Your 2013 Red Sox

[SoxFanForsyth]

What do you want the 2013 Red Sox to look like? This isn't an offseason thread per se, since we don't know who is going to be available, but more of a discussion about what you want the '13 lineup, rotation, and bullpen to look like.

 

Here's my ideal lineup and rotation:

 

1. Ellsbury, CF

2. Crawford, LF

3. Pedroia, 2B

4. Gonzalez, 1B

5. Ortiz, DH (Yup, I resign him, and the Sox will too)

6. Middlebrooks, 3B

7. Lavarnway, C

8. Kalish/Ross, RF

9. Iglesias, SS

 

Rotation:

 

1. Lester

2. Buchholz

3. Doubront

4. Morales

5. Lackey

 

Bullpen:

 

LHP Miller

LHP Breslow

RHP Aceves

RHP Bard

RHP Bailey

RHP Tazawa

RHP Wilson

[mvp 78]

So basically the same .500 team that you currently want to "punch in the face."

 

Wonderful.

[SoxFanForsyth]

So basically the same .500 team that you currently want to "punch in the face."

 

Wonderful.

 

No Beckett. No Salty. No Aviles.

 

Not really the same at all, actually.

 

And besides, we'll have an offseason thread for "Go trade for _____, go sign _____". This is more of a basic starting point.

[Station 13]

What do you want the 2013 Red Sox to look like? This isn't an offseason thread per se, since we don't know who is going to be available, but more of a discussion about what you want the '13 lineup, rotation, and bullpen to look like.

 

Here's my ideal lineup and rotation:

 

1. Ellsbury, CF

2. Crawford, LF

3. Pedroia, 2B

4. Gonzalez, 1B

5. Ortiz, DH (Yup, I resign him, and the Sox will too)

6. Middlebrooks, 3B

7. Lavarnway, C

8. Kalish/Ross, RF

9. Iglesias, SS

 

Rotation:

 

1. Lester

2. Buchholz

3. Doubront

4. Morales

5. Lackey

 

Bullpen:

 

LHP Miller

LHP Breslow

RHP Aceves

RHP Bard

RHP Bailey

RHP Tazawa

RHP Wilson

 

Why is Ortiz hitting 5th?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Why is Ortiz hitting 5th?

 

Flip him and Gonzo, I don't care. I just think Gonzo will hit for more power next year.

[mvp 78]

No Beckett. No Salty. No Aviles.

 

Not really the same at all, actually.

 

And besides, we'll have an offseason thread for "Go trade for _____, go sign _____". This is more of a basic starting point.

 

Replaced Beckett with Lackey.

Rookie catcher who currently isn't hitting well.

SS who can't hit a lick.

This isn't much of an improvement over the 2012 Sox.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Replaced Beckett with Lackey.

Rookie catcher who currently isn't hitting well.

SS who can't hit a lick.

This isn't much of an improvement over the 2012 Sox.

 

Can't trade Lackey fresh off TJS. And besides, he's still got value in chewing up innings in the 5th slot to a 4.50 ERA.

 

Rookie catcher who posted a career .382 OBP in AAA to replace Salty, who has posted a .288 OBP with Boston. Oh, and spare me on the whole "he isn't hitting well". He's had 13 AB. Please.

 

SS who would have saved at least 2 runs so far this game alone. Sorry, but Aviles's .254/.281/.397 line isn't exactly inspiring. If we're going with a s***** shortstop, at least give me the one with a golden glove.

 

I would argue that it's a big improvement over the 2012 Sox.

[example1]

You might as well start an offseason thread. It's about that time anyway, and you will need to start early to break the record of last year's offseason thread (which I believe had the most posts of any thread in talksox history).

[DocHolliday]

You might as well start an offseason thread. It's about that time anyway' date=' and you will need to start early to break the record of last year's offseason thread (which I believe had the most posts of any thread in talksox history).[/quote']

 

I can almost guarantee this years offseason thread will be the new record thread.

 

If anyone else around here is as frustrated with this team as I am, there will be much talk about fixing this current JOKE of a team.

 

People want something positive to talk about badly with regard to this team. Soon, nobody will want to talk about this year's team with the exception of the rookie callups and why certain members of this years squad need to be long gone by next spring.

[iortiz]

Iglesias over Ciriaco? No way!

