What's next for Daniel Bard?

[Palodios]

I would not be surprised to see the Red Sox trade Daniel Bard at this point. Sure, he fell apart as a starter, but there is definitely some team out there who is willing to buy him on the merits of his career. I think that there are going to be many teams who are willing to give up a good deal for a cost controlled guy with a 100 mph fastball, who could potentially be a franchise closer.

 

If the Red Sox think there is something seriously wrong with him mechanically, they could probably net enough value for a #2 starter for him-- even after such a terrible season.

[NCPack2889]

I think you're overstating how bad Sanchez was when he signed his contract, and understating how bad Bard is right now. Bard just got banished to Pawtucket. Pitchers like that aren't below average. They are bad. Bard's starter value would be likely to net him a $1 million.

[Station 13]

Bard is expected to report to AAA today and will make a short 'start' Friday. V is hinting 2 inning of work. Just air the whole fastball after one another. I remember watching David Price last year he would throw about 50 fastball for his first 60 pitches. Get a good feel for the heater and work off it.

[FredLynn]

From Daniel Bard:

 

“It’s not my decision. I’m just an employee here. Obviously, I’m not thrilled with it. If it was me making the decision it might have been different. But I tried to be respectful about it," he said. “Once I get the anger and disappointment out of the way you just have to try to make the best out of the situation.”

 

Bard and Mighty Mouth make quite a pair. It would have been better if he had accepted the fact that he needs to work on things in order to SAVE HIS CAREER, and it would have been much better if he had said nothing and owned his s***** performance to date as a SP. Here is what he should have said:

 

"I realize that my performance this year has been less than everyone expected. I take full responsibility for that and will do whatever the management feels is best for me to do in order to once again become a dominant pitcher in whatever role they feel is best for the team"

 

I really don't want to hear much more of what Daniel Bard thinks.

[Dojji]

I think he has the right to be disappointed. He got embarrassed his last start sure, but it followed 2 starts which were relatively solid -- 5.1 IP, 2 ER is acceptable for any developing starter. And 3 of his prior 4 starts had been 2 ER or less affairs

 

This looks for all the world like a knee-jerk to me. I'm really not surprised it looked like that to him.

[jung]

I was willing to give Bard all the rope in the world but he had not even been making microscopic progress up to that disastrous start. Whether he wants to admit it or not there is just to much s*** for him to work out going out there and starting ML games. I just hope he does not try to sort it all out at once in an effort to get back here faster.

 

As crazy as this is going to sound to some, I do think they intend bringing him back as a starter even with an innings cap for this year, mainly because as I had stated in earlier posts I think they have lost faith in him as a possible closer, yet think the middle relief role, even the set up role is an "if all else fails" option.

[Dojji]

I think they need to let him work on his mechanics then come back out and start another few games. The fact is that while it was ugly at times, he was still getting the job done as often as not before that one big implosion. Let him get back on the horse and see what he can learn from this. If you just scrap the experiment now, you're missing a pretty nice opportunity.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think they need to let him work on his mechanics then come back out and start another few games. The fact is that while it was ugly at times' date=' he was still getting the job done as often as not before that one big implosion. Let him get back on the horse and see what he can learn from this. If you just scrap the experiment now, you're missing a pretty nice opportunity.[/quote']

 

He was not getting the job done. He had gone 6 or more innings only 4 times in his 11 starts. That, by definition, isnt getting the job done. He was teetering on the brink and the game in Toronto tipped him over. He's gonna go to Pawtucket for 2-3 weeks, just long enough for everyone to forget that abortion of a performance and come back in the pen. Cause the pen is getting stretched a little and I think the V magic is going to be wearing off soon. They are gonna need some actual pen reinforcements and Bard can do that, so long as he finds his reliever stuff

[jacksonianmarch]

I think he has the right to be disappointed. He got embarrassed his last start sure, but it followed 2 starts which were relatively solid -- 5.1 IP, 2 ER is acceptable for any developing starter. And 3 of his prior 4 starts had been 2 ER or less affairs

 

This looks for all the world like a knee-jerk to me. I'm really not surprised it looked like that to him.

