So you're the Sox' GM...What's your plan?

[a700hitter]

Didn't know where else to post this but Mark Prior has now logged 17 1/3 innings at Pawtucket. His ERA is 3.12 and he has 30 strikeouts for a ratio of 15.5 for 9 innings. Why not bring him up. He has been going 2 innings at a clip.

[Orange Juiced]

Didn't know where else to post this but Mark Prior has now logged 17 1/3 innings at Pawtucket. His ERA is 3.12 and he has 30 strikeouts for a ratio of 15.5 for 9 innings. Why not bring him up. He has been going 2 innings at a clip.

 

The issue would be cutting someone from the 40-man roster. So it might not make sense. But yeah, this is a pretty nice story...hope he can help at some point.

[Laser Show]

Have you seen his BB/9? He's walking something like 9 per 9. I think he could definitely help us out somewhere though.

[a700hitter]

Have you seen his BB/9? He's walking something like 9 per 9. I think he could definitely help us out somewhere though.

Yes, I have noticed the walks. He has had some outings where he will walk 2 or 3 but strike out 4 or 5.

[Elktonnick]

OK' date=' to rephrase, I don't think we could make trades for Crawford or Lackey that would be anything but prohibitively stupid. We could probably trade Lackey for a low-level prospect if we paid 90% of his remaining contract.[/quote']

 

I disagree. While it may seem prohibitavely stupid it would be even dumber to keep someone who was hurting your team badly. Sometimes you have to write off bad decisions because it is more expensive to maintain them. I think that is where the Red Sox are with Beckett certainly Crawford would be easier to move than Lackey. Although if he continues to play the way he has that market is collapsing rapidly.

[Orange Juiced]

My only hope with respect to Lackey is this: a lot of pitchers, having undergone TJ surgery, come back throwing harder and more effectively than they were before the surgery. So maybe Lackey returns in 2013 throwing 94 mph instead of 91, kind of like he was early in his career, and he regains the form he once had. He is a pretty gritty competitor so if he can regain some lost velocity he could actually be pretty solid.

 

That's the hope anyway.

[SoxSport]

I disagree. While it may seem prohibitavely stupid it would be even dumber to keep someone who was hurting your team badly. Sometimes you have to write off bad decisions because it is more expensive to maintain them. I think that is where the Red Sox are with Beckett certainly Crawford would be easier to move than Lackey. Although if he continues to play the way he has that market is collapsing rapidly.

 

The problem with writing off bad decisions is they become bad decisions and somebody has to be held accountable. And accountability is a problem on the Red Sox.

[mvp 78]

1. I ask for LL to step down.

2. Find an ace. Empty the farm if necessary.

3. Find a more permanent coaching staff.

[italstallianion]

1. I ask for LL to step down.

2. Find an ace. Empty the farm if necessary.

3. Find a more permanent coaching staff.

 

 

If you're looking for an ace with a focus on the future seasons rather than this season then I agree. I don't think a single ace pitcher will salvage our season to the point whereby it'd be worth further depleting our farm system for a shot at the playoffs.

[mvp 78]

Yeah, it's not about this season anymore.

[SoxSport]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2012/07/its_time_to_blo.html

 

Cafardo says it's time to blow up the roster. Four years without winning a playoff game is enough.

 

What he doesn't say is it's time to blow up the front office.

[SouthieFanatic]

Brewers GM said Greinke WILL be traded by the deadline, but to who? Not sure what they'd ask for him from us but you'd have to think Lester and Barnes would be the top pitchers in the deal

[SemperFi Sox]

Brewers GM said Greinke WILL be traded by the deadline' date=' but to who? Not sure what they'd ask for him from us but[b'] you'd have to think Lester and [/b]Barnes would be the top pitchers in the deal

 

LMAO .. no just no

[Meh]

2. Find an ace. Empty the farm if necessary.

 

How about one of Bogarts, Barnes or Bradley for Cliff Lee? Also throw in two lesser tier prospects who could be an impact in the bullpen, like Britton, Ranaudo, Wislon, or Workman?

 

Beckett to the Pirates in a deal similiar to the AJ Burnett deal. You pay 60% of his salary for two low level, low ceiling prospects.

