Red Sox Hire John Farrell

[TeddyBallGame9]

I hear ya! lol!!

[ibot2much]

It is a three year contract

[Behindenemylines]

FO must have some unwritten rule that any player the Sox get as compensation must have the last name of Carpenter. This is AAA player at best. Overall, the Sox don't give away any of their future and have a manager under contract for 2013. Just remember when Tito became the new manager before 2004 he had a losing record as manager with the Phillies.

[jacksonianmarch]

As long as the sox manager doesnt stifle/insult the kids and doesnt create a media firestorm, it will be an improvement.

[a700hitter]

It's interesting, the Jays are taking a lot of flak from their own fans over this Farrell thing...I think they had to get something back of apparent value. I've also heard we're getting a player from the Jays but the details aren't confirmed yet.

What do Jay fans know. They are Hockey fans.

[a700hitter]

It's Boston. You're not allowed to be happy about anything.

 

And it's Ben the Boob. He's incapable of making any good moves.

IUntil he makes some good moves, he has been a bit of a boob.

[Palodios]

I thought he could be a utility type in 2013 and Plan C for SS if plans A and B blow up. Our guys are a bunch of boobs. I'd like to be the car dealer when one of these bo-bos buys a car.

 

I really don't see the sense in worrying about losing a poor hitting, poor fielding utility player. This isn't like trading away Lowrie, or trading away Scutaro. Aviles is a guy that Kansas City pretty much gave to us because they didn't want to pay a minimum salary to. At the end of 2011, Aviles was looked at as a plan D.

[a700hitter]

I really don't see the sense in worrying about losing a poor hitting, poor fielding utility player. This isn't like trading away Lowrie, or trading away Scutaro. Aviles is a guy that Kansas City pretty much gave to us because they didn't want to pay a minimum salary to. At the end of 2011, Aviles was looked at as a plan D.

Other teams get our GM for bush leaguers, but we not only trade a guy from the major league roster but a guy that was our starting SS for a second rate mnager. Disparage Aviles if you want, but those are the facts. I am not worried about losing him, but our guys are just asshats when it comes to negotiations.

[Palodios]

Other teams get our GM for bush leaguers, but we not only trade a guy from the major league roster but a guy that was our starting SS for a second rate mnager. Disparage Aviles if you want, but those are the facts. I am not worried about losing him, but our guys are just asshats when it comes to negotiations.

 

And Saltalamacchia is this team's starting catcher, but it doesn't mean he's all that valuable. At the end of the year, Aviles was benched for a guy who ended up with a .118 average.

[a700hitter]

And Saltalamacchia is this team's starting catcher, but it doesn't mean he's all that valuable. At the end of the year, Aviles was benched for a guy who ended up with a .118 average.

And I would not have given up Salty for Farrell either. This was a ridiculous trade. And giving Farrell a 3 year contract is pretty stupid too. Ben has a long way to go to prove himself as worthy of his position.

[SCM33]

Im ok with Farrell here.....

 

2 reasons.

 

1. He is a baseball manager. Nobody gives a s***. Baseball manager is only slightly above a ball boy in terms of importance of a teams personnel.

2. Aviles sucks. I'd rather they had given up the more sucky Salty. Maybe we can throw him in and get a 30 year old backup minor leaguer.

 

Finally thats over. Can we start fixing the real problems (Starting pitching, Bullpen, Closer, Shortstop, Catcher, Shortstop, SP, BP, Shortstop, Pitchers, Shortstop, Catcher, Pitching, Relief Pitching, Pitchers, Shortstop, Catcher, Starting Pitching) now?

 

I know I repeated myself a couple of times, just in case anyone forgot where the real holes were/are.

[FenwayWest]

I'm ok with this... Brad Auromas seemed pretty impressive from what I read, but it was clear Farrell is their man. I'm happy they were quick and decisive about it at least, now they can move on to other off-season moves. As for giving up Aviles, I agree he was definiately a temp player, but he was good. I don't think anyone should be bashing him, he gave his all, he was a quality guy and solid starter on any major league team. But I suppose if we had to give up something, it seems fair.