[iortiz]

I'd keep:

 

2B Peddy

1B Gonzo

3B WM

SS CIriaco

C Lavarnway

DH Ortiz

LF CC (Trade him if you can)

CF empty

RF empty

 

Rotation:

 

1st Spot --- Empty

2nd Buch

3rd Spot --- Empty

4th Lester

5th Doubront/Morales

 

 

Get rid of Beckett and Lackey.

[a700hitter]

What do you want the 2013 Red Sox to look like? This isn't an offseason thread per se, since we don't know who is going to be available, but more of a discussion about what you want the '13 lineup, rotation, and bullpen to look like.

 

Here's my ideal lineup and rotation:

 

1. Ellsbury, CF

2. Crawford, LF

3. Pedroia, 2B

4. Gonzalez, 1B

5. Ortiz, DH (Yup, I resign him, and the Sox will too)

6. Middlebrooks, 3B

7. Lavarnway, C

8. Kalish/Ross, RF

9. Iglesias, SS

 

Rotation:

 

1. Lester

2. Buchholz

3. Doubront

4. Morales

5. Lackey

 

Bullpen:

 

LHP Miller

LHP Breslow

RHP Aceves

RHP Bard

RHP Bailey

RHP Tazawa

RHP Wilson

I am not seeing any bold moves or changes here. Expecting good health and performing to career norms is not going to be enough. That was the approach taken in 2012. It didn't work this year, and it will not work next year. If Lester stays, he needs to be slotted in the 5th spot unless he re-establishes himself before the end of 2012. If he doe not re-assert himself by the end of the season, he cannot be trusted at the top of the rotation. Job #1 in the off season will be getting an ace.

[iortiz]

I am not seeing any bold moves or changes here. Expecting good health and performing to career norms is not going to be enough. That was the approach taken in 2012. It didn't work this year' date=' and it will not work next year. If Lester stays, he needs to be slotted in the 5th spot unless he re-establishes himself before the end of 2012. If he doe not re-assert himself by the end of the season, he cannot be trusted at the top of the rotation. Job #1 in the off season will be getting an ace.[/quote']

 

Well you opened my eyes and reconsidered and put Lester in the 4th spot at very best.

 

Yup, get a true ace. Unfourtunatly I don't see many options available/possible.

 

 

We'll see.

[SCM33]

SPOILER ALERT:

 

If Beckett comes back, they dont have a chance next year. Next year is already decided if they bring that ******** back.

[RedSoxNC84]

SPOILER ALERT:

 

If Beckett comes back, they dont have a chance next year. Next year is already decided if they bring that ******** back.

 

Can't put a spoiler alert on something that is generally known by everyone.

[SCM33]

Can't put a spoiler alert on something that is generally known by everyone.

 

Not true.

 

I pretty much predicted this season during last offseason and most did not agree with me.

[jung]

I really think the Sox are going to have to have the courage to make bold moves. There is simply to much broken here. While the starting pitching is the biggest problem, there is no solution in any of these guys in the rotation this year with the exception of Buch. Felix is not going to work his way up to 1,2 or 3 and neither is Frank. I expect Lackey to be as close to s*** as possible. Starting the season with that rotation as suggested is a fail before they ever play the first game in my opinion.

 

Now having not had the courage to do it this year, Sox Management may be willing to admit that 2013 will be a bridge year. Baring that, they will need something like what the Celtics did when they were unable to get Kevin Durant. They pulled off the KG, Ray Allan deal and ended up with a Championship out of that effort. The Sox need that sort of makeover only in MLB terms instead of NBA terms.

 

Unfortunately, I don't think anybody will take Lackey iortiz although I think Beckett can be moved as long as the Sox are willing to eat salary.

 

I might even look to change over the whole makeup of the team. Trade Pedey and put Ciriaco at 2nd with Iggy at SS and Aviles the utility infielder. Getting rid of Punto should be obvious. Getting rid of Pedey without bringing in a replacement would be gambling that Iggy hits well enough as the everyday SS but under the circumstances, that gamble may be a better gamble than betting that guys like Pedey will ever be what he once was for this team. I think it is at least an even bet that Pedey has f***ed himself royally as far as being a Red Sox for a career is concerned. He has unfortunately splattered himself with the same mud that stains so many of the vets on this team. Maybe Pedey as part of a multi player deal becomes a deal that gets you a real starting pitcher.