 

Lee

Lester

Buchholz

Morales

Doubrant

 

Bullpen:

Bard

Bailey

Melancon

Tazawa

etc

[SouthieFanatic]

LMAO .. no just no

 

You think they'd take just Lester? With the way he's playing? That's a joke

[SemperFi Sox]

How about one of Bogarts, Barnes or Bradley for Cliff Lee? Also throw in two lesser tier prospects who could be an impact in the bullpen, like Britton, Ranaudo, Wislon, or Workman?

 

Beckett to the Pirates in a deal similiar to the AJ Burnett deal. You pay 60% of his salary for two low level, low ceiling prospects.

 

Lee

Lester

Buchholz

Morales

Doubrant

 

Bullpen:

Bard

Bailey

Melancon

Tazawa

etc

 

Lee is about to turn 36, f*** give up one of the killer bees.

[alphilip77]

You think they'd take just Lester? With the way he's playing? That's a joke

 

I think he's opposed to your proposal because we'd be trading a guy who (outside of this year and late August/all of September) has proven he can pitch to some degree of success in the AL East along with a prospect who has a ceiling of a #2 pitcher for a pitcher with anxiety issues that would be exacerbated by the Boston market/media, who would also require ANOTHER huge contract since the FO would not give up significant pieces for a 2 month rental.

 

Or maybe he doesn't like pitchers whose names are Zach.

[SouthieFanatic]

I didn't say I'd want to trade Barnes for Greinke. Im saying they'd be after him in the deal if it were to happen

[example1]

Lee or Greinke? Neither, thanks.

 

Lee is another version of pitchers we already have: he's older, very expensive, and not pitching well.

 

Greinke is a FA after this season.

 

I've said it about 3 times now, but the Sox have to go after only pitchers who are cost controlled and only pitchers who are young and healthy. Three categories. To restate:

 

1) Cost-Controlled

2) Young (i.e., 26 or younger)

3) Healthy

 

 

Look at the best pitchers in the game. Almost all of them were top draft picks, stay with the team that drafted them, or at one time cost an absurd amount of prospects and money to get.

 

Greinke and Lee would be lost causes. If they had nabbed Greinke about 2 years ago I would be singing a different tune. Same with Lee. But ZG will be leaving next year (and the Sox literally don't matter as a team right now) and Lee would be a financial albatross. If they could move Lee for Beckett and some money I would consider it, but otherwise no chance in hell.

 

The pitchers the Sox are coveting right now are most likely guys most of us haven't heard of, and haven't seen pitch. Julio Teheren, Jameson Tallion, Garrett Cole, Trevor Bauer, Taijuan Walker, etc.,

 

It seems to me that 5 years ago, conventional wisdom said there was a 50/50 chance that highly touted prospects would make it to the big leagues. Now that number seems closer to an 85/15 chance. The Sox (and most other teams) can now reasonably scout players and know, often very early on, that they will have MLB caliber skills.

 

So the cut-off line between "tradeable" prospect and "unmoveable" prospect has moved down. Previously it would be zero or one prospect, now it is often 3-5 prospects, with a few in the margins.

 

Move Brandon Jacobs? That might be too much value to give up for 1-2 years of an established MLB pitcher on a team that is competing for the 2nd wildcard spot.

 

Move Xander Bogaerts? Absolutely not.

[mvp 78]

Yeah, Lee and Greinke are #2's.

 

You empty the farm for King Felix and pitchers like that.

[SemperFi Sox]

Hearing Cherington on D&C makes me want to puke. The FO is so delusional.

[SemperFi Sox]

u think jerez us good. he sux

 

7 posts and i can already see a TROLL.

[User Name]

Lee or Greinke? Neither, thanks.

 

Lee is another version of pitchers we already have: he's older, very expensive, and not pitching well.

 

Greinke is a FA after this season.

 

I've said it about 3 times now, but the Sox have to go after only pitchers who are cost controlled and only pitchers who are young and healthy. Three categories. To restate:

 

1) Cost-Controlled

2) Young (i.e., 26 or younger)

3) Healthy

 

 

Look at the best pitchers in the game. Almost all of them were top draft picks, stay with the team that drafted them, or at one time cost an absurd amount of prospects and money to get.