 

Lets go 2013 sox!

[Divinity]

Sox probably won't be a serious playoff contender until at least 2015

[justRog]

I got no problem with giving John a shot at the helm. As long as Larry keeps his fingers out of the pie. This last season was a mess. And speaking of messes,..wasn't it great to to see the Yankees go belly up against the Tigers

[SoxFanForsyth]

Sox probably won't be a serious playoff contender until at least 2015

 

This is funny.

 

It takes just a couple moves for the Sox to contend this year.

 

Acquiring either Cliff Lee or Tim Lincecum via trade, and signing a guy like Dan Haren will give them a very solid rotaiton.

 

Acquiring Jonathan Broxton and Rafeal Soriano gives them an elite bullpen.

 

Acquiring Michael Morse via trade and signing Melky Cabrera to a 1 year deal gives them a top 5 offense again.

 

Rotation of Lee - Haren - Buch - Lester - Lackey

Bullpen of Soriano - Broxton - Bailey - De La Rosa - Tazawa - Miller - Breslow

Lineup of Ellsbury - Pedroia - Ortiz - Morse - WMB - Melky - Ross - Lavarnway/Salty - Iggy.

 

That is easily a contending team right there, no question about it. It only takes a few moves to get back into things, and most of those are moves that will not cost a lot in prospects (outside of Lee) and will be short term deals (i.e. 4 years or less)

[SoxFanForsyth]

And I would not have given up Salty for Farrell either. This was a ridiculous trade. And giving Farrell a 3 year contract is pretty stupid too. Ben has a long way to go to prove himself as worthy of his position.

 

This was 100% not a ridiculous trade. I would so much rather have given up Aviles than any of our prospects. At least some of our prospects could turn out to be MLB contributors. Aviles is a bench player at best. He shouldn't even be on the 40 man roster. I'd much rather have Ciriaco as my utility IF than Aviles.

 

The trade was a very good trade. And how can you say "he has a long way to go to prove himself worthy of his position" when he just unloaded $270mm of bad contracts in August and got two top prospect arms in return?!? Keith Law already said that De La Rosa and Webster both are the best prospects in the Red Sox farm system.

 

I'm not sure if you have a man crush on Aviles or something, but he was beyond terrible. Like Pal said, we had a .118 hitter playing in front of him all of September, and oh by the way, that .118 hitter was on track to put up a nearly identical WAR as Aviles.

 

Trading Aviles for Farrell was a very good move by the Sox. Ridding themselves of monstrous bad contracts and only having $45mm on the books for 2013 (pre-arb) is an executive of the year type move.

 

Don't get all over Cherrington just because of the Scutaro deal. You were the one pining for him to get Oswalt all this time, how'd that turn out for the Rangers?

[iortiz]

Im ok with Farrell here.....

 

2 reasons.

 

1. He is a baseball manager. Nobody gives a s***. Baseball manager is only slightly above a ball boy in terms of importance of a teams personnel.

2. Aviles sucks. I'd rather they had given up the more sucky Salty. Maybe we can throw him in and get a 30 year old backup minor leaguer.

 

Finally thats over. Can we start fixing the real problems (Starting pitching, Bullpen, Closer, Shortstop, Catcher, Shortstop, SP, BP, Shortstop, Pitchers, Shortstop, Catcher, Pitching, Relief Pitching, Pitchers, Shortstop, Catcher, Starting Pitching) now?

I know I repeated myself a couple of times, just in case anyone forgot where the real holes were/are.

 

This.

[a700hitter]

This was 100% not a ridiculous trade. I would so much rather have given up Aviles than any of our prospects. At least some of our prospects could turn out to be MLB contributors. Aviles is a bench player at best. He shouldn't even be on the 40 man roster. I'd much rather have Ciriaco as my utility IF than Aviles.