 

I give Ortiz a two year deal at this point and get it done. However I would sit Ortiz down and tell him that the trade off for a two year deal is that he shuts the f*** up about embarrassed and insulted etc etc. Shut up and play. You want to strut around Mr "this is my clubhouse". Then make it a clubhouse you should be proud of, not this mess. Shut up, play and actually walk the walk of a leader instead of just talking the talk.

 

Move Beckett. Move Lester if possible. The only way I keep Lester is if I make a move to a pitching coach that has a specific plan that I believe will work to bring Lester back. If not, move Lester. We are stuck with Lackey as nobody will take him until he pitches. So we would start the season with Buch, Lackey, Felix. Frank and probably Lester and Cook. Pen guys are Aceves, Miller, Atch, Bailey, Breslow, and either Bard or Tazawa and whoever the hell else they toss in there.

 

If I keep Pedey and put Ciriaco at SS with Aviles the utility guy, I would trade Ells. Get him outta' here while we can. The more I see of him, the more I am beginning to feel like he will never have a season like 2011 again, nor anything even close to it and the Sox simply have no room for him and Crawford on the same roster. The Sox also have no way out of the Crawford contract. Trade Ells. Bring somebody in here to play Center for a year or get by with some combination of OF including Kalish covering CF until Bradley gets here in 2014.

 

Trading Pedey probably makes more sense. I really am beginning to think Pedey has to go. I am concerned with Pedey aging early because of the way he plays and I think that combined with the mess he made for himself this year is enough to say done and dusted. We should be able to get something done in a trade that involves Pedey. So if I had a choice between the two possible "bold" moves I would trade Pedey instead of trading Ells. But I would do one or the other. If I keep Ells I just let him play out his contract, make him an offer of an extension to see if you can pry Ells away from what his agent wants him to do but I think it more likely that Ells leaves and Bradley becomes your CF in 2014.

 

I should point out that I do not think getting Aviles was a bad move. Getting him and making him your everyday SS was the bad move. Make Aviles your utility infielder and get rid of Punto. I keep AGons as I think we will conclude that AGons was simply yet another player that f***ed himself royally trying to play to that stupid Fenway LF wall. I am disappointed that it took AGons so long to work back from that but I really think that is what happened to Agons 2012. I keep Agons, Ross, Crawford, Ciriaco, WMB, Lavs with Salty the backup. I keep Kalish here next year although you have no idea how much I wish we had Reddick. Keep Nava as a back up.

 

I get rid of Shop, Punto, Pedey or Ells (preferably Pedey) and Sweeney. I get rid of Beckett and possibly Lester. I would dearly love to get rid of Lackey but nobody will take him.

[wyo-sox]

Got thinking of this in the game thread forum today, but if its me I trade Pedroia as a means to get an ace and package Lackey or Lester with him to get one of them out of here. Do we all love Pedroia, sure.... just like we all loved Youk and holding on to him to long got us squat.

 

Forget he plays good defense, he screams when he gets out and makes nice one liners on the radio in the off season. You are left with a guy who has been sidelined by injuries over the past three years quite a bit and has not had an exceptional bat the past few years.

 

Everything is a gamble, if he has another injury or another year batting poorly while leading his team to .500, I'm afraid he won't be worth squat to us on the field or on the trade market.

 

Bottom line is I'm confident Sox could be a .500 team without Pedroia... and I think his reputation right now could yield us a true #1 ace or a bunch of prospects.

 

We all talk about blowing things up and sending messages to players and changing the culture, this does it. What say you?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

SPOILER ALERT:

 

If Beckett comes back, they dont have a chance next year. Next year is already decided if they bring that ******** back.

 

Who knows it's an odd year

[wyo-sox]

Jung I believe we were typing much the same thoughts at the same time, LOL.

[RedSoxNC84]

I really think the Sox are going to have to have the courage to make bold moves. There is simply to much broken here. While the starting pitching is the biggest problem, there is no solution in any of these guys in the rotation this year with the exception of Buch. Felix is not going to work his way up to 1,2 or 3 and neither is Frank. I expect Lackey to be as close to s*** as possible. Starting the season with that rotation as suggested is a fail before they ever play the first game in my opinion.

 

Now having not had the courage to do it this year, Sox Management may be willing to admit that 2013 will be a bridge year. Baring that, they will need something like what the Celtics did when they were unable to get Kevin Durant. They pulled off the KG, Ray Allan deal and ended up with a Championship out of that effort. The Sox need that sort of makeover only in MLB terms instead of NBA terms.

