6/10 v Nats

[Bellhorn04]

1-5 on a home stand is brutal. I don't remember bad Red Sox teams doing that bad at home.

 

Now 14-19 at Fenway this year. That just ain't right.

[a700hitter]

Wow. Yeah. Aceves has done GREAT as a closer. His 6.19 ERA in Save Situations has been brilliant. What a bunch of idiots. Likely the Saturday morning show on CSNNE.

Is that the one with Merloni and a host of others?

[FredLynn]

Mighty Mouth complaining about balls and strikes after today's loss:

 

"Yeah, it's pretty disappointing," Pedroia said of the umpires after Sunday's loss. "We're trying to compete, everyone is, both teams, and you don't want them to come into play and stuff like that. It's hard enough playing the game against good pitching and good players. So it's pretty disappointing."

 

He really should shut up and perform. Gonzobum isn't doing anything to help the team, but at least he keeps his mouth shut.

[SoxFanForsyth]

1-5 on a home stand is brutal. I don't remember bad Red Sox teams doing that bad at home.

 

Yeah. It's pretty unbelievable that they can't win at home.

 

They've got a +1 run differential at home. That's pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Is that the one with Merloni and a host of others?

 

Yeah. Usually Lou has a good perspective, but sometimes he falls in love with a guy and they can do no wrong.

[a700hitter]

Now 14-19 at Fenway this year. That just ain't right.

As long as I can remember, the Sox always played better than .500 at home. For all the good that this ownership has brought us as fans, there has been some very negative stuff. It will be a first in my memory if we end up with a better road than home a record, and I don't know when they last played under .500 ball at home.

[a700hitter]

Yeah. Usually Lou has a good perspective' date=' but sometimes he falls in love with a guy and they can do no wrong.[/quote']I think McAdams made the statement. Is that the same show?

[FredLynn]

We're still better than them.

 

Better than who? We aren't better than the Rays, the Yankees, the Orioles, the Jays, the Nats, or the Marlins. All those teams have better records than the Flops. We are better than the Cubs so I expect a win in Chicago.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Mighty Mouth complaining about balls and strikes after today's loss:

 

"Yeah, it's pretty disappointing," Pedroia said of the umpires after Sunday's loss. "We're trying to compete, everyone is, both teams, and you don't want them to come into play and stuff like that. It's hard enough playing the game against good pitching and good players. So it's pretty disappointing."

 

He really should shut up and perform. Gonzobum isn't doing anything to help the team, but at least he keeps his mouth shut.

 

CLIPPARD v PEDROIA

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/numlocation.php-pitchSel=461325&game=gid_2012_06_10_wasmlb_bosmlb_1&batterX=75&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=3.gif

 

ACEVES v BERNADINA

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/numlocation.php-pitchSel=469686&game=gid_2012_06_10_wasmlb_bosmlb_1&batterX=70&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=3.gif

 

You tell me. How is pitch 3 to Pedroia a strike, but pitches 2 and 4 to Bernadina are both balls?? That umpire was a huge piece of s***.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I think McAdams made the statement. Is that the same show?

 

Yep. McAdams is a horrible reporter.

[a700hitter]

CLIPPARD v PEDROIA

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/numlocation.php-pitchSel=461325&game=gid_2012_06_10_wasmlb_bosmlb_1&batterX=75&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=3.gif

 

ACEVES v BERNADINA

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/numlocation.php-pitchSel=469686&game=gid_2012_06_10_wasmlb_bosmlb_1&batterX=70&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=3.gif

 

You tell me. How is pitch 3 to Pedroia a strike, but pitches 2 and 4 to Bernadina are both balls?? That umpire was a huge piece of s***.

I am sure that he is pissed, but the umps aren't the reason for losing 5 out of 6 on the homestand.