 

You like to pick the stats that suit you my friend. Lies, damn lies, and statistics! Bard walked 6 batters in those two 5.1IP starts while also allowing 10 hits and only striking out 6. That sucks. And, when you look at all his starts, he's allowed under 8 baserunners only twice. Couple that with the fact that he has gone through 6 complete only 4 times, you have a guy who puts runners on base and gets hit. THe other shoe was ready to drop and boy did it

[FredLynn]

I think he has the right to be disappointed. He got embarrassed his last start sure, but it followed 2 starts which were relatively solid -- 5.1 IP, 2 ER is acceptable for any developing starter. And 3 of his prior 4 starts had been 2 ER or less affairs

 

This looks for all the world like a knee-jerk to me. I'm really not surprised it looked like that to him.

 

He has the right to be disappointed and angry AT HIMSELF FOR SCREWING IT UP; he has no right to be disappointed at management's decision to demote him unless he thinks he did just fine out there. Then I would probably start him on Lithium. And however he feels, he should keep his mouth SHUT. No one wants to hear Daniel Bard whining about how badly he was treated.

[Elktonnick]

You like to pick the stats that suit you my friend. Lies' date=' damn lies, and statistics! Bard walked 6 batters in those two 5.1IP starts while also allowing 10 hits and only striking out 6. That sucks. And, when you look at all his starts, he's allowed under 8 baserunners only twice. Couple that with the fact that he has gone through 6 complete only 4 times, you have a guy who puts runners on base and gets hit. THe other shoe was ready to drop and boy did it[/quote']

 

I agree. Bard actually got worse if you look at all his starts since April. His attitude and mouth haven't helped. He acts as if someone owed him his starting role and it was others fault that it hasn't worked out. Unless or until he gets his head right and quits acting like the entitled spoiled prima donna he seems to have become he can stay in Pawtucket. Quite frankly I expect to see Malencon back in the bigs before Bard especially if Dice-K has a good start.

[SoxSport]

Who the heck is Bard's agent? He should be pointing him to his bread and butter--setting up as a prelude to closing. The kid has potential as a stud closer who can make big bucks. Wake up, Mr Agent.

[kapsis21]

He has the right to be disappointed and angry AT HIMSELF FOR SCREWING IT UP; he has no right to be disappointed at management's decision to demote him unless he thinks he did just fine out there. Then I would probably start him on Lithium. And however he feels' date=' he should keep his mouth SHUT. No one wants to hear Daniel Bard whining about how badly he was treated.[/quote']

 

is it me or has it become an annoying trend with all our starting pitchers showing this f***ing attitude

seriously. what is wrong with them.

Bard sucked and he is complaining. Lester is f***ing mad everytime he misses 1 pitch that doesnt go his way..

Lackey was the same way too

 

 

and the worst part is Lester knows he is better than that.

 

i think we need to get Bard out of here. take Bard/Iggy/Youk and bring Garza and a decent prospect. i have had enough of Bard.

[Station 13]

Who the heck is Bard's agent? He should be pointing him to his bread and butter--setting up as a prelude to closing. The kid has potential as a stud closer who can make big bucks. Wake up' date=' Mr Agent.[/quote']

 

It's kinda hard to watch him throw a 90 MPH get me over fastball.

 

If they wanted a starting pitcher they should just package Bard last offseason for one. There's about a dozen team lined up to have him in their bullpen. Especially following their moves to get Bailey and Melancon.

[FredLynn]

is it me or has it become an annoying trend with all our starting pitchers showing this f***ing attitude

seriously. what is wrong with them.

Bard sucked and he is complaining. Lester is f***ing mad everytime he misses 1 pitch that doesnt go his way..

Lackey was the same way too

 

 

and the worst part is Lester knows he is better than that.

 

i think we need to get Bard out of here. take Bard/Iggy/Youk and bring Garza and a decent prospect. i have had enough of Bard.

