6/23 vs Chipper's Senior Living Center

[kapsis21]

Might piss people off' date=' but I think we ought to explore trading him.[/quote']

 

agreed. someone who is need of a quality OFer for everyday. but i would miss him. Crawford is not even close for whatever he has done in Boston uniform.

[Station 13]

Gonzalez should bat 8th

[kapsis21]

wanted to see WMB hit again..

 

yep tripple is all he needed

[FredLynn]

.265/.340/.400/.740

 

8HR/40RBI

 

Still respectable numbers.

So why not trade high, if we can find a GM who we can fool about Nava, and get a player or prospect better than that. Nava is unlikely to crack our starting OF if everyone is healthy.

[SemperFi Sox]

I don't even think Nava has 8 HR power.

[FredLynn]

Orioles lose. Yankees up a run in the ninth.

[SCM33]

Still respectable numbers.

So why not trade high, if we can find a GM who we can fool about Nava, and get a player or prospect better than that. Nava is unlikely to crack our starting OF if everyone is healthy.

 

Were not going to fool anyone. This isn't 1950 where scouting was antiquated.

 

He is what he is and everyone except for a couple people around here know it.

[Rdsxmbnt]

.265/.340/.400/.740

 

8HR/40RBI

 

That's his ceiling? That seems like a floor at this point.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't even think Nava has 8 HR power.

 

He's an awesome leadoff hitter right now.

[Cocos Disciples]

.265/.340/.400/.740

 

8HR/40RBI

 

Are you talking about this year? If so, you basically predict him to be terrible for the rest of the year? He'd have to OBP about .270 from here on out to get down to .340 for the year, assuming he totals about 350 PA on the year (seems reasonable).

[SCM33]

That's his ceiling? That seems like a floor at this point.

 

If he were to get 550 AB's, yeah.

 

That will never happen though, because people who make a lot more money than us would never allow a below average player to get that many AB's.

[mvp 78]

I don't even think Nava has 8 HR power.

 

For his whole career? Maybe.

[SCM33]

Are you talking about this year? If so' date=' you basically predict him to be terrible for the rest of the year? He'd have to OBP about .270 from here on out to get down to .340 for the year, assuming he totals about 350 PA on the year (seems reasonable).[/quote']

 

No, that was what I think his numbers would look like if he were a year in year out everyday player.

[FredLynn]

Were not going to fool anyone. This isn't 1950 where scouting was antiquated.

 

He is what he is and everyone except for a couple people around here know it.

 

You are probably right, but I hope they are looking into it anyway.

[jung]

Well it has taken Nava a long time to get anywhere because he has used all of this time to become a really smart baseball player. He must have been like a sponge this whole time. That is why he is here. He has studied hard, learned well and puts all of it to good use.

 

So what he has is not likely to go away. He has a nice compact swing and he takes good swings at good pitches to hit. Goes the opposite way when he should. You can tell that he gets overpowered by guys that the really talented hitters can still hit so that is his ceiling if you will.

 

I don't believe he will hit this good for a major league career or even a full season. For one thing not only can he be overpowered by somebody that just has good stuff (does not have to be great stuff), he likely has a spot in the strike zone that he just cannot get to, where he can be overpowered pretty easily. That is a spot where with two strikes, he has to protect the plate and just cannot get to a particular pitch.

 

All of that said, based on what I have seen so far, I have no doubt that he can start for somebody in MLB. Just look at the teams that are not that good and the guys playing for them. Then look at the teams that would love to have Nava as their backup outfielder. So to me he is either a starting OF for some teams or a backup OF for others. However unless there is some flaw in his game, yet to be exposed that is so weak that once discovered really makes it easy to get him out, this guy is a ML OF to me.

 

You don't see many players like him.

[Cocos Disciples]

No' date=' that was what I think his numbers would look like if he were a year in year out everyday player.[/quote']

 

Gotcha. That sounds reasonable. For the record, I don't think he is going to last at this level of play. He's been great and when Ellsbury and Crawford come back I think he'll be a very good 4th outfielder.

[Bellhorn04]

No' date=' that was what I think his numbers would look like if he were a year in year out everyday player.[/quote']

 

Based on what...he's got so little MLB history. And I could be wrong but I don't remember too many guys in a Sox uniform putting up a .450+ OBP for their first 140+ PA's in a season.