[FredLynn]

CLIPPARD v PEDROIA

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/numlocation.php-pitchSel=461325&game=gid_2012_06_10_wasmlb_bosmlb_1&batterX=75&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=3.gif

 

ACEVES v BERNADINA

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/cache/numlocation.php-pitchSel=469686&game=gid_2012_06_10_wasmlb_bosmlb_1&batterX=70&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=3.gif

 

You tell me. How is pitch 3 to Pedroia a strike, but pitches 2 and 4 to Bernadina are both balls?? That umpire was a huge piece of s***.

 

I know they are. And I don't give a damn. They miss pitches both ways. The umpiring has been horrible, but they are not singling out the Red Sox to s*** on.

The point is that its time to stop whining about the umpiring and blaming them for missing calls. That happens. When you complain about someone else you aren't looking at the real reason we are entrenched in last place. Its the players doing it to themselves, not the umps. They need to look in the mirror if they are looking for a reason the team sucks.

[kapsis21]

And we actually only got some timely hitting in today's game kaps. Even with that we left guys stranded even today and of the three games we probably got more timely hitting today.

 

yep agree jung, but in the 7th inning after pods got the ground out rbi it would have been nice to get the guy from 3rd with a hit to get ahead..

we have lost some real tough games this season and we havent been able to catch a break.

 

For the most part, our storyline has been either Starting pitcher like Doubbie or Lester blows to begin with and bullpen keeps it close but our offense cant get the lead, or we are in a close game with a small lead or a tie game and bullpen gives up that 1-2 runs.

we are not being consistent and i really hope this 3 series away might gets us close.

[Bellhorn04]

The team is playing s***** ball, and that's not because of the umpiring. But as a totally separate matter those charts do show an inexcusable error rate by the umpires. I don't know what can be done about it but it just isn't right. Pitches on the border you can understand, but not ones that everybody at home can easily see are well inside or outside the zone.

[FredLynn]

The team is playing s***** ball' date=' and that's not because of the umpiring. But as a totally separate matter those charts do show an inexcusable error rate by the umpires. I don't know what can be done about it but it just isn't right. Pitches on the border you can understand, but not ones that everybody at home can easily see are well inside or outside the zone.[/quote']

 

I am not sure if this poor umpiring is anything new. Could be that fangraphs is being used more to expose the errors than in years past. In any event, I am tired of hearing excuses from guys like Mighty Mouth whine about the umps.

[Elktonnick]

I've taken the formula back to all teams from last year and it's extremely accurate. Within 1-2 games of almost every team. It will straighten itself out, don't worry.

 

Sox will be fine. Put it in your sig if you'd like.

 

Accurate as to what? In order to get the results sabermetricians keep changing the exponent. It is a nice toy but only predictive within a margin of error which over the course of a season can be from three to five games. There are nurmous other issues with the formula that make interesting reading on the various sabermetric sites but quite frankly they don't change the outcome that the Red Sox score a lot of runs over the course of the year but still suck

[Elktonnick]

The team is playing s***** ball' date=' and that's not because of the umpiring. But as a totally separate matter those charts do show an inexcusable error rate by the umpires. I don't know what can be done about it but it just isn't right. Pitches on the border you can understand, but not ones that everybody at home can easily see are well inside or outside the zone.[/quote']

 

I think the issue about the umpires is a valid one. What ball players complain about more than anything is inconsistency. I can understand an umpire missing an inside pitch to a left handed hitter for example if he misses it all day. It is when the strike zone moves that drives everyone batty. It seemed to me that we had a moveable strike zone toady.

[noreaster]

dragging these charts out to blame the umpire for losing is incredibly whiny. usually when a team wins a championship, fans realize just how good, lucky, and mentally strong a large number of players have to be to win. and after that championship, you should know that blaming the umpire when things dont go your way is a weak, piss-poor excuse. you have to find a way. this team's players should be ashamed for all their whining and it has been going on for a long time by some of the team's stars as well.

[jung]

Over the course of a season, the bad calls are going to even out. They are bad for everybody.