 

Greinke and Lee would be lost causes. If they had nabbed Greinke about 2 years ago I would be singing a different tune. Same with Lee. But ZG will be leaving next year (and the Sox literally don't matter as a team right now) and Lee would be a financial albatross. If they could move Lee for Beckett and some money I would consider it, but otherwise no chance in hell.

 

The pitchers the Sox are coveting right now are most likely guys most of us haven't heard of, and haven't seen pitch. Julio Teheren, Jameson Tallion, Garrett Cole, Trevor Bauer, Taijuan Walker, etc.,

 

It seems to me that 5 years ago, conventional wisdom said there was a 50/50 chance that highly touted prospects would make it to the big leagues. Now that number seems closer to an 85/15 chance. The Sox (and most other teams) can now reasonably scout players and know, often very early on, that they will have MLB caliber skills.

 

So the cut-off line between "tradeable" prospect and "unmoveable" prospect has moved down. Previously it would be zero or one prospect, now it is often 3-5 prospects, with a few in the margins.

 

Move Brandon Jacobs? That might be too much value to give up for 1-2 years of an established MLB pitcher on a team that is competing for the 2nd wildcard spot.

 

Move Xander Bogaerts? Absolutely not.

 

The problem is that the Sox don't have the major league OR minor league depth to acquire a guy like Teheran or the Canadian Strasburg. No on Bauer, who's about as wild as Charlie Sheen at a party hosted by Lindsay Lohan.

 

Acquiring the assets on the pitching front that the Red Sox sorely will be a challenge of enormous proportions.

[SoxSport]

MLB rumors this morning has some quotes from Joel Sherman saying the Red Sox want Crawford gone "in the worst way" and they wanted to flip Crawford to Miami to improve their SS situation (aka Hanley?). But the talks never got serious. Translated to me, he's saying the Sox initiated the talks but the Marlins didn't bite on Crawford.

 

Amazing how that's the opposite of what came out initially. The Marlins were supposed to have initiated the talks, and the Red Sox declined. It's understandable now why they had to deny this. The caveat is do you believe Sherman--a NY writer? They are always trying to make the Red Sox look bad.

 

Hanley is being given the MVP treatment in the media--as if the Dodgers pulled off a spectacular deal--eating a 40 million dollar headache. Same treatment for Ichiro--who suddenly got 10 years younger going to NY. With the network media, it's about the big markets--NY and LA. MLB TV has been gushing over the Dodgers and the Yankees lately.

[SoxSport]

Hearing Cherington on D&C makes me want to puke. The FO is so delusional.

 

The holdovers are still there. You don't expect them to admit their errors, do you?

[Bellhorn04]

Hanley is being given the MVP treatment in the media--as if the Dodgers pulled off a spectacular deal--eating a 40 million dollar headache. Same treatment for Ichiro--who suddenly got 10 years younger going to NY. With the network media' date=' it's about the big markets--NY and LA. MLB TV has been gushing over the Dodgers and the Yankees lately.[/quote']

 

In reality though the Hanley & Ichiro moves are very different...Ichiro was actually a low-cost, low-impact deal but probably a smart one by the Yanks.

[sleepyhollow]

I listened to Cherington on D&C, and I'm ready to puke. He never really replies directly to any questions just avoids it. Hmmm and Hmmmms and oh hmmmmm.

He's staying pat....no suprise there.

Cherries still thinks we can make the playoffs, he's delusional as all he ll.

[a700hitter]

I listened to Cherington on D&C, and I'm ready to puke. He never really replies directly to any questions just avoids it. Hmmm and Hmmmms and oh hmmmmm.

He's staying pat....no suprise there.

Cherries still thinks we can make the playoffs, he's delusional as all he ll.

He is in over his head. He doesn't have a creative bone in his body. He is simply a gopher and personal assistant that has been promoted to puppet. I can't even listen to the guy. He can barely express a coherent thought. He is a boob. I tagged him with that on day one and everyone got up in arms and mocked me for it. This guy is doing his best to live up to the nickname.

[SemperFi Sox]

Cherington tries to sound likes Epstein. "You have to look through the right lens..blah blah"

[a700hitter]

Cherington tries to sound likes Epstein. "You have to look through the right lens..blah blah"

At least Epstein was a coherent mealy mouth.