen them pitch? I don't see how you can declare them as good depth without seeing them when they have very little track record to back you up.

[jung]

As you can tell from some recent posts I am intrigued by the "location light on the stuff" pitchers and what they will end up doing this year. Some of them absolutely ripped up these so called power lineups on occasion just by being able to locate the ball and having a slider. Jurjens is an example and whatever hopes I am hanging on Lackey stem from hoping he can locate and maybe benefit from the same sorts of undisciplined haphazard hitting performances we saw last year, especially in the AL.

 

Cook even enjoyed more success than I expected but was so marginal that in most instances he imploded at some point in games he started. That might not sound like much but I expected him to not be able to get out of the 3rd inning......ever......

[RedSoxNC84]

How much have you seen them pitch? I don't see how you can declare them as good depth without seeing them when they have very little track record to back you up.

 

I was about to say, I don't think scouting reports are really what you can go on when determining how good someone is or is going to be.. Those are just opinions as well.

 

I don't make my mind up on anyone until I see exactly what they can do, even then you still have to take into consideration things like sample size, etc. etc.

[a700hitter]

I was about to say, I don't think scouting reports are really what you can go on when determining how good someone is or is going to be.. Those are just opinions as well.

 

I don't make my mind up on anyone until I see exactly what they can do, even then you still have to take into consideration things like sample size, etc. etc.

And there isn't anything in those scouting reports that indicates that any of them is ready to crack a big league rotation in 2013.

[redsoxfan3]

With Lohse and Marcum still available, what are the chances that we can land either of the two? I know we have been linked to Lohse back during the Winter Meetings, but I am not so sure if that is the case after signing Dempster. I think Lohse or Marcum as the #4 would be better than having both Doubront and Lackey as the #4 and #5. If we do sign Lohse or Marcum, does that mean that we trade Doubront? I think we are going to make some trades before the offseason is over, especially if we sign Napoli. Salty will probably be on the block, along with Doubront (easier to trade than Lackey for obvious reasons), and a couple relievers due to our surplus in the bullpen. I personally would love us to sign one of Lohse or Dempster and have Lester, Buchholz, Dempster, Lohse or Marcum as our top four starters, with Lackey and Doubront battling out the 5th spot. The only problem is that between Lackey and Doubront, the one that does not make the rotation is the odd man out. We have a surplus of relievers as it is. I know Doubront could probably go to AAA, but I don't think he should be there. That is why I think we can get more value out of him in a trade. What kind of return could we get back for Doubront, Salty, and a couple of relievers? Maybe a LH to platoon in LF with Gomes that will be an upgrade over Kalish or Nava. There are plenty of possibilities and I am sure the FO is exploring everything they possibly can.

[Behindenemylines]

I don't think the Sox go after Lohse or Marcum unless a trade involving another starter happens. Both of them are not depth pitchers and would be targeted to start the season in the rotation. The only FA that the Sox will go after now is someone that will start the season in AAA like Cook did last year. If the season turns into a bridge year you could see Webster or De La Rosa some time in 2013. I think if all are healthy the Sox rotation to start 2013 is:

 

Lester Buchholtz Dempster Doubrount Lackey

 

That is a rotation with a whole lot of questions.

[User Name]

But also a whole lot of upside, which seems to be the "thing" of the 2013 Boston Red Sox

[BSN07]

With Lohse and Marcum still available, what are the chances that we can land either of the two? I know we have been linked to Lohse back during the Winter Meetings, but I am not so sure if that is the case after signing Dempster. I think Lohse or Marcum as the #4 would be better than having both Doubront and Lackey as the #4 and #5. If we do sign Lohse or Marcum, does that mean that we trade Doubront? I think we are going to make some trades before the offseason is over, especially if we sign Napoli. Salty will probably be on the block, along with Doubront (easier to trade than Lackey for obvious reasons), and a couple relievers due to our surplus in the bullpen. I personally would love us to sign one of Lohse or Dempster and have Lester, Buchholz, Dempster, Lohse or Marcum as our top four starters, with Lackey and Doubront battling out the 5th spot. The only problem is that between Lackey and Doubront, the one that does not make the rotation is the odd man out. We have a surplus of relievers as it is. I know Doubront could probably go to AAA, but I don't think he should be there. That is why I think we can get more value out of him in a trade. What kind of return could we get back for Doubront, Salty, and a couple of relievers? Maybe a LH to platoon in LF with Gomes that will be an upgrade over Kalish or Nava. There are plenty of possibilities and I am sure the FO is exploring everything they possibly can.

 

Slim to none. Sox are at the LT limit if the Napoli deal goes through. Although they could decide to break it this season as they got under last season and reset their penalty % I think?

[jung]

Doubront has no options left. He is in the same boat he was in last year. It is the big club or nothing for him.

[Palodios]

Doubront has no options left. He is in the same boat he was in last year. It is the big club or nothing for him.

 

It wouldn't be Doubront losing his spot, it would be Lackey-- maybe to the pen in mop up duty.

[Lucienbel]

It wouldn't be Doubront losing his spot, it would be Lackey-- maybe to the pen in mop up duty.