 

That said, the quality of the ump's work is pretty poor. There is simply to much variation between the way umps make particular calls, the method they use, the senses they rely on, one to the next and that is just for calls out on the base paths.

 

When you get to home plate, the variation between where umps position themselves behind the catcher is all over the place. As a consequence their view of the strike zone is different one to the next. I actually think that is a big part of the reason why one guy sees low strikes better than another guy who might see high strikes better and why some see the outer edge better than others.

 

You have guys that really put themselves over the catcher's shoulder between the batter and catcher. The more they position themselves that way the less they see of the outer edge of the plate. In some cases I don't understand how they are actually seeing the pitch in relation to the outer edge of the plate. They are so far over the inside edge and have gotten so low in relation to the catcher that they would have to look through the catcher to get an actual view of the outer edge. You would prefer that their point of reference for that imaginary box be the actual outer edge of the plate but all to often it is a point in space that they believe to be correct but that is not actually the edge of the plate. In fact I think that is why for some umps the damn things moves farther and farther outside as the game progresses.

 

It is tough to force yourself to watch how umps do their business behind the plate but if you force yourself to try to get a bead on it, you see some guys that appear to be better positioned to begin with making subtle adjustments to individual pitches as the pitch is on the way and I think they tend to be the better umps as far as balls and strikes are concerned. There are really very very subtle adjustments in their shoulders, neck and head so they are really hard to pick up. The umps that have really got themselves positioned over the inside edge can't make subtle adjustments. They are stuck there like some sort of statue cause you would have to move to far to improve your view and will block yourself or catch yourself completely out of position in some instances or would be moving to much yourself as the pitch is coming in making your movement just another variable.

 

I don't know if you guys remember the game but there has been an ump this year that did an even worse job of identifying the outer edge of the plate than the guy today. That guy was eventually calling balls that were a full 6" outside the black as strikes. But as bad as all that sounds, there is still the added element of individual thinking that goes into what an ump decides to use for a strike zone.

 

Some umps think that pitchers should be forced to get the ball up in the hitters wheelhouse a bit more. Others want to reward the pitcher for the low strike. It is ridiculous. Yet just as Stern does nothing about the variety of techniques in the NBA, Uncle Bud does nothing about it in MLB.

 

I would start by demanding that all umps position themselves behind the catcher exactly the same way. I am sick and tired of guys getting to position themselves where they are "comfortable". I don't care how comfortable they are. If they cannot call balls and strikes from the same place behind the catcher then get umps that can. Sure some of this has to do with the variation between how catchers catch but the catcher is still stuck for the most part in a defined area and regardless of how tall he might be, he is still in a crouch. Once you have forced umps to position themselves the same way regardless of their individual physical differences (height for example) MLB should be able to instruct their umps how they want balls and strikes called. We would go from a system that whether MLB wants to admit it or not is totally subjective to a system that would be structured and managed.

 

I do wish the players would stop allowing these umps to get under their skins to such a degree because they are defeating themselves. They lose focus and concentration and they are lost at that point.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Better than who? We aren't better than the Rays' date=' the Yankees, the Orioles, the Jays, the Nats, or the Marlins. All those teams have better records than the Flops. We are better than the Cubs so I expect a win in Chicago.[/quote']

 

Please save me that better record ********. We are definitely a better team than the Nats and Marlins. I don't give a s*** what the record says. Just like some of our players are better than their stats show.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Well thats just great to hear. I am sooooo happy for Gonzobum that he hit well in San Diego and hit a bit here last year too. Wonder how he would perform if his paychecks were dependent on his OPS. Bet he would contribute a bit more.

Checked the scores: winners include the Yankees, Rays, Orioles, and Jays. Loser Bums: Red Flops.

The team sucks. It has no intestinal fortitude and they are playing like they don't give a damn about it. We are not catching the Rays this year, and the Yankees are getting out of reach as well.