[Cocos Disciples]

I love how Mitch Williams, when a guy goes ahead in the count 0-2, says that the pitcher has 4 chances to get him with a bad pitch. Yeah man, that's probably why you walked 7.1 per 9 in your career.

[FredLynn]

Game over. Nava really put this one out of reach. Before his two out two run single it was real iffy.

Go Mets.

[Station 13]

Mitch Williams is a stupid f***.

[SCM33]

Based on what...he's got so little MLB history. And I could be wrong but I don't remember too many guys in a Sox uniform putting up a .450+ OBP for their first 140+ PA's in a season.

 

Based on translating his minor league numbers to the big league level. Hes 29 and has been at AAA for 3 years.

 

Hes not a prospect. He is 29.

[SCM33]

I love how Mitch Williams' date=' when a guy goes ahead in the count 0-2, says that the pitcher has 4 chances to get him with a bad pitch. Yeah man, that's probably why you walked 7.1 per 9 in your career.[/quote']

 

Yeah, earlier in the game he said backup catchers should be able to play defense, call a game and hit 1 or 2 home runs every week.

 

When you to the math, that would translate to between 24-48 home runs a year. So in his eyes, a backup catcher should hit 24-48 home runs a year.

 

He was difficult to listen to tonight.

[Bellhorn04]

Based on translating his minor league numbers to the big league level. Hes 29 and has been at AAA for 3 years.

 

Hes not a prospect. He is 29.

 

Fair enough. I've been watching the Sox a long time, though, and I haven't seen many players have a better on-base stretch than he is having for this long.

[jung]

He is basically a terrible analyst I think. He did have what I thought was an accurate comment on Miller but other than that one gem in the rough...he was pretty hard to listen to tonight.

[BornToRun]

Nick swisher seriously needs to have his ass kicked. That s*** eating grin kills a puppy every time he does it.

 

 

Yeah, the Yankees won.

[BornToRun]

He is basically a terrible analyst I think. He did have what I thought was an accurate comment on Miller but other than that one gem in the rough...he was pretty hard to listen to tonight.

 

Think of the poor bastards that had to watch him pitch.

[kapsis21]

Nick swisher seriously needs to have his ass kicked. That s*** eating grin kills a puppy every time he does it.

 

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:lol:

[kapsis21]

He is basically a terrible analyst I think. He did have what I thought was an accurate comment on Miller but other than that one gem in the rough...he was pretty hard to listen to tonight.

 

so what you want, i love his hippie mentality talk. he is a goofball. but i dont mind him. its the dodgers and yankee broadcasters i can fell asleep to

[Cocos Disciples]

so what you want' date=' i love his hippie mentality talk. he is a goofball. but i dont mind him. its the [b']dodgers[/b] and yankee broadcasters i can fell asleep to

You don't like Vin Scully???

[kapsis21]

Well it has taken Nava a long time to get anywhere because he has used all of this time to become a really smart baseball player. He must have been like a sponge this whole time. That is why he is here. He has studied hard, learned well and puts all of it to good use.

 

So what he has is not likely to go away. He has a nice compact swing and he takes good swings at good pitches to hit. Goes the opposite way when he should. You can tell that he gets overpowered by guys that the really talented hitters can still hit so that is his ceiling if you will.

 

I don't believe he will hit this good for a major league career or even a full season. For one thing not only can he be overpowered by somebody that just has good stuff (does not have to be great stuff), he likely has a spot in the strike zone that he just cannot get to, where he can be overpowered pretty easily. That is a spot where with two strikes, he has to protect the plate and just cannot get to a particular pitch.

 

All of that said, based on what I have seen so far, I have no doubt that he can start for somebody in MLB. Just look at the teams that are not that good and the guys playing for them. Then look at the teams that would love to have Nava as their backup outfielder. So to me he is either a starting OF for some teams or a backup OF for others. However unless there is some flaw in his game, yet to be exposed that is so weak that once discovered really makes it easy to get him out, this guy is a ML OF to me.

 

You don't see many players like him.

 

well said sir well said. i think no other team would want him but i would rather have him play for us.. he is like those guys that plays well with the team that brings you up. you trade him and his value goes down. so you gotta play him while his hot streak continues