 

Unfortunately, I don't think anybody will take Lackey iortiz although I think Beckett can be moved as long as the Sox are willing to eat salary.

 

I might even look to change over the whole makeup of the team. Trade Pedey and put Ciriaco at 2nd with Iggy at SS and Aviles the utility infielder. Getting rid of Punto should be obvious. Getting rid of Pedey without bringing in a replacement would be gambling that Iggy hits well enough as the everyday SS but under the circumstances, that gamble may be a better gamble than betting that guys like Pedey will ever be what he once was for this team. I think it is at least an even bet that Pedey has f***ed himself royally as far as being a Red Sox for a career is concerned. He has unfortunately splattered himself with the same mud that stains so many of the vets on this team. Maybe Pedey as part of a multi player deal becomes a deal that gets you a real starting pitcher.

 

I give Ortiz a two year deal at this point and get it done. However I would sit Ortiz down and tell him that the trade off for a two year deal is that he shuts the f*** up about embarrassed and insulted etc etc. Shut up and play. You want to strut around Mr "this is my clubhouse". Then make it a clubhouse you should be proud of, not this mess. Shut up, play and actually walk the walk of a leader instead of just talking the talk.

 

Move Beckett. Move Lester if possible. The only way I keep Lester is if I make a move to a pitching coach that has a specific plan that I believe will work to bring Lester back. If not, move Lester. We are stuck with Lackey as nobody will take him until he pitches. So we would start the season with Buch, Lackey, Felix. Frank and probably Lester and Cook. Pen guys are Aceves, Miller, Atch, Bailey, Breslow, and either Bard or Tazawa and whoever the hell else they toss in there.

 

If I keep Pedey and put Ciriaco at SS with Aviles the utility guy, I would trade Ells. Get him outta' here while we can. The more I see of him, the more I am beginning to feel like he will never have a season like 2011 again, nor anything even close to it and the Sox simply have no room for him and Crawford on the same roster. The Sox also have no way out of the Crawford contract. Trade Ells. Bring somebody in here to play Center for a year or get by with some combination of OF including Kalish covering CF until Bradley gets here in 2014.

 

Trading Pedey probably makes more sense. I really am beginning to think Pedey has to go. I am concerned with Pedey aging early because of the way he plays and I think that combined with the mess he made for himself this year is enough to say done and dusted. We should be able to get something done in a trade that involves Pedey. So if I had a choice between the two possible "bold" moves I would trade Pedey instead of trading Ells. But I would do one or the other. If I keep Ells I just let him play out his contract, make him an offer of an extension to see if you can pry Ells away from what his agent wants him to do but I think it more likely that Ells leaves and Bradley becomes your CF in 2014.

 

I should point out that I do not think getting Aviles was a bad move. Getting him and making him your everyday SS was the bad move. Make Aviles your utility infielder and get rid of Punto. I keep AGons as I think we will conclude that AGons was simply yet another player that f***ed himself royally trying to play to that stupid Fenway LF wall. I am disappointed that it took AGons so long to work back from that but I really think that is what happened to Agons 2012. I keep Agons, Ross, Crawford, Ciriaco, WMB, Lavs with Salty the backup. I keep Kalish here next year although you have no idea how much I wish we had Reddick. Keep Nava as a back up.

 

I get rid of Shop, Punto, Pedey or Ells (preferably Pedey) and Sweeney. I get rid of Beckett and possibly Lester. I would dearly love to get rid of Lackey but nobody will take him.

 

How are you not the Sox GM right now?

[v2freak]

It's way too hard to predict. Everyone has been just so wildly inconsistent, it's not even funny. Buchholz is returning to form again (knock on wood) but he put up several horrendous starts to begin the season. Doubrant and Cook are ridiculously all-or-nothing. People were ready to kill Gonzalez when he was hitting .255 earlier in the season. Aviles started off well and seemed to cool off when he was no long leading off. Crawford's progress is a roller coaster. How can anyone get firm results from these samples??

 

I actually do like this team. It's hard to root for a team that's always losing, but I don't attribute their losing to a lack of effort. I honestly think that they cannot play better right now. I'm glad I'm not GM because I don't know who I would keep.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I see a lot of "Get rid of so-and-so" and "Bring someone in for X position", but I'm not seeing any suggestions as to whom to replace them with. People want to get rid of Lackey, Beckett, AND Lester. So who is going to pitch for the Sox next season? It's all well and good to want to get rid of half the team, but you need to have solid names to suggest as replacements.