 

Unfortunately, I think that Bard's career is in serious jeopardy as a result of management's efforts to please his desire to become a SP and from the infection with the entitlement attitude that is apparently still present in the clubhouse. We all knew it would take Valentine some time to disinfect our clubhouse. Removing Bard, a cancer, is a good start to trying to resurrect what is left of his career. He will never be a starter. And the chances for him to be successful again as a setup man are highly dependent on a serious change in attitude.

[Elktonnick]

Unfortunately' date=' I think that Bard's career is in serious jeopardy as a result of management's efforts to please his desire to become a SP and from the infection with the entitlement attitude that is apparently still present in the clubhouse. We all knew it would take Valentine some time to disinfect our clubhouse. Removing Bard, a cancer, is a good start to trying to resurrect what is left of his career. He will never be a starter. And the chances for him to be successful again as a setup man are highly dependent on a serious change in attitude.[/quote']

 

What I sense is there is general agreement among knowledgeable fans to what you just posted. My question is what about this whole mess doesn't the FO and these entitled prima donna don't get.

[ibot2much]

From Daniel Bard:

 

“It’s not my decision. I’m just an employee here. Obviously, I’m not thrilled with it. If it was me making the decision it might have been different. But I tried to be respectful about it," he said. “Once I get the anger and disappointment out of the way you just have to try to make the best out of the situation.”

 

 

I saw this quote this morning....he really did not help his image with this whine. You sucked Dan so now try to get it back, but don't tell us how angry you are.

[mvp 78]

Bard is now a cancer along with Beckett, Lester, Buch, Ortiz, and Youk. Am I missing anyone?

 

Funny how only "knowledgable fans" agree with your take. Obviously, anyone who doesn't agree is clearly a dunce.

[kapsis21]

Bard is now a cancer along with Beckett, Lester, Buch, Ortiz, and Youk. Am I missing anyone?

 

Funny how only "knowledgable fans" agree with your take. Obviously, anyone who doesn't agree is clearly a dunce.

 

Ortiz and Youk????? oh and you forgot the trounce clown Lackey

[mvp 78]

Ortiz and Youk????? oh and you forgot the trounce clown Lackey

 

That goes without saying.

 

Damn you Ben the Boob!

[Elktonnick]

Bard is now a cancer along with Beckett, Lester, Buch, Ortiz, and Youk. Am I missing anyone?

 

Funny how only "knowledgable fans" agree with your take. Obviously, anyone who doesn't agree is clearly a dunce.

 

Do you disagree with that assessment of Bard?

[Bellhorn04]

Do you disagree with that assessment of Bard?

 

Bard's comments about being angry and disappointed hardly qualify him as insubordinate or a cancer. If he doesn't go to Pawtucket and work hard there, that would be a different story.

[VA Sox Fan]

Bard's comments about being angry and disappointed hardly qualify him as insubordinate or a cancer. If he doesn't go to Pawtucket and work hard there' date=' that would be a different story.[/quote']

 

Thank you!

[Dojji]

Do you disagree with that assessment of Bard?

 

I sure do. But you knew that.

 

This is 100% about people's perception that Bard should have been in the pen and closing all along. If it had anything to do with the actual qualifications to do the job, the most you could justify is a certain guarded pessimism. This is a panic move.

 

Matusz' meltdown against us the other day was nearly as bad as Bard's. I would put money down Matusz will be out there in his next appointed turn, with some pointers in his throw day to correct the problem. That's what you do with a project starter who is struggling a bit and has a terrible outing. You don't throw up your hands, grab the guy by the collar and hurl him bodily into the bullpen the first time he fails to go 5+. That is nonsense however you want to spin it.

[VA Sox Fan]

I sure do. But you knew that.

 

This is 100% about people's perception that Bard should have been in the pen and closing all along. If it had anything to do with the actual qualifications to do the job, the most you could justify is a certain guarded pessimism. This is a panic move.