 

The trade was a very good trade. And how can you say "he has a long way to go to prove himself worthy of his position" when he just unloaded $270mm of bad contracts in August and got two top prospect arms in return?!? Keith Law already said that De La Rosa and Webster both are the best prospects in the Red Sox farm system.

 

I'm not sure if you have a man crush on Aviles or something, but he was beyond terrible. Like Pal said, we had a .118 hitter playing in front of him all of September, and oh by the way, that .118 hitter was on track to put up a nearly identical WAR as Aviles.

 

Trading Aviles for Farrell was a very good move by the Sox. Ridding themselves of monstrous bad contracts and only having $45mm on the books for 2013 (pre-arb) is an executive of the year type move.

 

Don't get all over Cherrington just because of the Scutaro deal. You were the one pining for him to get Oswalt all this time, how'd that turn out for the Rangers?

It was ridiculous, because we didn't have to give up either prospects or a major leaguer. We got neither from the Cubs for Theo. We should have been able to get Farrell for the same garbage-- a bush leaguer with no major legue future. Aviles could have been used to get something of use like a bull pen arm or he could have been packaged with other playrs in a bigger deal.

 

Your last statement about Scutaro and Oswalt is a twisted recollecion of my position. I very clearly said several times last off season that we needed starting pitching. Ideally, they should have gotten 2 starters, but 1 was a an absolute necessity. That was the drum the I beat the entire off season. I watched as one pitcher after the other went to other teams. All that was left at the end was Edwin Jackson and Oswalt. I preferred Jackson, but then Jackson got signed by the Nats. Oswalt turned out terrible, but even if they had spent $5 million on him, the season could not have turned out worse.

 

It is beyond me why Sox fans will defend this unproven rube, Cherington. This is a guy who was at the helm when the Sox sunk to last place with their worst record in 50 years. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. He needs to prove himself. People are trying to defend Cherington by denigrating Aviles. I am not making any case for Aviles' greatness. I am just noting that this was an overpay for Farrell. I would have been happier if we got Darwin Barney from the Cubs for Theo, but we didn't. Aviles is as good as, maybe better than, Barney. We got recycled trash instead. It's beyond me why we couldn't just send the same to Toront.

[SoxSport]

Losing Aviles was no big deal--he is a known commodity and was expendable. He did not figure at SS--not when they are paying a 22yo kid $2.5million who may already be the best defensive SS in baseball. Plus he showed enough offensive development in AAA last year to be given a good shot this year in Boston.

 

What would have been worse was giving up a prospect for Farrell. A prospect is an unknown--he could be very good, or not so good. They are already taking a risk with Farrell. Why take two risks?

 

Henry should declare himself GM. From what I've read, he engineered the deal with Beeston, according to the Jays' GM. Including the compensation. He also engineered the Dodger deal--with Kasten. Maybe that was after watching Cherington muck up a couple of deals during the season.

 

Henry shows every sign of being a promising GM. Maybe he should become more involved in the rebuilding effort--if he isn't already.

[kapsis21]

Anibal Sanchez anybody?

[a700hitter]

Losing Aviles was no big deal--he is a known commodity and was expendable. He did not figure at SS--not when they are paying a 22yo kid $2.5million who may already be the best defensive SS in baseball. Plus he showed enough offensive development in AAA last year to be given a good shot this year in Boston.

 

What would have been worse was giving up a prospect for Farrell. A prospect is an unknown--he could be very good, or not so good. They are already taking a risk with Farrell. Why take two risks?

 

Henry should declare himself GM. From what I've read, he engineered the deal with Beeston, according to the Jays' GM. Including the compensation. He also engineered the Dodger deal--with Kasten. Maybe that was after watching Cherington muck up a couple of deals during the season.

 

Henry shows every sign of being a promising GM. Maybe he should become more involved in the rebuilding effort--if he isn't already.