[jung]

Beckett is not solid now. The Sox don't need to find a 1 or a 2 specifically to have a direct performance replacement for Beckett. Guys pitching as well as Beckett is pitching are all over the league. So getting somebody to pitch as well as Beckett is pitching should not be much of a challenge.

 

People want to move Lackey but everybody acknowledges that nobody will touch Lackey with a ten foot pole. So like it or not he is here. Lester is the question mark. Since the Sox will need a new pitching coach for next year, I would hold out hope that a pitching coach can be brought in here that has a plan for helping Lester make a return to at least some semblance of his former self as opposed to where he is now. If however that is not going to work out, then getting somebody in here to pitch as good as Lester is pitching now should not be any problem cause Lester is pitching like s***. Find a 4 or a 5 someplace and insert him into the rotation....walla....Lester at half the money.

 

I am tongue in cheek to some extent here but I would not be grinding my teeth that hard about finding a guy that can be a direct replacement for Beckett and even one for Lester if need be because they are pitching like your run of the mill, stinko ML pitcher.

 

One reason for moving Pedey is that he is a relative salary bargain and he could be the center piece of a multiplayer combination that would bring back a high level pitcher, one that might be a 1 here since there is nobody in that role currently. The Sox 2013 infield would be made up of guys that are already in the Sox system. So they would not need to bring in another 2nd baseman if they moved Pedey.

 

Look, there is just no sense in talking about this team in terms of nibbling at the edges of issues. They just lost without even looking competitive to the Guardians....the 1-11 Guardians of the last 12 games. They struck out something like 12 times against the worst pitching staff in baseball...they drew 1 walk from the team that walks more batters than anybody in baseball. They were 1 for 11 with runners on.

 

If anything they are lucky that Youk is gone and lucky that making Pedey the center piece of a mulitiplayer trade could well be enough to send the right message to the rest of the players on this team, changing both the culture of the team and provide a catalyst to change the offensive characteristics of the team. It might even be enough to allow a manager to determine what he would like the offensive characteristics to be. Would be nice to have an offense that we could actually identify as something more than accidental offense for a change.

 

This is a bad baseball team. It no longer matters what we think of Pedey or Ells or this guy or that guy as individuals....this is a bad baseball team. They must change the profile of this team. I think they should consider themselves lucky that moving Beckett out of here and moving Pedey out of here, moving the empty uniforms out of here and moving in guys already in the Sox system, might be the only changes they can realistically make this year and may in fact be enough especially if we get a true top of the rotation guy in here as well.

 

They may not be able to solve the starting pitching issues in one off season. They are deep and broad. So, it might not happen. However they have to move in the right direction and away from where they are now. From a player perspective, that means they have to deal with the players that are at the core of the team, both in the rotation and in the corp of everyday players. They either have to move them or bring them in line. In fact, I believe they have to do both.

 

If this management cuts Lackey any slack at all, they will need to have their heads examined. He has to be here to rehab...when he does finally pitch next year....either get him in line or sit his ass down. He wants to be a perennial *******, there is not much they can do with him while in rehab but once he is back to pitching again, deny him the mound if he will not stop the ********. What the hell does it matter...he will very likely pitch like s*** anyway. You want to pitch John Lackey...smarten up.

 

David Ortiz, you want your two year deal....smarten up...cut the ********. You can have your two year deal but in trade, I want a real team player, not somebody that talks about being a team player. Bring Lackey in line. Bring Ortiz in line. Get rid of Beckett and Pedey and the empty uniforms and they may well have done enough to actually change the direction of this death spiral the Sox are on.

[Palodios]

Not true.

 

I pretty much predicted this season during last offseason and most did not agree with me.

 

You always say this... but the discussion on Beckett was 50/50. I've been saying to trade the bum since 2008, and there are plenty who agreed with me.

[cbbosox]

Not sure about next year but after sept 1 i want this to happen

Crawford gets his surgery

 

C-Lavarnway

1b-Gonzalez

2b-Pedroia

ss-Iglesias

3b-Middlebrooks

cf-Ellsbury

lf-rf combination of Kalish-Linares and Ross

Dh- Ortiz

Ciricao playing 3-4 times a week subbing at 2b-ss-3b

 

Not much you can do with the rotation-just don't wear out Morales,Doubront ,Aceves or Lester(like it or not we have to count on these guys next year)

[SoxFanForsyth]

Guys obviously my rotation isn't an ideal rotation, but you have to be realistic about things.