These losers deserve to be in last place for a long long time.

 

God you are such a f***ing tool. You're not even a fan of this team. Go somewhere else.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Easy to say but based on what?

 

You know nothing of the sport of baseball. I will not even bother discussing with you.

[redsoxbeatz]

This team has the record of a team being supported by part-timers, minor leaguers, and mediocre inconsistent pitching. Being six games out sucks but this team is capable of stringing some wins together and going on 7 of 10 runs. The other day when Doubront was falling apart I found myself wishing Buchholz could pitch two days straight. I think Beckett & Buchholz can anchor the rotation. Lester needs to figure out why the 3rd & 4th innings are so tough. When Ross, CC, Ellsbury return I think this team will get some new life amd motivation in them. As for Gonzalez, he just needs to earn his paycheck. Not sure why a guy with that kind of consistently proven talent/capability is in the gutter so bad. Maybe it's the pressure of that paycheck.

 

Anyway, sox sure look s***** right now but for what kind of injuries they've sustained and creating pitchers out of Doubront and Bard they are at about where any of us should expect them, especially playing in the AL f***in' East.

 

Go,sox,

[FredLynn]

God you are such a f***ing tool. You're not even a fan of this team. Go somewhere else.

 

Thanks. Thats very helpful. As the Japanese say, "I will give it my utmost consideration".

You are now on ignore.

[Lionbush]

Thanks. Thats very helpful. As the Japanese say, "I will give it my utmost consideration".

You are now on ignore.

 

It's not what you say, but how you say it that makes you sound like a tool. You always replace people names with something that attempts (but fails) to be derogatory. You make yourself come across as someone who actually enjoys the losses. Maybe you do, but I actually think that it's your wierd coping mechanism in that to try to get over a loss you deride everyone and everything on here and to do with the team.

 

It's s*** that we lost again. It's s*** that it is the same problems again. It's s*** Aceves cant even save one innings never mind a game when it matters. We are all pissed of at it, but to come in here and pretend to revel in it to make up for you own disappointment isn't what these forums are about.

[mvp 78]

 

You tell me. How is pitch 3 to Pedroia a strike, but pitches 2 and 4 to Bernadina are both balls?? That umpire was a huge piece of s***.

 

The reason it was likely called a ball was Salty set up on the otherside of the plate. He had to reach back over to catch both pitches. Still shoild be a strike though.

[mvp 78]

It's not what you say, but how you say it that makes you sound like a tool. You always replace people names with something that attempts (but fails) to be derogatory. You make yourself come across as someone who actually enjoys the losses. Maybe you do, but I actually think that it's your wierd coping mechanism in that to try to get over a loss you deride everyone and everything on here and to do with the team.

 

It's s*** that we lost again. It's s*** that it is the same problems again. It's s*** Aceves cant even save one innings never mind a game when it matters. We are all pissed of at it, but to come in here and pretend to revel in it to make up for you own disappointment isn't what these forums are about.

 

Nailed it.

[mvp 78]

There is no Sox reporter named McAdams.

[Emmz]

As stressful as it is to watch the Sox, what's with the Eeyore-like pessimism? You'd think we were 10 games below .500. You call yourself a fan, and you've given up on your team with so many ganes to play? This is to all the mopey whiners.

[Emmz]

Alright, I'll also say this. Maybe this is just sleep deprivation making me want to be more reasonable, but I don't think people should be run out of here because they're pessimistic, or have their fanhood questioned. I think pumpsie is clearly passionate about the team and gets stressed probably watching and hoping the team wins. I think he's excessive with the pessimism, and he almost seems to rub it in whenever a negative prediction is right, and that's a real crock, but you guys telling them to leave and censoring their voice, that's just as annoying.

 

This isn't like Muggah, where he was making unprovoked attacks on people. I haven't really seen pumpsie call anyone a "rump swab" for having an opposite opinion.