 

Realizing that Doubront has no other options than going to the big leagues I assume that they'll do everything they can to keep both of them in the rotation. I have a tough time seeing them just sticking Lackey in the pen. I suppose an option like that will likely become an absolute worse case scenario.

 

I suppose if he does end up in the pen he won't be able to whine in his post game interviews though, because he probably won't get them.

[BSN07]

http://www.overthemonster.com/2013/1/11/3866008/rubby-de-la-rosa-nanny-pedro-martinez-grandmother

However, this does give us some background as to why De La Rosa has chosen to work with Pedro's brother (and former Red Sox himself), Ramon Martinez, this off-season. De La Rosa's goal? According to Rob Bradford, it's "to be the best pitcher in MLB."

https://twitter.com/GordonEdes/status/289782509456216064

Better yet, Pedro taught de la Rosa his changeup.

 

a700, does this make you like him more?

[a700hitter]

http://www.overthemonster.com/2013/1/11/3866008/rubby-de-la-rosa-nanny-pedro-martinez-grandmother

 

https://twitter.com/GordonEdes/status/289782509456216064

 

 

a700, does this make you like him more?

What makes you think I dislike him? I think is a fair bit away from making the 2013 rotation. That is a long shot. This stuff about him and Pedro is meaningless. He's not going to be the next Pedro. He'd have to win the CY Young either this season or next for his career to parallel Pedro's. At this same age, Pedro was already carving out his legend.

[dupree]

Aaron Cook signs a minor league deal with the Phillies

 

Shew thats a relief he was horrible in Boston. Im glad he wont be back.

[Lucienbel]

Aaron Cook signs a minor league deal with the Phillies

 

Shew thats a relief he was horrible in Boston. Im glad he wont be back.

 

That is a relief. Guy never seemed like he still had it in him since he had come back. Tough when you throw a sinker that hangs around the belt most of the time.

 

With that said, I'd still like to see us get some minor league depth signings done for the rotation.

[jung]

Cook's sinker did not have to linger around the belt to get tagged. Low for Cook is between the bottom of the knee and the middle of the knee. Outside of that....its orbitsville.

[dupree]

Heyman keeps reporting that the Red Sox are still in on Kyle Lohse. Does anyone see that signing or is it just a way to keep a buzz in the industry? And what kind of deal would Lohse want is he even a guy that would take a one year deal?

[dupree]

Heyman keeps reporting that the Red Sox are still in on Kyle Lohse. Does anyone see that signing or is it just a way to keep a buzz in the industry? And what kind of deal would Lohse want is he even a guy that would take a one year deal?

[a700hitter]

Heyman keeps reporting that the Red Sox are still in on Kyle Lohse. Does anyone see that signing or is it just a way to keep a buzz in the industry? And what kind of deal would Lohse want is he even a guy that would take a one year deal?

Maybe it is just a way to liven up a slow news day.

[Station 13]

I don't see the Loshe news anywhere...

[BSN07]

I don't see it as a match. Who would they take out of the rotation? Lohse's camp must be trying to drum up some kind of market for him.

[wyo-sox]

I like Lohse, but do not see where we have room for him. We need Buch and Lester to pitch better then Lohse. Dumpster,Dubrount and Lackey should all be as good as Lohse. So I don't know who you move to use Lohse. And I suspect Dubs is going to really surprise everyone this year. I'll go out on a limb and predict era of 3.7 and 15 wins for Dubs.

[mvp 78]

Even if the Sox didn't lose a pick for Lohse, it still wouldn't be worth it. He's garbage in the AL.

[User Name]

Even if the Sox didn't lose a pick for Lohse, it still wouldn't be worth it. He's garbage in the AL.

 

"Garbage" is putting it lightly. 4.88 ERA, 1.44 WHIP, and not even a lot of IP. Miserable K rate to boot.

[Palodios]

I don't see it as a match. Who would they take out of the rotation? Lohse's camp must be trying to drum up some kind of market for him.

 

Lackey never spent any time in the minor leagues, did he? They could hold off on taking him off the DL. When he is forced to return, whoever sucks to start the season gets pushed to the pen until someone gets injured.

[Palodios]

"Garbage" is putting it lightly. 4.88 ERA, 1.44 WHIP, and not even a lot of IP. Miserable K rate to boot.

 

Lohse is a strange story. I thought the same exact thing about him for a long time, until I realized... he sucked in the NL too.

 

Lohse may be an example of a guy who turned the corner at a very late age. I'm not suggesting they give him a ton of money, but if he is getting desperate and could be had for a one or two year deal? Worth a look.

[User Name]

Not if he's going to cost a pick imo.

[BSN07]

"Garbage" is putting it lightly. 4.88 ERA, 1.44 WHIP, and not even a lot of IP. Miserable K rate to boot.

I saw his stat line from last season and saw that K/9 rate and gagged.

Lackey never spent any time in the minor leagues, did he? They could hold off on taking him off the DL. When he is forced to return, whoever sucks to start the season gets pushed to the pen until someone gets injured.

 

This is the only scenario I can see them bringing in another ML SP. But I haven't heard or read anything saying he won't be ready.

 

Lohse isn't going to fit, especially with the draft pick attached to him.