 

1. When (it's not even an if) we trade Beckett, we are going to get a B level prospect and eat money. That's just the way it is. We're trading him off a putrid season filled with DL stints. We aren't going to get a MLB caliber player, much less someone who can help this team in 2013.

 

2. Everyone wants to go out and get "an ace". Great. That's like in college when I wanted to go out and pick up some chicks. Like I could just go to the store and grab a couple and bring them home. It doesn't work that way. What pitcher is available that will come in and lead this staff? Because right now, I don't see it. And on top of that, even if someone like Felix DID become available via trade, I'm not too amped up about giving up a 19 year old phenom who is in AA ball already and hit a bomb in his 1st game. Nor am I wanting to give up Ellsbury's replacement in Bradley, and we all know that we have zero SP depth in the minors, so I'm certainly not going to deal Barnes or Owens.

 

3. People who want to trade Pedroia and Ellsbury. Why?? It makes no sense. It really doesn't. You're selling extremely low on both guys. Pedroia is having a career worst season. He took up for his teammate, realized he said something he shouldn't have, and then later apologized for it, saying he shouldn't have said that. Don't believe me? Here's his quotes. (Link here)

 

“I like Bobby,” he said. “I had a relationship with [Terry Francona] over time. Me and Bobby get along great. I think the perception is that because I stood up for my teammate earlier in the year. Bobby said some things, and I talked to Bobby about that. Bobby looked at me and he said, ‘Hey, I would have said the same thing.’

 

“That whole thing deal was weird because it was that 10 o’clock game. So I got to the yard at 7:45 in the morning and I was the first one here and all the media came in and asked me about it. I don’t read much anymore, so I got the questions and I didn’t even read what was said before I commented, and I wish I would have done that. I told Bobby that.

 

And I'll tell you something else. After last season, I thought that Ellsbury was going to be a 150mm player. But now, I'm not so sure. I see absolutely no reason as to why we wouldn't let him live out his contract and then try to talk to him. He had 1 good season, sandwiched between two putrid, injury ridden seasons. You want to trade him? Great, you're not going to get much out of him because any bidder is going to constantly bring up his injuries and that his 2011 season was just a redux of Joe Mauer's 2009 year. You're simply not going to get an equal return for Ellsbury.

 

And going back to trading Pedroia and putting Ciriaco at 2nd, come on guys. That's absolutely ridiculous. This is exactly what everyone was screaming when Nava was on a heater and was hitting well because of a .400 BABIP fueled hot streak.

 

Ciriaco's BABIP right now is .406!!! That's ridiculous. And he's only hitting .341! With that high of a BABIP, he should be in the .360's or .380's. His BABIP will regress. They always do. On top of that, he's got a 17.1% K% and a 1.1% BB%. You want this offense to hit consistently? This is the exact opposite of what you need. You need guys who grind out at bats and get on base at a high clip because they have the ability to work walks. Not guys who strike out 17X more than they walk.

[wyo-sox]

What's does not make sense is keeping this horse and pony show together. You are right Pedroias trade value is low.... but I bet would still be really good.... and it could get much worse next year (see Youk). I just think there has to be a major change, a major shift. This team does need re focused with a plan. It does not need tweaked, it needs blown up.

[Bellhorn04]

Trading Pedroia is definitely one of the worst suggestions I've heard.

[SoxFanForsyth]

What's does not make sense is keeping this horse and pony show together. You are right Pedroias trade value is low.... but I bet would still be really good.... and it could get much worse next year (see Youk). I just think there has to be a major change' date=' a major shift. This team does need re focused with a plan. It does not need tweaked, it needs blown up.[/quote']

 

Trading Pedroia is not the answer, nor is trading Ellsbury.

 

Just because this has been a miserable season doesn't mean that you have to trade high quality players for 75 cents on the dollar, or worse.

 

You're already going to take a hit on trading Beckett. If you want to trade Lester, you're going to take a hit. If you want to trade Lackey, you're going to get bombed.

 

There isn't a player on this team who you can trade and expect to get equal value in return.

 

My point is that you're going to get crushed by the trades of Beckett, Lester, Lackey, etc. So why would you also put yourself in a position to get crushed by trades of two core players on top of that?