There are many bush league players that involve no risk, e.g Nate Spears or one of the bums we got from the Cubs. Aviles has some value as a utility IF. We should not havegivenany any MLB value. It should have been a minor league roster filler-type. We have lots of guys who will never sniff the majors.

[Elktonnick]

Losing Aviles was no big deal--he is a known commodity and was expendable. He did not figure at SS--not when they are paying a 22yo kid $2.5million who may already be the best defensive SS in baseball. Plus he showed enough offensive development in AAA last year to be given a good shot this year in Boston.

 

What would have been worse was giving up a prospect for Farrell. A prospect is an unknown--he could be very good, or not so good. They are already taking a risk with Farrell. Why take two risks?

 

Henry should declare himself GM. From what I've read, he engineered the deal with Beeston, according to the Jays' GM. Including the compensation. He also engineered the Dodger deal--with Kasten. Maybe that was after watching Cherington muck up a couple of deals during the season.

 

Henry shows every sign of being a promising GM. Maybe he should become more involved in the rebuilding effort--if he isn't already.

 

If this deal isn't further confirmation that Ben is GM in name only, then nothing will be. Henry et al merely want an errand boy. Someone elsewhere called Ben, "Fredo" from the Godfather. Kind of fits don't you think?

[Bellhorn04]

If this deal isn't further confirmation that Ben is GM in name only, then nothing will be. Henry et al merely want an errand boy. Someone elsewhere called Ben, "Fredo" from the Godfather. Kind of fits don't you think?

 

Paying a GM salary to someone to be an errand boy seems like a waste of money. Maybe Cherington is paid to be the public relations guy and a consultant on personnel matters-his opinion is sought out but not necessarily accepted. Henry and Lucchino have big egos and they have control.

[Elktonnick]

Paying a GM salary to someone to be an errand boy seems like a waste of money. Maybe Cherington is paid to be the public relations guy and a consultant on personnel matters-his opinion is sought out but not necessarily accepted. Henry and Lucchino have big egos and they have control.

 

Ben is lousy at public relations IMO. Look at the public relations disaster the Red Sox have been since he was named GM as proof. Whatever he does, he doesn't act like a GM in the traditional sense. He is nothing more than a glorified errand boy with a fancy title.

[NativeBostonian]

I don't know how to feel about this one. He didn't that good of a job with the Jays.

[Rdsxmbnt]

It's beyond me why we couldn't just send the same to Toronto.

 

Completely different scenario. Theo was getting promoted in his new role in the cubs, while Farrell was lateraling. Its convention that bench coaches for example are allowed to freely interview for manager positions since that is viewed as a promotion, why wouldn't that more or less apply to GM -> President?

 

Why can't the Red Sox find the best current manager in baseball under contract and take him from that team for nothing? Because teams want compensation. If a team wants to keep a bench coach from being manager of another team, then you have two options. Make him the manager or let him go, that isn't the case here.

[wyo-sox]

I personally wish they would have hired a manager that required no compensation to another team, and also that had no ties this team.

 

That said I see no reason why Farrell can't do well here. I'm glad they got a manager much faster than last years process. I will be positive and hope Farrell can help steer the ship in the right direction. I just hope we can finish next season with a winning record.

 

With the manager done, I believe (in order) they should address: Getting a couple starting pitchers, getting a short stop, and getting a first baseman.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Who the f*** cares about Mike Aviles?

[Bellhorn04]

Ben is lousy at public relations IMO. Look at the public relations disaster the Red Sox have been since he was named GM as proof. Whatever he does, he doesn't act like a GM in the traditional sense. He is nothing more than a glorified errand boy with a fancy title.

 

OK, so just credit/blame Henry and Lucchino for everything then. Including the ruination of Daniel Bard.

[Elktonnick]

OK, so just credit/blame Henry and Lucchino for everything then. Including the ruination of Daniel Bard.

 

As a friend put it elsewhere ""It's always 'send Fredo to do this; send Fredo to do that.' I'm smart. I can do things." That's Ben.