 

Matusz' meltdown against us the other day was nearly as bad as Bard's. I would put money down Matusz will be out there in his next appointed turn, with some pointers in his throw day to correct the problem. That's what you do with a project starter who is struggling a bit and has a terrible outing. You don't throw up your hands, grab the guy by the collar and hurl him bodily into the bullpen the first time he fails to go 5+. That is nonsense however you want to spin it.

 

I have to disagree w/ Matusz' meltdown being nearly as bad as Bard's. I don't recall any of our players being afraid to come to the plate for fear of getting nailed by a wild pitcher.

[Elktonnick]

Thank you!

 

He may be an insubordinate. He may be one of the cancers on this pitching staff as bad as Lackey, ( I think he is.) What we do know for sure is that his performance as a starter was unacceptable at the major league level. What we do know for sure is that he is whining about his situation. What we also do know for sure is that he refuses to accept responsibilty for his situation but is blaming others. What we do know is that he is in danger of losing a career. What we also know is that his public attitude is not winning him a lot of sympathy from most fans and analysts who watch this team closely. Now he can reverse that. We'll see if he does.

[VA Sox Fan]

He may be an insubordinate. He may be one of the cancers on this pitching staff as bad as Lackey' date=' ( I think he is.) What we do know for sure is that his performance as a starter was unacceptable at the major league level. What we do know for sure is that he is whining about his situation. What we also do know for sure is that he refuses to accept responsibilty for his situation but is blaming others. What we do know is that he is in danger of losing a career. What we also know is that his public attitude is not winning him a lot of sympathy from most fans and analysts who watch this team closely. [b']Now he can reverse that. We'll see if he does[/b].

 

I agree with the bolded part.

 

I never wanted him to be a starter but hoped for the best. He needs to get his head straight with regard to several aspects, confidence and maturity being the most important IMO.

[Elktonnick]

I agree with the bolded part.

 

I never wanted him to be a starter but hoped for the best. He needs to get his head straight with regard to several aspects, confidence and maturity being the most important IMO.

 

In order to to agree with bolded part (i.e. he can reverse that) one has to agree with that which preceded it.

[Elktonnick]

I sure do. But you knew that.

 

This is 100% about people's perception that Bard should have been in the pen and closing all along. If it had anything to do with the actual qualifications to do the job, the most you could justify is a certain guarded pessimism. This is a panic move.

 

Matusz' meltdown against us the other day was nearly as bad as Bard's. I would put money down Matusz will be out there in his next appointed turn, with some pointers in his throw day to correct the problem. That's what you do with a project starter who is struggling a bit and has a terrible outing. You don't throw up your hands, grab the guy by the collar and hurl him bodily into the bullpen the first time he fails to go 5+. That is nonsense however you want to spin it.

 

Matusz had several years as a starter so the other night was an anomaly for this year. But clearly you don't know Matusz's record. In 2011, he got 6 starts and finished with a 1-4 record with an ERA above 7.00 before being demoted to Triple-A Norfolk on July 1 to work on his velocity. Sounds very similar to Bard. I can assure you that if Matusz continues to pitch like he did the other night, he'll be back on the bus to Norfolk. Showalter doesn't screw around.

[redsoxrules]

I sure do. But you knew that.

 

This is 100% about people's perception that Bard should have been in the pen and closing all along. If it had anything to do with the actual qualifications to do the job, the most you could justify is a certain guarded pessimism. This is a panic move.

 

Matusz' meltdown against us the other day was nearly as bad as Bard's. I would put money down Matusz will be out there in his next appointed turn, with some pointers in his throw day to correct the problem. That's what you do with a project starter who is struggling a bit and has a terrible outing. You don't throw up your hands, grab the guy by the collar and hurl him bodily into the bullpen the first time he fails to go 5+. That is nonsense however you want to spin it.

 

Bard's been awfull with command since the season has started .

His BB/9 is over 6 for christ sakes .

 

This being sent down didn't happen because of a few bad start its because he's been sucking all year and is showing NO improvement yet.